Re: The Final One (F1) - Bachelorette 9 - Spoilers - Thread #3

[nannymargie]

Judiful, I hate to say it but I go to bed thinking about this show and wake up wanting to get on line to see if there is anything new. I don't do reality shows (is that what this is?!?) but with this one I'm hooked. I really do have a full life but I feel like this show has taken over the past few weeks. Is there a 12 step program for Des and Brooks? I hate TPTB, I feel manipulated and used...imagine how Des feels! I saw the magazine cover with Des being engaged and I poured myself a glass of wine...and it's not even 3:00 in the afternoon. I will be better on August 5th but until then I am addicted! 

You are not alone in your addiction. You have plenty of company me included.

[Rolly]

Also let me add, I have watched the Brooks' HTD twice today and it was just about as perfect a HTD that there could be. He's THE ONE !!!

[KCCasey]

Judiful, I was thinking the same thing, but in my scenario Brooks leaves early, not sure about his feelings. She takes Chris and Drew to finale, but she lets Drew go early (on the beach), and takes Chris to the proposal but changes her mind (dressed up sc in limo) in the end, deciding not to settle. She thinks the show is over and Brooks shows up to sweep her off her feet, referencing the conversation with his sister and how he can't live without Des. And that would be a surprise ending. If I were writing it, that's how I would script it, not that this is scripted or anything.

[Guest]

Brooks is F1. I think so.   No amount of naysaying has managed to knock me off the hill yet. I kind of wish they could, but alas, I get to be jealous that Des has Brooks.

[MaggieBach]

Life and Style says it's between Brooks and Drew.

It can't be. There are so many previews of Chris, it's unbelievable that he goes home any sooner than f2.

Chris got the most tv time this season.

I am starting to think it is Drew and Brooks as well, but I can't recall all of the sleuthing about Chris with two suits (and if there is proof that one of the suits is actually from Antigua). Has it been proven that the horseback ride is actually his date? Could it be Drew?

Here's my latest theory on what happens (and it changes daily).

TPTB got together and said, "We need to add some DRAMA and TWISTS to this very obvious Des-Brooks love story.  I know, let's show Des openly declaring her love at CH talks which we have never SHOWN before, but add the DOUBT and DRAMA.  How can we do that? Let's bring Nate to LA to tape a foreshadowing. Nate's tweet sounded like he may have been surprised he was asked to go to LA.  He is there in the afternoon and declares, "I'd like to get into their heads." TPTB then tape that odd SC with CH walking a Stunt Man through the lobby of the BHH while Nate lurks. Someone said that Nate was actually gone before the guys arrived for the RC. They wanted us to think it is Brooks.

On to Antigua:

All three men have a FD, but we don't see Brooks on purpose. (Millsy tweets that Drew's is the steamiest of the three)

Des stays at St. Annes Point where they hold the RC. She is emotional, but that is not unusual for this far along in the process, knowing that she has to hurt someone (maybe Chris).

We see two pics, but there are actually three (from a design standpoint, it would make sense to have 3 in a triangle - two upper and one lower). If there were only 2 photos, they would likely be side by side). We don't see Brooks photo in the shot.

She is emotional at the RC, but lets Chris goes. He exits in the Limo.

Des moves from St. Annes Point to the Verandah for the rest of the filming.

Brooks is sleeping and is awakened in the morning (early light at front door/messed-up hair/not ready for date) by NATE!!  Nate tells Brooks that his sister is over the moon for him and is expecting a proposal. Nate (goaded by TPTB) tells Brooks that he must tell Des the truth about how he feels and his hesitation over a proposal.

Brooks is in the Limo going to meet Des and tell her this.  He is teary-eyed (but his beard is not too heavy) because he is emotional after his talk with Nate and what he needs to tell Des (perhaps the VO of telling her the truth about how he feels that we heard at some point).

When they are greeting at the Verandah (which Des has moved to and hence why they would meet there), Brooks' eyes look hesitant and not totally joyful as they do on other greetings.

They walk to the pier and have the talk.  Obviously at the beginning, Des is oblivious because TPTB told her Brooks wants to talk to you (not a scheduled date). Brooks tells her he is hesitant about the proposal. She is crushed.

Des goes back to her room at the Verandah and tapes an emotional PI about wanting to go home (We see this same setting in 3 other PIs - likely from the next few days of filming; however, this shot is the ONLY one where the candles are placed differently).

TPTB tape her walking down the pier and sitting.  However, this is not her walking away from Brooks because they are already at the end of the pier and according to the Verandah website, they only have one pier. This is at some other point for filming purposes.

In the meantime, Brooks is pacing on the grounds of the Verandah and having a meltdown. However, we know that Des comes back to him because if you look at the photos of her wiping her eyes with Brooks nearby, she is not on the Pier.  I think if you lighten one of the SC, you can see the paved path in the corner and shadows of tree foliage.  Finally, we have the SC of him hugging her where is beard is quite heavy.

I don't think he ever leaves.  They just have one day of Twists and Turns.

Drew and Brooks have MTP and LCD.

Des then kindly decides to let Drew go before the FRC. She is consoling him, tells him that she can 100% FEEL for him (because she has been there in Sean's season).  

Brooks decides to propose after all because he realizes, "I LOVE DES"

[Fleurdesel]

Judiful, I was thinking the same thing, but in my scenario Brooks leaves early, not sure about his feelings. She takes Chris and Drew to finale, but she lets Drew go early (on the beach), and takes Chris to the proposal but changes her mind (dressed up sc in limo) in the end, deciding not to settle. She thinks the show is over and Brooks shows up to sweep her off her feet, referencing the conversation with his sister and how he can't live without Des. And that would be a surprise ending. If I were writing it, that's how I would script it, not that this is scripted or anything.

Welcome KCCasay!  I think in a nutshell it's what we will most probably see and we have some SC to prove it, Brooks leaves early (FD), Chris & Drew to MTP & LCD but Drew will leave (LDC Beach date) at what would of been F3 position (Chris F2 at FRC and Brooks coming back is F1)...I would just hope that Brooks gets to meet Des' parents (and brother...), knowing how important family is to him before becoming engaged! :Smiley:

[Nativenewyorker]

I took it as a joke when she said "you are my favorite". I say that to all my kids. Are we really critiquing her parenting skills?  Seems like she did a HEELUVA job!  9 kids. Single mom. I'd lose my freaking mind.

I want to be clear : i'm not critiquing her parenting skills, i'm trying to find explanations. We all have issues and nobody's perfect ! 
So i'm trying to figure out why a guy coming to date TV show has problem with commitment. The TV show is maybe the solution for him.

That statement is too general. You've surmised after what little you've seen and heard of Brooks that he has a problem with commitment. We can't judge his fear of commitment based on a reality show where contestants are expected to fall in love with the lead in a matter of months after spending approximately 7 days with them all together.

Well basically that IS the premise of the show. 10 weeks and you're done.

If that is too fast then its not the show for you to find forever happiness . Yeah right, most of them go on for adventure, to promote their business or themselves. Some end up falling in love either with the lead or by themselves . Brooks is not an exception just because he is the spoiled F1.
Perhaps he does not have a general fear of commitment but just this particular one. His mother did clue him in after all. And what she said made perfect sense.

Yes, the premise of this show is that the contestants are supposed to fall in love after ten weeks.  They know this going in.  If there are any doubts about readiness for a life long commitment, then this would not be the right show for that person.  

It is quite possible that he simply is not sure about Des.  Or he could just not be ready to make that kind of commitment.  

As far as generalizing about Brooks or anyone else, none of us know any of these guys. We can only go by what we see.  That doesn't mean that we are not free to come to our conclusions.

[nannymargie]

Life and Style says it's between Brooks and Drew.

It can't be. There are so many previews of Chris, it's unbelievable that he goes home any sooner than f2.

Chris got the most tv time this season.

I am starting to think it is Drew and Brooks as well, but I can't recall all of the sleuthing about Chris with two suits (and if there is proof that one of the suits is actually from Antigua). Has it been proven that the horseback ride is actually his date? Could it be Drew?

Here's my latest theory on what happens (and it changes daily).

TPTB got together and said, "We need to add some DRAMA and TWISTS to this very obvious Des-Brooks love story.  I know, let's show Des openly declaring her love at CH talks which we have never SHOWN before, but add the DOUBT and DRAMA.  How can we do that? Let's bring Nate to LA to tape a foreshadowing. Nate's tweet sounded like he may have been surprised he was asked to go to LA.  He is there in the afternoon and declares, "I'd like to get into their heads." TPTB then tape that odd SC with CH walking a Stunt Man through the lobby of the BHH while Nate lurks. Someone said that Nate was actually gone before the guys arrived for the RC. They wanted us to think it is Brooks.

On to Antigua:

All three men have a FD, but we don't see Brooks on purpose. (Millsy tweets that Drew's is the steamiest of the three)

Des stays at St. Annes Point where they hold the FRC. She is emotional, but that is not unusual for this far along in the process, knowing that she has to hurt someone (maybe Chris).

We see two pics, but there are actually three (from a design standpoint, it would make sense to have 3 in a triangle - two upper and one lower). If there were only 2 photos, they would likely be side by side). We don't see Brooks photo in the shot.

She is emotional at the RC, but lets Chris goes. He exits in the Limo.

Des moves from St. Annes Point to the Verandah for the rest of the filming.

Brooks is sleeping and is awakened in the morning (early light at front door/messed-up hair/not ready for date) by NATE!!  Nate tells Brooks that his sister is over the moon for him and is expecting a proposal. Nate (goaded by TPTB) tells Brooks that he must tell Des the truth about how he feels and his hesitation over a proposal.

Brooks is in the Limo going to meet Des and tell her this.  He is teary-eyed (but his beard is not too heavy) because he is emotional after his talk with Nate and what he needs to tell Des (perhaps the VO of telling her the truth about how he feels that we heard at some point).

When they are greeting at the Verandah (which Des has moved to and hence why they would meet there), Brooks' eyes look hesitant and not totally joyful as they do on other greetings.

They walk to the pier and have the talk.  Obviously at the beginning, Des is oblivious because TPTB told her Brooks wants to talk to you (not a scheduled date). Brooks tells her he is hesitant about the proposal. She is crushed.

Des goes back to her room at the Verandah and tapes an emotional PI about wanting to go home (We see this same setting in 3 other PIs - likely from the next few days of filming; however, this shot is the ONLY one where the candles are placed differently).

TPTB tape her walking down the pier and sitting.  However, this is not her walking away from Brooks because they are already at the end of the pier and according to the Verandah website, they only have one pier. This is at some other point for filming purposes.

In the meantime, Brooks is pacing on the grounds of the Verandah and having a meltdown. However, we know that Des comes back to him because if you look at the photos of her wiping her eyes with Brooks nearby, she is not on the Pier.  I think if you lighten one of the SC, you can see the paved path in the corner and shadows of tree foliage.  Finally, we have the SC of him hugging her where is beard is quite heavy.

I don't think he ever leaves.  They just have one day of Twists and Turns.

Drew and Brooks have MTP and LCD.

Des then kindly decides to let Drew go before the FRC. She is consoling him, tells him that she can 100% FEEL for him (because she has been there in Sean's season).  

Brooks decides to propose after all because he realizes, "I LOVE DES"

Ok Maggie I am going by your script.....Love how that all plays out and would love it to if it would go that way.

[Guest]

The biggest thing I look at when it comes to this season is the storyline. I'm a writer, so, well, I look at the story and the "characters." Other things are nice little clues, but altogether, it's all about a story. Some years TPTB probably don't have much of a story, or a very intriguing one to tell, but this one is intriguing, and I believe that's why they consider it the best season yet and Des the best lead and the guys the best bunch of guys. This story has a lot of emotion and depth that most Bachelorette seasons don't.

The main line in the story IS Des' love for Brooks. He gets the first date. It's a beauty of a date. Brooks look like a romantic figure and you can already tell that Des is smitten with him. Almost love at first sight. Why else would Brooks even GET the first date. She must've indicated she was very attracted to him. She probably loved his personality immediately, and his looks.

The story then switches up to others guys. You've got to give all the other guys time. And that's exactly how it feels. They're just giving all the other guys their due time. Meanwhile, Brooks is kept in the background, never completely ignored. They always swing in for his reaction, or manage to catch some interaction between him and Des. They don't really do that with the other guys.

Brooks forced them to highlight him during the Dodgeball game. He stole the show.  They also highlighted Drew saying silly things (I actually thought Drew was quirky and funny this episode.)

Brooks runs off with Des' heart to the hospital, where they actually spend time watching him, even when he's passed out. They never bothered to look in on Ames or really any of the other contestants who got shipped off for a minute. That's because Des' romantic figure was in the hospital.

Then, unlike any of the other times, Des couldn't stop talking about and worrying about Brooks. She even made the guys toast to Brooks. Then cue the "hero returns" music, Brooks comes back with his finger sticking in the air, looking all sweaty and delirious, still dressed for Dodgeball, and comes back in, running in the background with a grin on his face, making all the other guys go "oh, brother, do we ever get rid of him?"

Chris even says so. "Darn, that Brooks. He's so good. So smooth." What? He just came back from the hospital. Did you expect him to stay there all night?

Then Des is all happy and wants to go talk with him immediately. He looks like he's not quite there, doesn't want sympathy for his finger, and kisses her because she has nothing of importance to say and he probably can't think straight.

They highlight him during Mr. America, too, making sure to show his talent and his runway walk.  Plus, all the other times they zero in on Brooks. Now if they hadn't been doing all that zeroing in, I would've noticed. I would've worried. But they never forgot about Brooks for long.  

Then he finally gets another kiss and a rose, finally, in the igloo. In fact, she shuts him up. And he happens to see James kissing and it makes him jealous. And another time you see them talking, all wound up, and she sits between his legs, just throwing herself at him.

CUE MOOD IN THE ROOM CHANGE

We get different editing from any of the earlier shows. It's like it's taken on a more somber twist. Then you get his second, long-awaited 1v1, and all of a sudden Brooks is pensive and unsure and Des is starry-eyed and confessing love for Brooks. Brooks looks a little . . . behind. Ruh-roh. The other dates don't have that heaviness to it. Drew is getting competitive, though. He MUST tell Des he loves her first. NO, Chris must tell her he loves her first! NO, Zac must. He must win more time with her. Brooks just looks a little out in left field and unsure. Dramatic preview to blow one's mind. What the freak happens? We all ask . . .

HTDs. Brooks gets the last one to cap the night.

Zac's is great. Shows him fun-loving and zany, with a lot of energy and total belief in Desiree. You just KNOW Zac is doomed by what he does, like that very heavy song they sing for her, and then that ring.

Drew's date is for the philanthropist. It's about being a good person, loving people, acceptance, belief, very deep subjects. It shows Drew as a very good person, very deep, with a little bit of a naive view of his relationship with Des. Of course, you've seen that all along and how it's kind of forced. You do see she thinks he's so cute, and that physical attraction can be a tricky bugger to distinguish from real love, sometimes.

Chris' date starts out great. It is mostly about Chris. They act mostly like friends. And, then, for some reason, they drop the hammer on Chris. They show some really bizarre stuff. It may not be bizarre, but the way they do it is so jarring. They just seem to be throwing Chris under the bus, so, that's where he sits in your mind.

Brooks' entrance is perfect and their meeting beautiful. The date is beautiful, filled with memories. She's taken time to list all her favorite moments. He comments about ducks. He's getting his humor back. Brooks about dumps them in with the duck doo to get a kiss from her. His family are very admirable and normal and Des loves them. They accept Des. They even push Brooks aside to envelope her and Des is all, ahh, don't be mean to Brooks. Des has a good talk with Brooks' mom. Brooks has a good talk with his sis, bros and mom, who gives him her blessing if that's what he wants, and he sits there, looking very rapt as they tell him how he can know if he's in love and what they think of Des and what they told Des about him. Brooks looks a little confused and thunderstruck. Everyone thinks Brooks is still having a hard time. He's processing things.

Then, whammy, they remind people that Des loves Brooks. The others ALMOST make her think twice. She has yet to really mention Drew. She mentions Chris more than Drew. But then when you think she's still right where she is, she adds a new whammy and says she wants a proposal—from Brooks! Really? You think, can you say this on the Bachelorette? This show is making you feel like you're in the Twilight Zone.

You just know, know that something's going to happen with Brooks. Then another preview that in its way, with its quietness, seems even more foreboding and final than the previous crazy one. Brooks fans begin to worry.

What are they saying in the previews? That's the big question for the average viewer. It looks like Chris and Drew have fun. It looks like Brooks has something heavy to talk about. All you ever see of Brooks is walking along the beach, talking with Des, saying things that have a finality about them. There's a big BUT in them. "You know I love these things about you", or whatever it is he says. BUT? She starts out happy to see him and ends up crying, which makes all Brooks and Des fans sad.

You remember the other preview and how it looked like Drew was going home. But then it was Brooks you see in the limo. And Chris. Someone has a ring. Brooks opens his door. Brooks is pacing in the trees and crying. He is saying "This is the worst day of my life". Distraught. "There's nothing I can say." Limo ride with red eyes. Des just looking defeated and sad from then on out. Shockingly, she doesn't want to do this anymore. She just wants to go home. They make it look like Drew is the catalyst for everything and that even Brooks is affected. By why is Brooks the one they come back to, the same scene, wandering around the trees. And then why do they end with Brooks sobbing, close-up, and her just saying she wants to go home? To be continued?

The storyline of this show has been abut Brooks and Des. Did the fallen romantic figure go home? They show that Chris and Drew are having fun dates, and Brooks seems to be calling it quits. The darkness is scary. Is it a tale of two halves? A new dawn. A knight in shining armor coming to the rescue? Or, does the hero come back, like he did once before? This time with some new knowledge and understanding?

I wish I knew Brooks well and could shake it out of him somehow!

[atem]

Nope, that doesn't work at all. The FRC is at the Verandah, not St Annes. The F3 RC is at St Annes.

Chris has a LCD and we are 100% sure that's Drew on the horse.

[brittany4400]

Nope, that doesn't work at all.  The FRC is at the Verandah, not St Annes.  The F3 RC is at St Annes.

Chris has a LCD and we are 100% sure that's Drew on the horse.  

Atem, do u agree the screencaps say drew and chris both has lcd's? We know that Chris for sure did, unless they did a helicopter and boat date all in one day(not happening). Also chris is seen at two different rc with two different suits? How in the world if brooks if f1 then can drew be f2? If people are claiming drew is f2 then chris has to be f1! What is being speculated can not fit with the screencaps.

[latergator]

i've been watching the HTD's over and over and I think the producers have given us some insight on Brooks as F1, but it's very subtle.  in the second part of Brooks and Des date while walking down the incline towards the home:
 
Brooks... are you ready?
Desiree... I am ready.
Brooks... it's gonna be a big explosion of excitement
Des... an explosion?
Brooks... it's gonna be like Ahhhh, (lifting his arm holding the wine bottle and waving it) [reminded me of Des' description of when Brooks kisses her]
Brooks talks in a PI about what an amazing day it has been and that he is nervous for tonight.  He just wants everything to go well.
they kiss outside the door and he says
Brooks... you'll do perfect
Brooks... ok, let's go
Des... ok

even in the first part of the date at the park, they talked about how she is willing to take chances, and that even tho it was romantic it might get scary (the fireworks at the fort, standing together, kissing and the fireworks right there in their faces), and that he loves that about Des.  he speaks of that same type of thing to his brothers and he tells them that there are the little nuances of a relationship there, and it feels like a relationship, then when asked if Des could hang with him and he said she definitely can... she's spontaneous, fun loving, out going, sarcastic, witty and she looks for the best in people and that he feels that this is where they meet on the same page, and then he said, "what I see in her, she sees in me".  Then they bring in brother Dave's question about if she was gone totally, out of the picture could he possibly live without her.  They do cut off his answer, but there is a very subtle beginning of a head shake no.

I firmly believe, without a doubt that they are both ready... for any explosion no matter how scary it gets... that they will be there for each other. and that in the end Desiree will "do perfect" with her choice... and that Brooks will say "ok, let's go"... and Des will answer with "ok".

some of my ramblings this rainy afternoon... just go on talking amongst yourselves :whistle:

eta: I forgot to add the part where Brooks and his mom are talking and he talks about the show and how he has grown, even letting those walls around his heart down, but it's still scary to get your heart broke.  mom tells him about Des asking if he would be ready for marriage, and she said that stuff about "yes, if he found the right girl", and Brooks says "yeah".  then mom asks if he is there yet, and Brooks replies "yeah, and what's interesting about this is I feel closer to this than I ever have". then he goes on to say how the show has been so good for him, leading him to self awareness and what he wants, "allowing him to put himself in a vulnerable space in order to fall in love".  

back off to my corner for now :whistle:

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