Re: The Final One (F1) - Bachelorette 9 - Spoilers - Thread #3

[nannymargie]

Another thought on slow and steady gets the girl:
All of the F4 have been relatively steady at some point.
Zak came on too strong but has been slow and steady since his initial entrance.
Drew is slow and steady for sure but it appears he is about to pick up the pace.
Chris is the most consistent slow and steady.
Brooks wants to be slow and steady and Des won't let him!  

So true.

Brooks IS the slow and steady. Look how he was chronicled his feelings. Talks about I like where this is going, I'm feeing more emotionally involved, I'm I'm a good place now with Des. Again in Madeira, I' m glad that this is happening. He's jogging. Not walking or even skipping. He's jogging which is even better. He's not running yet because of the family factor and he's very aware of the other guys who are left. Des fell quickly so I think it's great that cooler heads prevailed to dig deeper into the relationship. Set it's roots deeper. Those deep roots might be what anchors them when and if turmoil arises. I think it's what brings Des and Brooks back together if they part within this show.

Here I go again agreeing with you Barb...   

Ok then. From now on I will be saying....Nannymargie and I feel.... 

          :bigsmile: 

[Guest]

Bachelorette35 on jokersupdate suggested that Des might have taken all 3 men to FDs and MTPs... Hmmmmmm, interesting!
Discuss.

I'm not understanding why tptb would hide all the SCs of Brooks' FD.  That makes no sense whatsoever.  So I really think that Brooks did not get a FD, MTP, or LCD.  And, if Brooks returned, it was most likely at the FRC.

So would that mean no RC to cut from 3 to 2? Their storyline is Brooks leaving so hiding possible FD and LCD is necessary if that was the case. It would ruin their plot to show Brooks having dates. If he did. Having no one cut from RC could also be a point of contention with Brooks or the guys too. Could make him doubt moving forward. I say Brooks meets Des' parents at a separate time.

I say that everything, all the dates, the whole show and its usual timetable and schedule goes absolutely haywire and Des makes up all the rules at the end.

[Guest]

Bachelorette35 on jokersupdate suggested that Des might have taken all 3 men to FDs and MTPs... Hmmmmmm, interesting!
Discuss.

Totally. And Drew could somehow know about it and have a problem with it. Or, Brooks could find out about it and have a problem with it. The jealousy twist.

[Nativenewyorker]

Just wanted to post that this may be my favorite F3 ever.  Each guy, while different, is really, really special.  Truly believe Des would be lucky to wind up with any of the remaining men.

Still, at this point in the show, I would choose Chris or Drew for Des.  Chris and Drew have stated openly that they are falling for her and are there for her.  She’s said repeatedly that her MO is to love the guy more than he loves her, so this is a big issue for her (was for me too).  I believe both Chris and Drew - that they would love her without hesitation or reservation.  I think the video of her crying in the red dress will likely be very significant.  Probably willing to wager, whoever she’s crying about will be her F1.

Spoilers aside, at this point in the show, and in spite of what Des has declared, I think the worst choice for her would be Brooks.  Don’t misunderstand, I think Brooks is a great guy, and within the parameters of the show, also feel he is totally reasonable to want to proceed slowly to be sure of his feelings, etc… But for Des to throw herself into the relationship where there is such a disparity of feelings (and yes, I’ve done this too) in my experience, is a recipe for disaster.

Of course, the most important and seemingly dramatic stuff is yet to come… so we’ll just have to sit and wait for more information.    Can’t wait!!!!

I don't think there's a " disparity" between Des and Brooks. He said jogging she said running . He's only a step or so behind. I think the real disparity is her feelings towards the other two. I think that gap is bigger. Should she settle then if that was the case?

Definitely not settle; that's also recipe for disaster.  My personal experience has been that true love only came when I was willing to open my heart and see the true beauty in someone I might have rejected for a number of 'logical' reasons earlier in my life.  So of course, this is my experience and POV... I personally see 'Brooks is just not that into her....'  So the story can proceed in one of a number of ways, including.  1. Brooks will step up to the plate, declare his love and they will live happily ever after 2. Brooks will not step up to the plate and she will recognize that Chris/Drew offers her what she really needs or 3. Brooks will not step up to the plate and she will walk away alone.  Again, spoilers aside, we'll just have to wait and see...

Sue,

I appreciate you clarifying your thoughts here. I agree that settling is definitely a recipe for disaster. No one should ever settle. I also relate to your own personal experience in realizing that it's important to keep one's heart open to see someone who might not be someone that you would have considered. I think that is one sign of real maturity.

At this point in time with the edit, they are showing Brooks as not as into Des as she is into him. That's what I see. We know that the edit can be skewed to throw us off many times. Some have said that Brooks is a thinker and is taking his time. However, with this process in which time is compressed due to the nature of the show, it's not always possible to have the space to take one's time.

I like your three scenarios and at this point, any of them are possible. Even with the spoiler info, I like to consider other possibilities and keep my mind open.

[ImeldaMarcos]

Just wanted to post that this may be my favorite F3 ever.  Each guy, while different, is really, really special.  Truly believe Des would be lucky to wind up with any of the remaining men.

Still, at this point in the show, I would choose Chris or Drew for Des.  Chris and Drew have stated openly that they are falling for her and are there for her.  She’s said repeatedly that her MO is to love the guy more than he loves her, so this is a big issue for her (was for me too).  I believe both Chris and Drew - that they would love her without hesitation or reservation.  I think the video of her crying in the red dress will likely be very significant.  Probably willing to wager, whoever she’s crying about will be her F1.

Spoilers aside, at this point in the show, and in spite of what Des has declared, I think the worst choice for her would be Brooks.  Don’t misunderstand, I think Brooks is a great guy, and within the parameters of the show, also feel he is totally reasonable to want to proceed slowly to be sure of his feelings, etc… But for Des to throw herself into the relationship where there is such a disparity of feelings (and yes, I’ve done this too) in my experience, is a recipe for disaster.

Of course, the most important and seemingly dramatic stuff is yet to come… so we’ll just have to sit and wait for more information.    Can’t wait!!!!

I don't think there's a " disparity" between Des and Brooks. He said jogging she said running . He's only a step or so behind. I think the real disparity is her feelings towards the other two. I think that gap is bigger. Should she settle then if that was the case?

Definitely not settle; that's also recipe for disaster.  My personal experience has been that true love only came when I was willing to open my heart and see the true beauty in someone I might have rejected for a number of 'logical' reasons earlier in my life.  So of course, this is my experience and POV... I personally see 'Brooks is just not that into her....'  So the story can proceed in one of a number of ways, including.  1. Brooks will step up to the plate, declare his love and they will live happily ever after 2. Brooks will not step up to the plate and she will recognize that Chris/Drew offers her what she really needs or 3. Brooks will not step up to the plate and she will walk away alone.  Again, spoilers aside, we'll just have to wait and see...

Or she could settle for Chris or Drew because they love HER and wake up 30 years down the road with regret that she did not wait for the one she loved the most who loved her right back. If Brooks is not all in...she should walk away alone. You can waste your youth with settling and live with regret or love yourself enough to never, ever settle.

[Guest]

Just wanted to post that this may be my favorite F3 ever.  Each guy, while different, is really, really special.  Truly believe Des would be lucky to wind up with any of the remaining men.

Still, at this point in the show, I would choose Chris or Drew for Des.  Chris and Drew have stated openly that they are falling for her and are there for her.  She’s said repeatedly that her MO is to love the guy more than he loves her, so this is a big issue for her (was for me too).  I believe both Chris and Drew - that they would love her without hesitation or reservation.  I think the video of her crying in the red dress will likely be very significant.  Probably willing to wager, whoever she’s crying about will be her F1.

Spoilers aside, at this point in the show, and in spite of what Des has declared, I think the worst choice for her would be Brooks.  Don’t misunderstand, I think Brooks is a great guy, and within the parameters of the show, also feel he is totally reasonable to want to proceed slowly to be sure of his feelings, etc… But for Des to throw herself into the relationship where there is such a disparity of feelings (and yes, I’ve done this too) in my experience, is a recipe for disaster.

Of course, the most important and seemingly dramatic stuff is yet to come… so we’ll just have to sit and wait for more information.    Can’t wait!!!!

I don't think there's a " disparity" between Des and Brooks. He said jogging she said running . He's only a step or so behind. I think the real disparity is her feelings towards the other two. I think that gap is bigger. Should she settle then if that was the case?

Definitely not settle; that's also recipe for disaster.  My personal experience has been that true love only came when I was willing to open my heart and see the true beauty in someone I might have rejected for a number of 'logical' reasons earlier in my life.  So of course, this is my experience and POV... I personally see 'Brooks is just not that into her....'  So the story can proceed in one of a number of ways, including.  1. Brooks will step up to the plate, declare his love and they will live happily ever after 2. Brooks will not step up to the plate and she will recognize that Chris/Drew offers her what she really needs or 3. Brooks will not step up to the plate and she will walk away alone.  Again, spoilers aside, we'll just have to wait and see...

Or she could settle for Chris or Drew because they love HER and wake up 30 years down the road with regret that she did not wait for the one she loved the most who loved her right back. If Brooks is not all in...she should walk away alone. You can waste your youth with settling and live with regret or love yourself enough to never, ever settle.

I agree.

[Nativenewyorker]

While I trust the 4 (or 5) different sources of the information given us, nothing at all seems to add up to that ending. Not a thing.

That makes it really hard to see the finish line as clearly as some here who have been prone to 'filling in the blanks' easily. I take things at face value and deal with facts rather than imagined scenarios, somewhat like weaving a fairy tale.

What I see on the screen each week does not match with what the general consensus on the boards are.
I have been wrong in reading the F1 before - I just did not see it but "saw" it after the fact and am fully prepared to change my opinion after the show is done when I see the happy couple in love and trying to making a go of it.

Till then I will question and enjoy  what I see. I do believe at this stage of the game, Des herself does not see things clearly either.

nd,

You really summed up exactly how I am approaching this season and how I approach all of them.

Well said!

 

[SueSt]

Just wanted to post that this may be my favorite F3 ever.  Each guy, while different, is really, really special.  Truly believe Des would be lucky to wind up with any of the remaining men.

Still, at this point in the show, I would choose Chris or Drew for Des.  Chris and Drew have stated openly that they are falling for her and are there for her.  She’s said repeatedly that her MO is to love the guy more than he loves her, so this is a big issue for her (was for me too).  I believe both Chris and Drew - that they would love her without hesitation or reservation.  I think the video of her crying in the red dress will likely be very significant.  Probably willing to wager, whoever she’s crying about will be her F1.

Spoilers aside, at this point in the show, and in spite of what Des has declared, I think the worst choice for her would be Brooks.  Don’t misunderstand, I think Brooks is a great guy, and within the parameters of the show, also feel he is totally reasonable to want to proceed slowly to be sure of his feelings, etc… But for Des to throw herself into the relationship where there is such a disparity of feelings (and yes, I’ve done this too) in my experience, is a recipe for disaster.

Of course, the most important and seemingly dramatic stuff is yet to come… so we’ll just have to sit and wait for more information.    Can’t wait!!!!

I don't think there's a " disparity" between Des and Brooks. He said jogging she said running . He's only a step or so behind. I think the real disparity is her feelings towards the other two. I think that gap is bigger. Should she settle then if that was the case?

Definitely not settle; that's also recipe for disaster.  My personal experience has been that true love only came when I was willing to open my heart and see the true beauty in someone I might have rejected for a number of 'logical' reasons earlier in my life.  So of course, this is my experience and POV... I personally see 'Brooks is just not that into her....'  So the story can proceed in one of a number of ways, including.  1. Brooks will step up to the plate, declare his love and they will live happily ever after 2. Brooks will not step up to the plate and she will recognize that Chris/Drew offers her what she really needs or 3. Brooks will not step up to the plate and she will walk away alone.  Again, spoilers aside, we'll just have to wait and see...

Sue,

I appreciate you clarifying your thoughts here. I agree that settling is definitely a recipe for disaster. No one should ever settle.  I also relate to your own personal experience in realizing that it's important to keep one's heart open to see someone who might not be someone that you would have considered. I think that is one sign of real maturity.  

At this point in time with the edit, they are showing Brooks as not as into Des as she is into him. That's what I see.  We know that the edit can be skewed to throw us off many times.  Some have said that Brooks is a thinker and is taking his time. However, with this process in which time is compressed due to the nature of the show, it's not always possible to have the space to take one's time.  

I like your three scenarios and at this point, any of them are possible.  Even with the spoiler info, I like to consider other possibilities and keep my mind open.

Thanks for responding, Native. CANT wait for tonight!! :-)

[SueSt]

Just wanted to post that this may be my favorite F3 ever.  Each guy, while different, is really, really special.  Truly believe Des would be lucky to wind up with any of the remaining men.

Still, at this point in the show, I would choose Chris or Drew for Des.  Chris and Drew have stated openly that they are falling for her and are there for her.  She’s said repeatedly that her MO is to love the guy more than he loves her, so this is a big issue for her (was for me too).  I believe both Chris and Drew - that they would love her without hesitation or reservation.  I think the video of her crying in the red dress will likely be very significant.  Probably willing to wager, whoever she’s crying about will be her F1.

Spoilers aside, at this point in the show, and in spite of what Des has declared, I think the worst choice for her would be Brooks.  Don’t misunderstand, I think Brooks is a great guy, and within the parameters of the show, also feel he is totally reasonable to want to proceed slowly to be sure of his feelings, etc… But for Des to throw herself into the relationship where there is such a disparity of feelings (and yes, I’ve done this too) in my experience, is a recipe for disaster.

Of course, the most important and seemingly dramatic stuff is yet to come… so we’ll just have to sit and wait for more information.    Can’t wait!!!!

I don't think there's a " disparity" between Des and Brooks. He said jogging she said running . He's only a step or so behind. I think the real disparity is her feelings towards the other two. I think that gap is bigger. Should she settle then if that was the case?

Definitely not settle; that's also recipe for disaster.  My personal experience has been that true love only came when I was willing to open my heart and see the true beauty in someone I might have rejected for a number of 'logical' reasons earlier in my life.  So of course, this is my experience and POV... I personally see 'Brooks is just not that into her....'  So the story can proceed in one of a number of ways, including.  1. Brooks will step up to the plate, declare his love and they will live happily ever after 2. Brooks will not step up to the plate and she will recognize that Chris/Drew offers her what she really needs or 3. Brooks will not step up to the plate and she will walk away alone.  Again, spoilers aside, we'll just have to wait and see...

Or she could settle for Chris or Drew because they love HER and wake up 30 years down the road with regret that she did not wait for the one she loved the most who loved her right back. If Brooks is not all in...she should walk away alone. You can waste your youth with settling and live with regret or love yourself enough to never, ever settle.

I agree, settling is never good.  Sometimes (and it seems like plenty of time on this show, mostly I think, due to the condensed filming time period) it seems like the leads settle... only to have regrets about their choices later down the path.  But really, in the heat and pressure of the filming, I’m sure it can be very, very hard to make the best and clearest choices.  

A wise person once told me it's better to take a chance and learn a lesson about what's not good vs. never taking a chance (inaction - due to fear and/or indecision, etc.. ) and not knowing...  And really, it's our mistakes as much or more than our achievements that make us who we are.... so to me, in the end, as painful as some choices have initially seemed, they were huge life lessons that were ultimately for the good.

[IrishGal]

Sue, thanks for all your thoughful posts in this thread.

[SueSt]

Sue, thanks for all your thoughful posts in this thread.  

Thanks IrishGal! :-)

[albean99]

Drew sticking around after the FDs seems to be seen as a pesky situation that fans of the other 2 guys want to try to ignore or explain away. It may end up that he is the delayed f3 person or not. For all we know Drew was going to be in the f2 in any case. I don't see Des keeping 3 guys for the LCD/MTP on purpose. Who could possibly be that wishy washy to inflict that on the extra guy or her family?

I could be wrong (it's happened many times  ) but I can only make sense of things if Brooks leaves. I'm assuming he returns at some point and feel at least a couple of things point to that including moving the MTA up a week and letting Des say she's in love with him. My guess is that he comes back the day before the FRC and possible does meet Des' family. I don't feel he'll get a full LCD & MTP if he chooses to leave & come back. I know that's what fans want but they don't usually reward the returnees. In any case I don't see a clean F3 F2 & F1 without at least some trouble on the horizon. If the spoilers are right it all ends well for Brooks but right now it's a little hard to see how it's going to happen.

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