Bachelor Canada - Season 3 - Chris Leroux - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - #3

Sprite wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

Sprite wrote:I don't follow the SM for any of them...other than what is posted here.

While I do see how some would label Lyndsay as dramatic based on some of her posts, she is young and I while not to my taste, I see her posts as honest and raw. Mik's post on the other hand, seem very deliberate and calculating to me. Very business like. Nothing wrong with that either, but it is a very big difference to me.

@Sprite,
Absolutely it’s different. When you are an independent woman relying on yourself and your business, your perspective is very different. When you’re not planning to cut and run back home, not planning to lose, have no husband for backup, not working for others but working for yourself and determined to succeed it IS different. I have been there so I know. I have been where she wants to go too. Chris has to start a brand new career. He is not a pro baller any more. He has to go wherever a good opportunity takes him. Mikaela told his mom she would be there for him. That’s what he needs, IMO. A smart independent woman who will support him through what’s likely to be a difficult transition after a forced retirement at 33. Fortunately he is not also recovering from another injury. Shame on him if he encumbers himself with dead weight, locked into a box that may not work for him with people who are questionable, at best. IMO.

I fail to see how Lyndsay is dead weight. She has a job just like Mik. She seems to work hard and just because she has her family there for her during hard times, doesn't mean she isn't trying to succeed. Wasn't Mik with her family after the show? Hell, I'm an independent woman myself and I'm older than both of them put together, but it is still nice to know that I have my family to be there for me no matter what.

I am right there with you @Sprite. Lyndsey works from home ghost writing and as a publicist on projects. Does that mean she is less valuable to a girl that is advertising her business all the time, always saying stuff on Sm. IMO, Lyndsey does have a career and is valued and not dead weight. Just because she is close to her family doesn't mean that they are living in her back pocket. She herself said on the FD how yea, her family said stuff, she's close to them and listens to what they say, but she's a big girl and can make her own decisions. IMO, we saw a HIGHLY EDITED htd for Lyndsey and according to the sister, he was with the family for 10 hrs. Why would the guy stay there that long if he wasn't getting along with the family? I'd rather have a hundred Lyndsey's in my corner that are all about love, fun, family oriented, career minded and take others into consideration than someone like Mik who has come across as advertising herself, wanting to further her career in the bachnation world. All IMO

Theyre both great girls, different but both seem quite nice. They’ve remained friends and support each other.... and guess what ? They’ve actually met and know each other!

Why does one have to be torn down to build the other up?

And Chris ....what do we know about him? Precious little IMO we know what he did for a living ... and we know what he’s reavealed and his mom said ... not really enough for me to presume what he saw in the girls, where he’s at in life or whether or not he was sincere. I just want to see who he chose as F1and watch the ATFR to see what transpired since. .....and then I’ll be ready to watch Ari ....

northernviewer wrote:Theyre both great girls, different but both seem quite nice.   They’ve remained friends and support each other.... and guess what ?  They’ve actually met and know each other!

Why does one have to be torn down to build the other up?  

And Chris ....what do we know about him?  Precious little IMO we know what he did for a living ... and we know what he’s reavealed and his mom said ... not really enough for me to presume what he saw in the girls, where he’s at in life or whether or not he was sincere.  I just want to see who he chose as F1and watch the ATFR to see what transpired since.   .....and then I’ll be ready to watch Ari ....

I agree completely.

@tatladylu

I believe that Chris for the first time, realized it was real. That vacation was almost over and he was close to take the plane and go back home and reality. He had no choice but to be real with Lindsey and make a decision. I think many thing happened at the same time and and all the puzzles pieces started to make sense for him.

I think fantasy date gave him clarity only with Mikaela. I think he did not have the conversation and same clarity with Lindsey. He probably had sex with both but that is not the point. IMO Lindsey did not give him the reinsurance he needed for him to jump the fence and move to Vancouver. Lindsey was unclear about their future in vancouver with his mom: I will make him VISIT vancouver. that is not a future. that is not plans. it is still a vacation mode. Chris want to marry and have kids and have a stable life. said he was sick of his travels 8 months per year...

so IMO, Chris decided at MTP that his dad was right. He was going to yet again have a long distance relationship OR take the risk to be even more lonely in a city he knew nothing about.... This decision was not overnight but his clarity about it was made within a week or so
IMO... he told her he would not move and she felt crushed about it because he kinda lied to her. we all heard it that he said he figured it would be him who will move there. So from that point, lindsey had 2 choices: leave or stay to see if he would change his mind

On the teaser she says: I am not ready to do this now............ so to go away. and here goes the 2nd part of the "I should go away". I think her makeup PI means that she was rejected at the finale and this is why she is so pissed off today. She wished she left him before but hoped he would changed his mind.

if prods kept the long distance segment with the parents, we know this would become an issue later. prods never leave something that is not part of the scenario

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Mikaela is something else. I think his mind was set on MIkaela for a long time but because he was attracted to Lindsey, he doubted she was the one. Mikaela said 2 times: I want to be the woman of your dreams and on the love letter you are the man of my dreams.... so here also the conflict is: is mikaela the woman of his dreams? if she is, then he will propose.... but chris took way too long to realize she was and was totally clumsy about it.... like a guy who never grew up. all the emotions and questions came at once and he could not handle all this overflow of emotions and pressure.

I think they had this first portion of the day and mikaela smiking was just the continuity of it. like the pirate, they started to talk and during the second part, he made this "joke" that upset mikaela so much. at this point I would not be surprised that he told her that he may flip a coin to decide...... something incredibly stupid and childish.

So of course mikaela did not get the reinsurance she needed and we will hear the first part of: I need to tell Chris that I do not want to be engaged (not verbatim).. this after the long walk on the beach clarity thinking moment after she left him. I do not think he went after her. I think I heard him bang the door out of anger about himself for ruining the moment.

But I also think that Mikaela will NOT GIVE UP ON HIM and she will accept to date him in real world and see what happen. minimum risks for both. they are both in Toronto.

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I think lindsey brought to him the freedom he never had. he was in this baseball bubble all his youth and all his adult life. She represented the girl he wished he met when he was 20.

Mikaela was for him his present and future but too afraid to loose his freedom. but he was so afraid to commit that he found all excuses not too even if his gut told him she was perfect for him etc. What if he made a mistake? What if she was not the one? Perfection could not exist therefore it was not possible? etc etc etc...

the guy was not in a mindset to make a fair judgment about what he needed to do but confronted to the mandatory choice of the finale.... he put aside all the emotions apart and his brain took over and his brain told him that mikaela was the logical choice. It does not mean he did not love mikaela, it means to me that he finally had his clarity moment.

however in the process he hurt a young girl of an inexperience young over sensitive girl 23 who JUST healed a break up that took her 2 YEARS to go over ... and thought was the one.

Lindsey need a man who will take care of HER. She does not have the maturity to help and encourage another person but her at the moment. There is nothing wrong about this. it is not a mean thing I am saying. She is 23. and that resume everything. the gap between chris is 10 years and that is that.

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for me the only one truly ready for a commitment was mikaela.

MY opinion

HEA wrote:@tatladylu


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I think lindsey brought to him the freedom he never had. he was in this baseball bubble all his youth and all his adult life. She represented the girl he wished he met when he was 20.

Mikaela was for him his present and future but too afraid to loose his freedom. but he was so afraid to commit that he found all excuses not too even if his gut told him she was perfect for him etc. What if he made a mistake? What if she was not the one? Perfection could not exist therefore it was not possible? etc etc etc...

the guy was not in a mindset to make a fair judgment about what he needed to do but confronted to the mandatory choice of the finale.... he put aside all the emotions apart and his brain took over and his brain told him that mikaela was the logical choice. It does not mean he did not love mikaela, it means to me that he finally had his clarity moment.

however in the process he hurt a young girl of an inexperience young over sensitive girl 23 who JUST healed a break up that took her 2 YEARS to go over ... and thought was the one.

Lindsey need a man who will take care of HER. She does not have the maturity to help and encourage another person but her at the moment. There is nothing wrong about this. it is not a mean thing I am saying. She is 23. and that resume everything. the gap between chris is 10 years and that is that.

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for me the only one truly ready for a commitment was mikaela.

MY opinion

The highlighted is the part that for me is the important bit. Logic rarely plays a part in this show. If they were logical, nobody would be here. It is the most illogical of ways to find a partner. That is why IMO they don't pick solely with their brain. The lucky ones just happen to meet someone who has the head and heart balance. I don't think that is happening here.

I think I watched this show right up to when Brittany left (was there a Brittany?) couldn't take anymore of "kiss them Chris" Blab blab blab of emptiness.
One thing I noticed from early previews was that Meagan was featured a lot in pics. In reality, she didn't stand a chance

@Sprite

chris said to lindsey and mikaela that he is an analytic guy, on pirate with mik and part 2 teaser with lindsey. chirs was raised and spent all his life with numbers and stats. zero meant zero. etc. he did not chose with his emotions, nobody taught him that. at 33, all of a sudden, his emotions came out and he had no idea how to handle them and recognize what was good for him. it was like a city guy being in a jungle and trying to survive.
his youth caught up with his adult self and he was a mess.

then he did what he probably did all his life... a reset.

he put his emotions aside and started to list the pros and cons and finaly had this clarity to pick imo mikaela
there is nothing wrong with that but it was HIS way to handle the pressure to pick a girl. because we have no doubt that the prods pushed him right???

however, the flip side of doing that was he was careless and clumsy and probably hurt 2 girls way more than he should have. he did not handle the situation well at all. if he told lindsey that he was not ready to move in vancouver... i doubt e changed his mind at the finale. he made his mind when he met his parents even if lindsey unwelcoming parents and the mikaela welcoming parents WHO TREATED HIM LIKE ONE OF THEIR OWN made a huge difference.

men do not like conflict. they hate it. they like easy going. not sure if you heard it but during one interview he clearly said he hated drama..... what to you think he was in the middle of at hometown and after??

And even if we think we know per x number of season of bachelor we saw and analyse who is the logical choice.... those people are still humans and it is their choices. .... we know for a fact that some leads picked the worse F1 ever.... eh richie (rickie) eh Jason (switching to molly eh Emily (Jef) ... list is kinda long actually... and so many couple never made it far in real world because the real world told them that they were too different. club med was over, back to reality.

this show always has a love triangle. generally the lead is surer about his choice but we know it is not always the case.

i hope it is not too late...

jmo

HEA wrote:@Sprite

chris said to lindsey and mikaela that he is an analytic guy, on pirate with mik and part 2 teaser with lindsey. chirs was raised and spent all his life with numbers and stats. zero meant zero. etc. he did not chose with his emotions, nobody taught him that. at 33, all of a sudden, his emotions came out and he had no idea how to handle them and recognize what was good for him. it was like a city guy being in a jungle and trying to survive.
his youth caught up with his adult self and he was a mess.

then he did what he probably did all his life... a reset.

he put his emotions aside and started to list the pros and cons and finaly had this clarity to pick imo mikaela
there is nothing wrong with that but it was HIS way to handle the pressure to pick a girl. because we have no doubt that the prods pushed him right???

however, the flip side of doing that was he was careless and clumsy and probably hurt 2 girls way more than he should have. he did not handle the situation well at all. if he told lindsey that he was not ready to move in vancouver... i doubt e changed his mind at the finale. he made his mind when he met his parents even if lindsey unwelcoming parents and the mikaela welcoming parents WHO TREATED HIM LIKE ONE OF THEIR OWN made a huge difference.

men do not like conflict. they hate it. they like easy going. not sure if you heard it but during one interview he clearly said he hated drama..... what to you think he was in the middle of at hometown and after??

And even if we think we know per x number of season of bachelor we saw and analyse who is the logical choice.... those people are still humans and it is their choices. .... we know for a fact that some leads picked the worse F1 ever.... eh richie (rickie) eh Jason (switching to molly eh Emily (Jef) ... list is kinda long actually... and so many couple never made it far in real world because the real world told them that they were too different. club med was over, back to reality.

this show always has a love triangle. generally the lead is surer about his choice but we know it is not always the case.

i hope it is not too late...

jmo

I don't really care how analytical a man is in his business life. I have met some very hard headed, logical business guys and they did not pick their significant others based on logic. In fact, a couple of them picked the least logical partners I could have imagined....and it wasn't because they used their brain!

@HEA

Thank you for your very detailed reply. I appreciate that, from your perspective, you tried to be fair to Mikaela, Lyndsey and chris.

I know that you’ve mentioned before that you felt that Chris always wanted Mikaela . I think that he was attracted to a lot of girls from the start but he called Lyndsey's name first to give her the first rose on the first night and also gave her the very first individual date. So he definitely liked Lyndsey from the start and it continued to now. But I don’t want to argue about the edits, who he preferred, why and how.

It is my belief that something in the finale happens (unexpected) based on what was heard on Mikaela's IG live. I think that Lyndsey did leave him before the FRC and her melancholy now (not anger) comes from reliving the very real relationship they had.

I was just wondering if you felt there was a possibility that Mikaela might leave instead based on what chris says to her when she asks him about Lyndsey? If he says that he loves Lyndsey, why would Mikaela stay, no? If she did stay, wouldn't it contribute to their inability to continue their relationship in the real world hence the RS spoiler?

I guess that was really my question....!!

Sprite wrote:


I don't really care how analytical a man is in his business life. I have met some very hard headed, logical business guys and they did not pick their significant others based on logic. In fact, a couple of them picked the least logical partners I could have imagined....and it wasn't because they used their brain!

This show isn’t the platform for logical anything

They don’t call it a bubble for nothing! This is speed dating on steroids, and I’m sure all the leads fly by the seat of their pants when making decisions. They’re probably initially attracted to a handful and the season goes from there. I bet they don’t give it an 1/8 of thought in comparison to what some viewers give it. Like I said the other day .... they pick the one that gives them butterflies.... and that’s what most of us do in real life too

@Sprite

Omg that is hilarious ..."it wasn't because they used their brain"
Lol !!!

tatladylu wrote:@HEA

Thank you for your very detailed reply. I appreciate that, from your perspective, you tried to be fair to Mikaela, Lyndsey and chris.

I know that you’ve mentioned before that you felt that Chris always wanted Mikaela . I think that he was attracted to a lot of girls from the start but he called Lyndsey's name first to give her the first rose on the first night and also gave her the very first individual date. So he definitely liked Lyndsey from the start and it continued to now. But I don’t want to argue about the edits, who he preferred, why and how.

It is my belief that something in the finale happens (unexpected) based on what was heard on Mikaela's IG live. I think that Lyndsey did leave him before the FRC and her melancholy now (not anger) comes from reliving the very real relationship they had.

I was just wondering if you felt there was a possibility that Mikaela might leave instead based on what chris says to her when she asks him about Lyndsey?  If he says that he loves Lyndsey, why would Mikaela stay, no? If she did stay, wouldn't it contribute to their inability to continue their relationship in the real world hence the RS spoiler?

I guess that was really my question....!!

geshh I am always OTT with my answers eh?

no. I think we had the "I will not give up on you" mentioned part I and that is that. However, she will realize that under the circumstances she cannot accept a proposal and she will tell him. We will have a beautiful speech from her about she is sure of herself but she is now not sure of himself and for that she is ready to wait a bit longer in real world and give it a chance to their relationship.

Mikaela was the first he talked to. he said if he could talk to her all night he would have done it and was blown away as it was the first talk with her. I honestly think they fell in love but he was not emotionally ready in this bubble. He was not prepared mentally to accept that he could be attracted to multiple girl and make a difference between little chris, his brain, his logic, his emotions. he looked like a guy with PMS

Lindsey is a lovely girl but I think she was just at the end of recovering her breakup with her ex. Her multiple blogs early september about him and how she handle the breakup was for me a therapy that truly allowed her to turn the page. but last march, she was not at that stage yet. so it must have been very hard to be rejected because he gave her many signs and words that she was the one. a flip flopper means what he says... at the moment he says it... which is hard to understand why he can change his mind later. Lindsey is still in this stage where she think love is a fairytale, exclusive, passionate, breathing the same air... she is 23. and she has all rights to be that way. I mentioned it already, for me she is a bird and caging her would make her and the other person miserable.

mikaela IMO matured way sooner. she left home at 19. got her bachelor degree. worked hard to be where she is at today. she knows what she wants and she is ready to move on and have a husband. she is ready. But she still has this passion for adventure and not be a stay home girl. I think she is coming with money but she worked hard to be where she is at right now. So yes, I relate more to her than free spirit Lindsey.

Hope everyone is happy and in a loving relationship.