Bachelor Canada - Season 3 - Chris Leroux - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - #3

@Sprite

I think you misunderstand what I am saying. I think he PUT ASIDE his emotions to sort it out the pros and cons. He was not emotionless. He proved he was a mess. But it was all internal and he could not express them. So at the end of the day, he did what he knew best... analyze the situation as if he was on the field. this is how he grew up and this is how he felt the more confortable.

it does not mean that little chris did not have a say but IMO the fantasy night was not as clear as it was better with one or the other. he said it himself: he was even more confused.

I do not see Lyndsey as someone who can’t be “caged” any more than Mikaela. I think yes, Lyndsey is a bit of a free spirit, but she has said all along that she wants to find her “person” and she wants to be in love and in a relationship. She has spoken about her past relationship on the show, as has Chris with his regrets, so IMO tptb have shown us the mistakes those two have made and don’t want repeated in their future. IMO we don’t know a lot about Mikaela and her past relationships, what mistakes were made and what she wants for the future. She is just a filler IMO.

Mikaela is a filler for what exactly?

HEA wrote:@Sprite

I think you misunderstand what I am saying. I think he PUT ASIDE his emotions to sort it out the pros and cons. He was not emotionless. He proved he was a mess. But it was all internal and he could not express them. So at the end of the day, he did what he knew best... analyze the situation as if he was on the field. this is how he grew up and this is how he felt the more confortable.

it does not mean that little chris did not have a say but IMO the fantasy night was not as clear as it was better with one or the other. he said it himself: he was even more confused.

I understood exactly what you were saying, I just didn't necessarily agree with it.

Maybe it's the romantic in me...and I try very hard not to be...but, if you have to sit down and analyze if you are in love with someone...you're not. I know guys Chris' age and they don't pick their partners because they analyzed a list of pros and cons. They picked them because they excited their little head. Eventually other stuff gets weighed in if it gets serious, but initially, in the short term, the little head rules. Chris is still at the early stages of infatuation, despite the fact that he may be getting engaged in this very bizarre circumstance. I don't see that there is that much difference between the women. They both seem, smart, attractive, hard working and nice enough. Barring something dramatic happening that he has no control over, IMO...little head will rule.

Also, regarding your previous post...Mik maturing earlier....that is an assumption. She left home at 19...well, so did Lyndsay. I believe they both went to school and went to work. So yes, Mik had a few more years to mature since she is older, but since I don't know them, I know squat about who is more mature and who is ready for marriage and kids. Everyone matures differently depending on their own experiences. There are plenty of older people who are immature and plenty of young people who are wise beyond their years. I'm not really seeing much difference between the two ladies on the show so I hesitate to state with such certainty that one is more ready than the other.

@Sprite

Omg!! You kill ...!!! The little head rules!! Lol!! Totally agree!!

BlackHalo wrote:Mikaela is a filler for what exactly?

A filler for the show, for Chris to take to the end, but IMO I don’t think he loves her or is in love with her. She is a nice girl who the viewers would warm to, but like Elise on Matty J’s show, she was never the one as he knew from night one who he wanted. Like Chris did IMO.
Mikaela has no story arc at all IMO.

tatladylu wrote: @Sprite

Omg!! You kill ...!!! The little head rules!! Lol!! Totally agree!!

I work with a lot of younger guys...and girls.....mid 20's to mid 30's. The stories I hear would make your hair .

@Sprite

Omg I believe it!! Lol !!

generalizing  and think everyone is the same because they are young or old or whatever.....  

I prefer to think that each one is unique. inexperience when young, yes. but wanting the same things because they have the same age #meh

therefore, for me chris is unique in the sense that he has an analytic mind. because of his education etc, he acted the way he felt the more comfortable. I think it is very stretchy to compare him with other people just because

some individual are very sexual, some are very intellectual, some are a mix of both, etc etc etc .... but not everyone is ONE dimension. Yes chris love to touch and kiss and probably love to have sex like any healthy man of his age but it does not mean he is brainless and think with his crotch only. it is a quick judgment about someone nobody knows personally here on this board and that is IMO ridiculous to do so

JMO

He's a guy and a young guy at that who admittedly stated that he got women easily, was a MBL player, never married and had long distance relationships. Now, with a smile, he talks about the X factor, butterflies and not being able to sleep at night because of a girl.

You think he's thinking with his analytical head when he wants a girl?

And see, I don't think that he's unique.

Sorry this is going to be a long one folks.

@HEA, You say here:

if prods kept the long distance segment with the parents, we know this would become an issue later. prods never leave something that is not part of the scenario

IMO, they did keep it there.  It was part of their storyline and their love story of how they can overcome the obstacles that are put in front of them.  We also see in the preview for the finale that Mik is angry, she storms off.  IMO, cause that's what does happen.  she leaves after being told that she's not his choice.


Furthermore when you look at your words above about prods ot leaving something there that doesn't deal with the situation/scenario, then I am going to bring this up again.

In epi 5, I think that was a very pivotal date for Chris and  Lyndsey.  Lyndsey's ITM was about her and Chris.  Everyone else's including Mikaela is about what they wanted out of the date.  IMO, Lyndsey never stops thinking of the future.  During the group portion at the ball diamond, he was literally GUSHING about her.  "the first pitch I throw at her she just wacks it into left field.  You know, I am pretty surprised.  It's pretty hot"  "Lyndsey can do it all, she can bat, she can throw, she can catch.  She looks good doing it too."
at the end of the group portion and Chris had to choose a MVP, Chris says that he's at a point in his journey to take it to the next level.....we need to remember that both Mikaela and Lynds are on the date.  IMO, if he wanted the time with Mikaela even though he had gd time with her in epi 4, he would of chosen her here.  Instead, he went with this:  "I picked Lyndsey as MVp because she was the best baseball player and I think that it was apparent.  I'm actually really happy that she was the best baseball player because I need this time with her"

In Epi 5, IMO there are a lot of things that pertain to what happened at the end of the MTP date.  For instance:
In an ITM Chris states:  "I am scared of the risk, is this where it's going to end?"  

Lyndsey says: "It's a huge chance.  You probably have some safe choices here as well" to which Chris immediately replies "I don't go for safe choices.  Listen, I can't get past the fact that I just cannot stop thinking about you.  Like you said, you have to take a chance and I think I am going to push my chips in on you."

To me, this all plays in on the MTP, the chat that Chris had with his mom/dad.  IMO, Chris was obviously put out by his dad pointing out the age gap.  IMO, Chris knows that there is the gap, but he also knows how BOTH he and Lyndsey feel about it.

First when chris stated that Lynds isn't willing to leave Vancouver, the dad immediately said are you able to pick up and go then.  IMO, he was saying that in conjunction to his later statement about following his heart even if it requires him to make adjustments to his life.  It's also about making a committment then make one last adjustment to be happy.  Even his mom at the end said that if Chris comes back engaged she will be very content because she knows he has chosen somone that he feels will be a great partner in his life. Then outside the mom was saying don't be scared to fall in love.  That is resonating on the talk that he had with Lyndsey in epi 5.  IMO, it was all about him knowing he was absolutely crazy about Lyndsey all along, but with his parent's 'permission' if you will to actually make that leap and fall in love.  The mom said you got to jump in and take risks.  The only one that we heard that about is Lyndsey also.  The last that we hear from Chris is about taking a chance.  The only time we heard that choice of words/statement is with Lyndsey.  All of it is about Lyndsey. IMO


@HEA, when you said this;

I will make him VISIT vancouver

, that is NOT at all what was said.  Instead, this was said by Lyndsey:

Well, he hasn't explored Vancouver yet so I am excited to explore that with him.

She stated because of her family she wants to remain in vancouver.

the topic of discussion then went into her family and siblings she has there.  IMO, as we saw in the FD when Chris and her were sitting by the bench talking about the FS and her sisters, she stated it pretty plainly that she does listen to the advice of family, but she's a big girl and can make her own decisions.  IMO, this is along the same lines.  Yes, she is close to her family but they don't live in her back pocket.  She does make her own choices.



The part of Lyndsey being dressed in the black top and with makeup, IMO is from the finale.  In the finale preview, we see how Chris is bringing up the distance card again.  She could at the time say in an itm(which we are likely only hearing a minor portion of) that she may leave.  IMO, what is likely happening is that she's saying if he's not sure of her then she will leave.  Right now with how the season happened and the editing.....there is NO way IMO that she's leaving on her own accord.  She's proven over and over that she's there for the long haul.


Think it's important, the Canadian franchise shows more of the backstory of the duo that's behind the love story we are seeing.  The way they do this is through obstacles that the pair face from night one to finale day...the one that is facing these obstacles WITH Chris is Lyndsey.  There were obstacles put in their path from epi 2 onward.  With Mikaela, we don't see obstacles for them that aren't resolved in the same epi that they are presented.




I don't see anywhere that Lyndsey is pissed off right now.  Yea, she's upset with the edit of HTD considering how great it went and how much time the family did spend(10 hrs) with Chris so for the show to only cherry pick the very few things that were tough from the date, that upset her.  That was only at the producers though IMO.....never anywhere else.


On the other hand with the preview for the finale(and keeping in mind your words above with how the producers don't leave things in there that don't pertain to the situation), Mikaela is showing that she is leaving.  She's very angry, needs to discuss what's going on with Lyndsey because up till now, IMO she thought she had it in the bag(a typical F2 edit).


@HEA, As far as the statement with regards to Lyndsey isn't mature enough to help and encourage another person.  Where in the world is that coming from.  IMO, she left home when she was 19, she got her own degree, she lived in NY and  has a career.  Pretty dang mature I think.  As far as the other thought that she's barely over her other relationship, IMO, it is taken wrong from her blog.  She said the other relationship was over 2 years ago.  She is well and good over it BEFORE she went on the show.


@Agent99, I don't see Lyndsey as someone that can't be caged.  she is a free spirit and a fun lover of life.  Exactly what Chris said that he loved about her.   With regards to Mikaela, yea, we never did get deep with Mikaela to understand much about past relationships as IMO, she was a filler.  She was someone that he could take to the finale that would be believable he could have feelings for.  IMO, his love is and had always been with Lyndsey though.  I agree, Mik hasn't had a story arc, obstacles to overcome, nada right from night one.


@Sprite
I totally agree, making assumptions as to who matured quicker isn't really a good guage IMO.  Lyndsey left home at 19, has her degree, moved away to NY, has a career....why is she less mature than Mikaela??  BTW, love your little head analogy.  LOL.

HEA wrote:

tatladylu wrote:@HEA

Thank you for your very detailed reply. I appreciate that, from your perspective, you tried to be fair to Mikaela, Lyndsey and chris.

I know that you’ve mentioned before that you felt that Chris always wanted Mikaela . I think that he was attracted to a lot of girls from the start but he called Lyndsey's name first to give her the first rose on the first night and also gave her the very first individual date. So he definitely liked Lyndsey from the start and it continued to now. But I don’t want to argue about the edits, who he preferred, why and how.

It is my belief that something in the finale happens (unexpected) based on what was heard on Mikaela's IG live. I think that Lyndsey did leave him before the FRC and her melancholy now (not anger) comes from reliving the very real relationship they had.

I was just wondering if you felt there was a possibility that Mikaela might leave instead based on what chris says to her when she asks him about Lyndsey?  If he says that he loves Lyndsey, why would Mikaela stay, no? If she did stay, wouldn't it contribute to their inability to continue their relationship in the real world hence the RS spoiler?

I guess that was really my question....!!

geshh I am always OTT with my answers eh?

no. I think we had the "I will not give up on you" mentioned part I and that is that. However, she will realize that under the circumstances she cannot accept a proposal and she will tell him. We will have a beautiful speech from her about she is sure of herself but she is now not sure of himself and for that she is ready to wait a bit longer in real world and give it a chance to their relationship.

Mikaela was the first he talked to. he said if he could talk to her all night he would have done it and was blown away as it was the first talk with her. I honestly think they fell in love but he was not emotionally ready in this bubble. He was not prepared mentally to accept that he could be attracted to multiple girl and make a difference between little chris, his brain, his logic, his emotions. he looked like a guy with PMS

Lindsey is a lovely girl but I think she was just at the end of recovering her breakup with her ex. Her multiple blogs early september about him and how she handle the breakup was for me a therapy that truly allowed her to turn the page. but last march, she was not at that stage yet. so it must have been very hard to be rejected because he gave her many signs and words that she was the one. a flip flopper means what he says... at the moment he says it... which is hard to understand why he can change his mind later. Lindsey is still in this stage where she think love is a fairytale, exclusive, passionate, breathing the same air... she is 23. and she has all rights to be that way. I mentioned it already, for me she is a bird and caging her would make her and the other person miserable.

mikaela IMO matured way sooner. she left home at 19. got her bachelor degree. worked hard to be where she is at today. she knows what she wants and she is ready to move on and have a husband. she is ready. But she still has this passion for adventure and not be a stay home girl. I think she is coming with money but she worked hard to be where she is at right now. So yes, I relate more to her than free spirit Lindsey.

Hope everyone is happy and in a loving relationship.

With the bolded, Mik didn't really give him a chance. She came there with a "ring" and made him promise to speak to her first.....talk about being there for the game of it.

Lyndsey was the last one that he talked with that night, he went out of his way to make it special as he took her to an out of the way spot away from all of the others. His "chasing" of her started night one. In the past, that has been the trait of who will be the F1. Who is the lead chasing. This season, that is Lyndsey. IMO.

Maturity, smarity....I don't know either girl personally so can't tell you who is more mature. Just because Mik is 4 yrs older than Lynds could mean squat in the grand scheme of things. Both left home at 19, both are educated, both moved to a bigger city. To say that one is more mature than the other is left up to the ones that directly know them IMO.