Bachelor Canada - Season 3 - Chris Leroux - Episode Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* - #3

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BlackHalo wrote:I really don't think that ITM of Mik crying is from an elimination. For one I don't think they would blatantly spoil the F2 elimination by putting it in the teaser and wouldn't Chris be walking her to the car/limo? When would she have time to give the ITM in a secluded spot like that? JMO.

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BlackHalo wrote:I really don't think that ITM of Mik crying is from an elimination. For one I don't think they would blatantly spoil the F2 elimination by putting it in the teaser and wouldn't Chris be walking her to the car/limo? When would she have time to give the ITM in a secluded spot like that? JMO.

Well, if she's been eliminated privately before the FRC, then it could happen in the back of her unit.  IMO.  We know in season 1, Brad went and let Whit go the same day as the FRC.  So, IMO, it wouldn't be the first time that the lead said goodbye to the F2 in private ahead of time.  FWIW, I don't know if it is an ITM, but it is caught on video of Mikaela crying.

In the season teaser of season 1 of Bachelor Canada, Brad/Whit time was clearly in there of when she was let go so IMO, this could be the second time.
Below are from the time Brad let Whitney go before the FRC.  





https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu7gcu

@4health

Aunties_Love I don't know. I have thought about it and it could be anything. But, an interesting question is why did tptb edit this right after the scene of Chris on the beach in his finale suit with a voiceover "maybe I am truly scared of taking the next step" and then this shot of Mikaela crying. If you really watch the season preview at the end of episode 1 I get the impression that it is all about Mikaela. That this scene of her crying is her fear that he is so confused and that he won't let her in. You hear in the preview Mikaela say I feel like pulling away a little bit" The preview around the finale scenes and Chris' voiceovers just don't match with a Lyndsey and Chris ending IMO. I do think it is Lyndsey's voice that says about not ready for an engagement and she has to walk away. Chris' voiceover with a scene of him standing at FRC that he only talks about one girl. You don't hear him say "falling for two girls" and it ends with a voiceover "I want to let her in but I am scared" ....."I'm just hoping it's not too late".

At the end of Jasmine's preview showing her at the FRC her voice over is about her falling in love with two guys and then one that says "part of me wants to turn around and change my mind" and hindsight looking back that is what her season was about. The major viewers wanted her to change her mind.

So, what does the voiceovers mean at the end of Chris' preview. The story is there IMO

everything is about chris not able to open up and this obstacle is related to Mikaela.
in the non spoiled back back then I said that it was not a rose ceremony rejection because of her conservative dress and they rarely reject the F2 outside their room. I also mentionned that chris told her something that upsetting her. For me the only possibility i see is that no proposal will be offered... and mik will be very upset about it because he is the one (at that time). I sleuthed this moment as being part of the finale with mik BTW.

I agree with you that teaser always give us a storyline and chris saying that he is maybe afraid to fall in love, followed immediately with mik crying WITH NO VO... that for me was linked.

this fit perfectly the clarity moment every leads have.... and the I hope it is not too late

IMO an elimination is all orchaestred with crew in advance who need lights and material. However it can be an unplanned elimination but I do not see it happening.

we always talk about THE obstacle with the F1.... and there we go with mikaela...

my opinion

What little I've seen of this season, I agree with HEA that it is all about Chris. The final girls are almost ancillary to his story. It will be a good finale, and the script goes right, there will be a happily-ever-after!

if we listen the season teaser again, chris says that he is confident he will propose at the end of the journey (not verbatim but close enough)

this added with the last image of the teaser when we see him putting back the rose on the pedestal..... AS IF no rose will be given

but i made a close up on last last image and he is holding a rose

so it is all about dramatic ending with no proposal...... with the doubts from him and noah that they are showing during the premiere interviews.... not saying he is in love etc

drama.... he was too late to open up and his chosen left him

i am thinking taht the VO: I have to walk away..... is mikaela..... possibly the I cannot be engaged with chris, I have to tell him..... that also fit the scenario......; SHE would be the one to pull away...................... but I am 50/50 between mik and linds.... linds speaks fast and in cut short words pattern and the VO looks very close like her

who fit this scenario???? of course it is mikaela since all the open up is her with crhis; her with mom and him with mom

jmo

Norcalgal wrote:What little I've seen of this season, I agree with HEA that it is all about Chris. The final girls are almost ancillary to his story. It will be a good finale, and the script goes right, there will be a happily-ever-after!

yes. exactly. I feel the girls are accessories to his internal strugglings.

but MTP, gave him clarity when he saw his parents, hugging his mom 2 times. He left then few weeks only.... so moving to Vancouver months at a time, alone not fam there, new city, his fears that linds would leave him few years later, linds fam rejection who will always make him feel inadequate because he is 10 years older.... I honestly think he cut the tie with lindsey at hometown... and was on this path conclusion right at the 1-1 with mikaela. Not saying he did not wish things were different with linds, but mik gave him the security, love, fun AND confirmation during the fantasy suite that they were sexually compatible.....

if it was not mik, then he would have had fun with mik on the pirates, had nice diner, sex or no sex depending how he felt about his F1.... and do what all the leads do with F2.... each season F2 have incredible fantasy time together.......


ahem who fits more the F2 role here........

jmo

"I'm not ready to be engaged to Chris yet" sounds nothing like Mik IMO. Maybe Lynsdey has a change of heart about the engagement in the finale. She and Chris may have another talk about their families and his move to Vancouver (why isn't she willing to make that compromise again?) Or maybe it really was just a misleading soundbite.

Thoughts on this comment from Chris to Lyndsey prior to fantasy suite...

“I have so much hope for us. I just haven’t met somebody like you ever,” he said. “Although you scare me, although you keep me up at night, hopefully in the end it’s worth it.”

Again the strong comments that just make me go :/ if she's not F1.

Like this woman keeps you UP AT NIGHT!? Oh my goodness!

Why is this guy saying these things! I don't know!

BlackHalo wrote:"I'm not ready to be engaged to Chris yet" sounds nothing like Mik IMO. Maybe Lynsdey has a change of heart about the engagement in the finale. She and Chris may have another talk about their families and his move to Vancouver (why isn't she willing to make that compromise again?) Or maybe it really was just a misleading soundbite.

That's a very good question. Lyndsey who was able to move to NYC in the past,  is not willing, for some reason (at least that's what we were allowed to see) to move to Toronto? Risking losing the love of her life and knowing how difficult it would be for Chris to move close to her family. I feel like this is not the full picture.

@tatladylu Exactly.  IMO, there are far more things in this season that relate to Chris and his struggles with picking Lyndsey than ANYTHING to do with Mikaela.  IMO, Mikaela for the most part has been a filler.  All season long, the struggles that Chris have had relate to

A)opening up
B) Lyndsey's age
C) Lyndsey's distance
D) his open heart to Lyndsey - hense his chat with his mom who basically gave him permission to fall in love with her.

IMO, there is no need or advantage to leaving in the edit the times that Chris said that he loves Lyndsey, the fact that he said in epi 5 that his chips are all in with Lyndsey, the problems with the age card, the problems with the distance, the edit the family had(Classic F1 edit), the edit the MTP had with Lyndsey(the classic F1 edit).  
All of those obstacles are what the storyline is all about.  Keeping in mind that since we are talking about Bach Can here, we need to look at the edits from that especially with regards to the obstacles the lead had with the prospective F1.  Those obstacles were always brought to the viewers attention before the end of epi 2.  Then nine times out of ten, more obstacles were brought in as the season wore on due to the over use of the first obstacle(IMO).

Season 1 - Brad:  With Bianka...it was brought to the viewer's attention in epi 1 when she said in an ITM that she didn't know if she could do this now that she 's here because she dealt with the repeated cheating from her ex.  Then by the end of epi 2, she had a chat with Brad and told him about it.  By epi 3 in Mexico during the group date, she went into more depth in it, by the time he took her for alone time on the yacht at the end of the epi she was full blown in it.  That theme carried on for the whole show and it turned as Brad didn't know if Bianka could/would trust him.

Season 2 - Tim:  With April, we were told in epi 1 about her insecurities, whether she was pretty enough or good enough to be considered a catch.  By epi 2, we see her insecurrities come out big time, by epi 3, she and Brad were frolicking in the ocean as she left the group and went down to the water to get away from the "Brad" talk as she couldn't handle it anymore.  The whole season went on from there but the main constant was her insecurities and whether Tim could break through them or not....Their family time was ok, but his MTP time was dreadful and she started a meltdown after that.

Season 1 of Bachelorette:  In his intro package, we heard him allude to past girlfriends and why they didn't work out....jealousy was introduced minimally then.  BUT what was introduced then was he broke up with his girlfriend because of his mom and problems they all had.  As the season progressed, his jealousy came out and it didn't take long.  By the HTD's we can see a big rift between his mom and Jasmine, by MTP, the rift got bigger there.


Bottom line to all these stories - editing traits for Bachcan and the F1's is that there are obstacles introduced early and carry throughout the season and not get solved in one epi.  With Lyndsey and Chris, those obstacles have existed since epi 2.  Epi 1 is when we were introduced to Lyndsey and her past relationship with an older guy through ITM's.  IMO, they have been setting this up so that she once again has an older guy in the end.  The age, distance, and whether he can hike or camp obstacles are gone.


Now with Mikaela, the only "obstacle" if you can call it that is in epi 4 when she was already professing falling for the guy, he didn't respond as well as she wanted.  At that rose ceremony,  she took him aside at the cocktail party..  Then in epi 6 the same kind of thing happened again.  When you see their time together, she's always the one to want to take him aside, always the one to insitigate contact between them, always instigating the kissing.  

When you look at Lyndsey, it is Chris that is instigating the kissing the  affection, taking her aside every time but one when it was Lyndsey that asked to speak to him first.  As soon as they were out of eye shot of the others, Chris said hold it, hold it as he reached for her and they immediately started kissing  -  even put her against the wall type of kiss but the point is, he instigated that.

Because of all of this, IMO, Mikaela has been the filler.  Been the one that he can legitimately take to the finale as the viewers would believe their  connection compared to Catie.


IMO, the average viewer out there who don't scour over all the caps, words said, etc would likely be thinking right now that there is no way that he'd choose Lyndsey with that htd's and the mtp's dates.  BUT us as sleuthers and ones that do scour over all the clues, IMO are the ones that are taking apart every little morsal we are fed.  From what I can see from all of this is that Lyndsey is the F1.

Jmo I do think there is a lot missing with both girls that we are not seeing. To many loose edits conversations that are put together that it really is hard to say which way it will go. The only thing I see is the desire for Lyndsey, the butterflies, I can't sleep, you keep me up, I'm always excited to see her , all the feelings of someone that is feeling love for someone not wanting it to end no matter what he and Lyndsey have to overcome she is still pulling at the guys heart ( tough for him to let go , or perhaps deny those feelings) but perhaps if spoiler is right they both agree though there love is there for one another , but with broken hearts and sad good byes maybe the agree that this is best they need to say goodbye. Mikeala we don't see there hard conversations and even if she knows they belong together , we don't see him expressing himself to much but that is one of his obstacles with her. Mikeala does try to get him to express himself but he is not there with her yet. So all we really do see is a lot of kissing her and hugs to keep her to stay so he can figure it out what is missing. I'm not sure he is there with her but if spoiler is right then maybe just maybe he is willing to try ar the end with her but no proposal ( cause he still needs to catch up with her feelings she has for him unfortunately I think he is a few steps behind , but he still loves her and wants to see if he can be in love with her, or maybe he realizes he may be giving up on something that could be a pattern and why not give it a try and not follow his past patterns ,( so I could see her in tears crying that she still feels that he is not where she is and that I'm sure would hurt her, but she stills hangs in there till the last minute of his decision) so however long later after the show they both decided ( mikeala I'm not waiting and feels that he is not for her as she wants her guy to pick her cause he loves her , wants to be with her , and( Chris well he just can't get there with her realizes he knows what he wants someone like Lyndsey that the way his feelings where for her the sleepless nights and wants to see her everyday etc. ) so they leave on good terms and go there separate ways. Even if it's tough , they to move on. All jmo

dy1119 wrote:

BlackHalo wrote:"I'm not ready to be engaged to Chris yet" sounds nothing like Mik IMO. Maybe Lynsdey has a change of heart about the engagement in the finale. She and Chris may have another talk about their families and his move to Vancouver (why isn't she willing to make that compromise again?) Or maybe it really was just a misleading soundbite.

That's a very good question. Lyndsey who was able to move to NYC in the past,  is not willing, for some reason (at least that's what we were allowed to see) to move to Toronto? Risking losing the love of her life and knowing how difficult it would be for Chris to move close to her family. I feel like this is not the full picture.

IMO, the soundbyte of "I'm not ready to be engaged to Chris yet" could very well of happened in epi 2 or 5 or at HTD's in conjunction of either until he gets to know me more or until he meets my family and those parts were conveniently left off. IMO, Until we see it play out, it could be from something so simple as that to her saying it at the finale. Just like we found out that the crying pic of Mikaela was assumed to be from MTP drama and we know now that it doesn't so obviously it comes from the finale in some format or another. It could come from Mikaela being let go before the FRC. That would account for her not dressed in a finale dress, crying in a "backyard" style setting. It happened in season 1 and if Chris knew what he wanted with absolute conviction, it could IMO happen again.

IMO, we were not privy to a lot in the storyline of Chris and Lyndsey and I think it's obvious due to the chop and dice of their dates, a lot more could of been discussed as well. MAYBE, she's testing him in a way to find out if he'd move. I seriously doubt in real life after she was chosen that she wouldn't make that move to Toronto to make things work. Heck, I did that for mine. At 19, we moved from my backwoods small town, driven cross country in the middle of December to land in downtown Toronto in the middle of rush hour traffic on a Friday morning. Talk about a wakeup call. At least with Lyndsey, she's been in a good size city for a long time and lived in a bigger city in NY. IMO, she could adapt to Toronto. I did and lived there for 4 years.

tatladylu wrote:Thoughts on this comment from Chris to Lyndsey prior to fantasy suite...

“I have so much hope for us. I just haven’t met somebody like you ever,” he said. “Although you scare me, although you keep me up at night, hopefully in the end it’s worth it.”

Again the strong comments that just make me go :/ if she's not F1.

Like this woman keeps you UP AT NIGHT!? Oh my goodness!

Why is this guy saying these things! I don't know!

i recall we had the same conversation with THINKING OF YOU CONSTANTLY... until he said it ALSO to Mikalea

the guy is using the same words for both. edits just decided to use them wherever they thought fit their scenario