Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

I personally think there was a kind of clique in the house esp after Raven's comments in her live IG that 'There's 7 of us' and Vanessa wasn't a part of it IMO.

see2love wrote:
Didnt Jasmine say something about others noticing Rachel had a connection with Nick, and yet the girls still liked Rachel. Says a lot about Vanessa if she couldnt manage that feat. Takes a special woman to do it.

IMO I don't think it says anything about Vanessa that she couldn't get other women who are dating the same guy she is dating, say good things about her. Rachel might indeed be a special woman but her getting along with other women does not mean that Vanessa is any less special than her. JMO.

Didn't RS say with his early spoilers before HTD that he was hearing Vanessa was the front runner?

Cila51290 wrote:Whatever it is TPTB hasn't shown anything about Vanessa's supposed bad behavior and demeanor and we're going on episode 6 now. The crying and whiny tone from Vanessa coming up is pretty normal to me in Bachelor history. Are they trying to keep their F1 in a good light or was the the whole hating on Vanessa from the other girls thing irrelevant to the storyboard?

I agree. What I find interesting is that there was supposedly major tension brewing Rachel and Vanessa for most of the season yet this Monday's episode marks the midway point and it hasn't even been hinted at. If it was Nick related, wouldn't it have been brought up by now? That makes me wonder if whatever RS got was exaggerated because you would think the show would be hinting at tension all along if Rachel/Vanessa weren't getting along. It can't have been that bad if Corinne is still the focus as of now and if they show the major fight now, IMO it would kind of be coming out of left field.

As for Vanessa crying on the group date, this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I kind of get where she's coming from. Yes, we know she's one of the frontrunners but it couldn't have been easy for her to see Nick devote so much time to the Corinne/Taylor drama etc. I would think at that point she would do whatever it took to get extra time with him. IDK , like I said her actions on the group date coming up don't really bother me that much. It is still somewhat a game at this point.

mprssdbyu wrote:Didn't RS say with his early spoilers before HTD that he was hearing Vanessa was the front runner?

I vaguely remember him mentioning something like that.

No, he only mentioned Vanessa as the front runner when he finally revealed who the F4 was after stalling for awhile. Prior to that he hadn't revealed Vanessa at all, even though people were asking about her because of the In Touch Magazine pictures.

Of course he acted like he knew for awhile but just chose not to say anything In any case, when he revealed the F4 he said Vanessa was who Nick had been into from the start and the one predicted to win because at that point the final rose ceremony hadn't happened yet.

As for Vanessa crying on the group date, this is probably an unpopular opinion, but I kind of get where she's coming from. Yes, we know she's one of the frontrunners but it couldn't have been easy for her to see Nick devote so much time to the Corinne/Taylor drama etc. I would think at that point she would do whatever it took to get extra time with him. IDK , like I said her actions on the group date coming up don't really bother me that much. It is still somewhat a game at this point.

I don't think it's even anything to do with the Taylor/Corinne drama. They had an amazing date, then she's only seen him on group dates since and for both group dates, he didn't give her the group date rose. And now, a week or so before HTD (I think. The timeline with the show can be so confusing) she's on a group date where losing a volleyball game determines that she won't spend any more time that day with him.

For the record, yes, I know that's the show she signed up for and that other women were going through the same thing and I'm not saying the tears and complaining were not whiny. But in this weird environment where all of these people are so stockholmed to heighten their emotions, yeah I can see her hitting a breaking point. I imagine with their upcoming 1 on 1, then they immediately went from that to HTD, the F3 so every time she has with him is just the two of them, things were probably much easier for her.

I'm going to include others outside the F3 in my assessment. I think Nick had great choices! Many seem to be great young ladies.

With that being said, in my time watching this crazy show, I've never seen two people connect on every level on first date the way Nick and Vanessa did. Not just from all the 1-1 this season, any of them. So, I'm in Sharlene's corner with that opinion.

Have a good weekend, everyone! I'm heading to blue waters and listening to the waves roll in from our back deck by the ocean. I will leave the dissecting of Vanessa to you guys for a bit!

Yea Vanessa isn't part of ravens clique, V is best friends with Danielle , Taylor , Kristen and christen . While raven is close to Astrid, Whitney, Sarah and Alexis

cmarci93 wrote:Yea Vanessa isn't part of ravens clique, V is best friends with Danielle , Taylor , Kristen and christen . While raven is close to Astrid, Whitney, Sarah and Alexis

Kristen lives in Nashville and joined the girls weekend for only a few hours on Sunday aft.
I agree that Vanessa, Dani M, and Taylor bonded. I think Jaimi was also close to Vanessa based on some SM.

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notarose wrote:

cmarci93 wrote:Yea Vanessa isn't part of ravens clique, V is best friends with Danielle , Taylor , Kristen and christen . While raven is close to Astrid, Whitney, Sarah and Alexis

Kristen lives in Nashville and joined the girls weekend for only a few hours on Sunday aft.  
I agree that Vanessa, Dani M, and Taylor bonded.  I think Jaimi was also close to Vanessa based on some SM.

I think that Danielle M, Vanessa, and Taylor were one "clique" and the NYE reunion girls, Rachel, Astrid, Raven, Alexis, Kristina, Sarah, and Whitney were another. It doesn't seem like any of them hated each or anything, as I've seen them all interact and post on SM, but you can tell who is closer. For example, Kristina put up an IG dedicated to Rachel, Rachel put up IG for sarah and Astrid, Alexis and Raven are always talking about each other on IG and so forth. IMO.

I think Kristina is mutual and christen to is mutual bc they hangout with both groups.
Also after the girls left Nashville , Jamie and Josephine came to visit christen in Nashville

Sarah is already in the bachelor family group now bc of Amanda being her neighbor and then Danielle M and wells are good friends too during the show

And hailey she's good friends with Daniel from Vancouver