Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4

nikikass wrote:Be prepared for a hidden video of Nick and Kaitlyn tonight looking cozy being leaked.

I honestly feel that is going to happen Fleiss will pull out all stops to add to the confusion.

I don't think they need a video, but if they can get one even better. There are tons of posts on his IG already that Kaitlyn is in Chicago to be with Nick. TPTB have done their job.

Beagle wrote:

nikikass wrote:Be prepared for a hidden video of Nick and Kaitlyn tonight looking cozy being leaked.

I honestly feel that is going to happen Fleiss will pull out all stops to add to the confusion.

I don't think they need a video, but if they can get one even better. There are tons of posts on his IG already that Kaitlyn is in Chicago to be with Nick. TPTB have done their job.

Yep, just in case anyone questioned where Nick was the last two days, look at his IG account...the last three posts are clearly marked - I'm in Chicago. While Nick probably did not agree to post a snapchat of him with Kaitlyn canoodling in bed to counter that taken with Shawn, he did play ball and post that he clearly was in Chicago the past two days. Let the unsuspecting fans speculate away!

MVMom, IDK, but I would presume Kaitlyn actually leaked it accidentally and took it off soon after ... but by then it already spread on SM ... and then different gossip/entertainment sites started to report it ... If I recall correctly E! was pretty late in the game to report the news, they even waited for TPTB to release a statement ... and then by Saturday afternoon all the outlets were headlining the information ... while TPTB already flew Kaitlyn to Chicago and made sure for Shawn to be publicly seen in Nashville with Cupcake.
- so TPTB had all Saturday morning to arrange the diversion - maybe the rescue-plan was in their drawer all along for the occasion like this or the heads didn't have much sleep on Friday night.
- still the media questions the authenticity, as do some fans, just like many (including me) questioned last year's Cheetos video ... but then we got the answer ... it was as simple as that.

happygolucky wrote:MVMom, IDK, but I would presume Kaitlyn actually leaked it accidentally and took it off soon after ... but by then it already spread on SM ... and then different gossip/entertainment sites started to report it ... If I recall correctly E! was pretty late in the game to report the news, they even waited for TPTB to release a statement ... and then by Saturday afternoon all the outlets were headlining the information ... while TPTB already flew Kaitlyn to Chicago and made sure for Shawn to be publicly seen in Nashville with Cupcake.
- so TPTB had all Saturday morning to arrange the diversion - maybe the rescue-plan was in their drawer all along for the occasion like this or the heads didn't have much sleep on Friday night.
- still the media questions the authenticity, as do some fans, just like many (including me) questioned last year's Cheetos video ... but then we got the answer ... it was as simple as that.

Thanks! I am literally just coming out of unspoiled land so not following any of the diversions that took place after with Kaitlyn going to Chicago and Shawn with Cupcake on other side of country (and I have always thought Cupcake was Bachelor pick).

I tend to think that things on this show never happen just be accident but maybe that's indeed the case. Maybe this time a screw up really did occur.

Gosh, but two seasons in a row of a spoiled season thanks to screw ups that got leaked on SM?? How do these people function?

I'm with you HGL. Fool me once, ok, not twice. Not questioning the video.

I think it's as simple as she leaked it... my first impulse was she did it accidentally on purpose, meaning, consciously it was accidental, but unconsciously on purpose... it was her only way to stop the sl*t shaming conversation.... which (not) miraculously is done. Convenient.

But like MVMom, I'm also not worried about Nick. He's a smart cookie, looking good and hope and assume he's getting a big payday even if he went on for love... (which I think he did.) Either way, I'm sure the exposure helps his business ...

Forget Free Nick; How about Free Nick Fans!!

^^^SueSt!! Love it!! Yes, I definitely feel free, which is a good thing.

So funny ... just waiting to see as Rolly noted up thread (or in some thread) what TPTB are going to do next.

Cra-zy season ahead.

SueSt wrote:I'm with you HGL.  Fool me once, ok, not twice.  Not questioning the video.

I think it's as simple as she leaked it... my first impulse was she did it accidentally on purpose, meaning, consciously it was accidental, but unconsciously on purpose... it was her only way to stop the sl*t shaming conversation.... which (not) miraculously is done.  Convenient.

But like MVMom, I'm also not worried about Nick.  He's a smart cookie, looking good and hope and assume he's getting a big payday even if he went on for love...  (which I think he did.)  Either way, I'm sure the exposure helps his business ...

Forget Free Nick; How about Free Nick Fans!!  

Hmm, I can kind of see this, she's been almost cracking recently, fav'ing thing about finding her true love, talking about the guy being the one in her blog, etc. So maybe a part of her did do it accidentally-on purpose for people to see she's not single and is with her f1.

However, we still don't know who sex guy is, so if it's not Shawn and it's Nick, that conversation is going to start all over again after next week's ep if Steve is right. He was so wrong on "what happened with Shawn" though, I'm hoping he's wrong on this also.

SueSt wrote:Forget Free Nick; How about Free Nick Fans!!

:Nod: ... should come with the warning sign #TeamMcSaltyOnTheLoose ... so whoever can't handle this "bundle of joy" should run, fast that is, 'coz Hurricane Nick comes in package with this Winkie Country :winkie:

Alanna wrote:Hmm, I can kind of see this, she's been almost cracking recently, fav'ing thing about finding her true love, talking about the guy being the one in her blog, etc. So maybe a part of her did do it accidentally-on purpose for people to see she's not single and is with her f1.

However, we still don't know who sex guy is, so if it's not Shawn and it's Nick, that conversation is going to start all over again after next week's ep if Steve is right. He was so wrong on "what happened with Shawn" though, I'm hoping he's wrong on this also.

ITA - things are going to heat up no matter who sex guy is because outside of RS's spoilers, Kaitlyn has basically said in interviews that she did have sex "prematurely" with one of the guys. I think it's probable that she also had sex with all of the guys that got a FD so that firestorm is going to flash back. I keep thinking that we saw some clips of Kaitlyn crying in the season opener preview, and Kaitlyn answer the question of what surprised her the most by saying it was "How much I cried". So - the drama isn't over yet - and my gut tells me some drama to come is the result of the premature sex.

When I first read the RS spoiler that she picked no one my very first reaction was "this isn't over yet". To be honest I felt that way because if Nick pulled a "Nick" (if a "Mesnick" is an emotional outburst and crying over a railing because of letting someone they care about go, then a "Nick" is continuing to pursue someone that has already rejected them once) he would spend the time after the FRC and right up to the ATFR trying to rekindle a chance with Kaitlyn and the show would use that to get viewers for the ATFR just to see what Nick does this time. That is, IMO, one of the two primary reasons they brought Nick back - the other one being the drama he creates when mixed in with a bunch of guys chasing one woman.

IMO it's certainly possible that Shawn was F1 at the FRC and because of the possibility of a "Nick" (by the inventor of the genre) TPTB chose this season to plant a foiler that she picked no one - which really sets the stage well for a "Nick" at the ATFR. But it's also possible that Shawn wasn't F1 at the FRC and that he and Kaitlyn connected sometime after then. So far I don't feel like I have enough information to rule that possibility out.

^^^^ I don't know what to believe...maybe she did reject a proposal from him but said said she wanted to date both out of the bubble and he took it as a sign and said nah thanks. that left it open for Shawn and whether he proposed or not he was cool with dating. just because RS says Nuck proposed and was rejected doesn't mean that's how it really went down especially in lieu of snapchatgate.

I say FreeNick from everything Bach. Heck, I even wish he would stop live tweeting. Tonight is Hawks game night so hopefully he will be happily watching his city win a championship. 
Get back to why he went back to the show: now I think about it, why not? He was interested in Kaitlyn but they live in two different cities/countries. Why not go on the show where all date expenses will be paid? What could be worse than the firs round? Heartbroken? Been there and he knew he would recover. Hated by nonfans? He doesn't care.

sdmom wrote:I say FreeNick from everything Bach. Heck, I even wish he would stop live tweeting. Tonight is Hawks game night so hopefully he will be happily watching his city win a championship. 
Get back to why he went back to the show: now I think about it, why not? He was interested in Kaitlyn but they live in two different cities/countries. Why not go on the show where all date expenses will be paid? What could be worse than the firs round? Heartbroken? Been there and he knew he would recover. Hated by nonfans? He doesn't care.

I think that tptb either planted the seed in Nick's mind or watered it -- the way the dates have been planned out until now have been far too convenient for his coming onto the show not being pre-planned.
I think it is definitely combined with Nick's sincere intentions though -- I don't believe either K or N are good enough actors to pull of THAT sort of chemistry.

Also just in regards to the AFTR, if Nick is indeed the pre-FS guy (which I believe he is due to his lust edit), I really don't think he will ask about it. IMO, the context is totally different -- obviously it was an impulsive decision and not something that was thought about or planned like the FS itself, feelings of love haven't developed and I don't believe K is really the overbearing dominant in the relationship like Andi was (which I think actually played a role in AFTR confirmation last year -- had it been a different type of persona, I don't think he would have asked his q)