Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4

harts5 wrote:Sorry everyone...late to the discussion...but why exactly do we think that Nick and Kaitlyn aren't engaged?....because of RS? is that it?

GuardianAngel wrote:

harts5 wrote:Sorry everyone...late to the discussion...but why exactly do we think that Nick and Kaitlyn aren't engaged?....because of RS? is that it?

There are some that think that due to RS's info, and others who continue to sleuth to try and figure out what happened at the FRC since RS doesn't know.

ETA: let me re word that. Others continue to sleuth out what happened at the FRC since RS doesn't know and some sleuthers don't care what he says.

GuardianAngel wrote:

harts5 wrote:Sorry everyone...late to the discussion...but why exactly do we think that Nick and Kaitlyn aren't engaged?....because of RS? is that it?

There are some that think that due to RS's info, and others who continue to sleuth to try and figure out what happened at the FRC since RS doesn't know.

ETA: let me re word that. Others continue to sleuth out what happened at the FRC since RS doesn't know and some sleuthers don't care what he says.

Lucas15 wrote:

OnePromise wrote:Very true Lucas... But she still has the choice.  Not saying it is an easy one.  But, if that was the scenario she had, she still chose selfishly, she chose her self preservation over Nick.  Not saying I would chose any differently.

Not saying I would choose differently either. Sometimes when you think "I wouldn't do that for all the tea in China", you find out your bottom line is really that you'd do it for a paycheck if that's what you need to survive. You might not feel good about it, but you might do it.

My point really was that IMO I can't say that Kaitlyn wouldn't do something because I can't say what pressures she might have been under or even what lies she might have been told. For example - they might have told Kaitlyn after they knew that she was not going to choose Nick as F1 that they wanted her to film a scene where he would propose and she would reject his proposal. And when she balked at doing that, they might have told her "Look - Nick knows you're going to reject him - we told him you were. We just need some dramatic footage because we want him to be the next bachelor so do him this favor and let us get some great footage so he has a great season." Of course they would have been lying to her because they wouldn't have told Nick any such thing - they would have told Nick "she wants a proposal because she wants to marry you. You're F1 my friend. You're going to have beautiful babies - invite me to your wedding."

BKay wrote:Now if only Nick or Shawn would post a pic obviously in a climate like AZ, standing over a grill where food for two is laid out. A little 1F action would be welcome!

docnash14 wrote:To underscore your point, Lucas, I am reminded of the famous, or more appropriately infamous but nonetheless classic, research study on obedience  conducted by Yale psychologist Stanley Milgram in the early 1960's.  What $4 and the call to obedience made these research participants do (or at least were led to believe they did) would make your hair stand on end.  I just heard about a recent replication study which unnervingly had similar results.

ironcat wrote:Haven't we heard that the producers/handlers are MASTERS in the devious art of psychological manipulation?  I don't believe they ham-handedly threaten anybody to do anything, but rather, suggest, coerce, needle, bribe and whatnot, so by the end of it, the "victim" probably thinks it was really their only option, and sometimes even their own idea!  And on top of this, we have the whole "Stockholm Syndrome" thing going on, so they actually trust and rely on production and believe they are looking out for their best interests.

If Kaitlyn really did allow Nick to propose and then rejected him, I'm sure she was also given some BS reason why doing this would be good for Nick (who also may have been coerced into proposing when he really wasn't ready).  And after the fact, if they truly had been good friends previously, I could see her feeling bad, realizing how much she hurt him, and reaching out to him privately without the producers' knowledge/consent and explaining how she had been misled, resulting in them patching up their friendship.  That would explain why he is now so supportive of her on SM, because they realize they were BOTH victims of the big bad producers.