Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4
Good post, ironcat. Makes a lot of sense. IA with Kasha!ironcat wrote:Haven't we heard that the producers/handlers are MASTERS in the devious art of psychological manipulation? I don't believe they ham-handedly threaten anybody to do anything, but rather, suggest, coerce, needle, bribe and whatnot, so by the end of it, the "victim" probably thinks it was really their only option, and sometimes even their own idea! And on top of this, we have the whole "Stockholm Syndrome" thing going on, so they actually trust and rely on production and believe they are looking out for their best interests.
If Kaitlyn really did allow Nick to propose and then rejected him, I'm sure she was also given some BS reason why doing this would be good for Nick (who also may have been coerced into proposing when he really wasn't ready). And after the fact, if they truly had been good friends previously, I could see her feeling bad, realizing how much she hurt him, and reaching out to him privately without the producers' knowledge/consent and explaining how she had been misled, resulting in them patching up their friendship. That would explain why he is now so supportive of her on SM, because they realize they were BOTH victims of the big bad producers.
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4
fabgirl wrote:I have been a long time fan of Nick and it is so sad that he is being portrayed in a negative light. I for some reason feel like he may be a smokescreen to shawn and kaitlyn relationship. Not sure yet were the edit will go.No denying their chemistry is off the charts thus far, is it love or lust is the question they are asking from bachelor perspective. I hope he gets his happy ending at least he pursued his look for love with kaitlyn and followed his heart.Nick seems to be a very kind and passionate person with strong attributes for any woman to desire. Kaitlyn will have a hard decision until the end and may be overwhelming for her at the final rose. I like kaitlyn when she is with nick being herself.Shawn's edit reminds me of JP, so it makes it hard to decide who will be f1. Wishing nick the best.With the editing of Nick right now and blogs overconfident CH comments game over, makes me think nick will be f2. Things may change throught as the episodes are shown. LOVE THEM TOGETHER.
Good post, fabgirl. Take comfort in the fact that Nick seems happy now. Whatever happened, it's all just part of his journey.
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4
Lucas15 wrote:ironcat wrote:Haven't we heard that the producers/handlers are MASTERS in the devious art of psychological manipulation? I don't believe they ham-handedly threaten anybody to do anything, but rather, suggest, coerce, needle, bribe and whatnot, so by the end of it, the "victim" probably thinks it was really their only option, and sometimes even their own idea! And on top of this, we have the whole "Stockholm Syndrome" thing going on, so they actually trust and rely on production and believe they are looking out for their best interests.
If Kaitlyn really did allow Nick to propose and then rejected him, I'm sure she was also given some BS reason why doing this would be good for Nick (who also may have been coerced into proposing when he really wasn't ready). And after the fact, if they truly had been good friends previously, I could see her feeling bad, realizing how much she hurt him, and reaching out to him privately without the producers' knowledge/consent and explaining how she had been misled, resulting in them patching up their friendship. That would explain why he is now so supportive of her on SM, because they realize they were BOTH victims of the big bad producers.
I would agree with nearly 100% of all you've posted with one tiny exception - which is that they have also threatened - probably as a last resort - when suggestion and other less drastic methods haven't worked. I always approach the subject of producer manipulation with the mindset that there's almost nothing that they won't do, though physical torture is probably off the table.
ETA: Docnash14 I just read a synopsis of the Stanley Milgram experiment and concluded that I may have been wrong - physical torture may not be off the table (just kidding). It's a chilling experiment with chilling results to say the least.
Lucas, as you likely read, the physical torture was feigned. The participants were led to believe that they were electrically shocking other volunteers whenever them missed an answer to a question, albeit the "students" were really confederates in the study. Almost 2/3rds of the "teachers" thought they were issuing the final most massive shock of 450 volts even though doing so caused them extreme physiological distress. As you also probably read, Dr. Milgram conducted this study on the heels of the starts of the Nazi war trials in an attempt to understand the group think that led to the holocaust. I am going to try to embed a video of the replication study, in case you might be interested.
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4
Been a pretty slow couple days on SM for both Kaitlyn and Nick. Wonder if they are together......
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4
i was asking if anyone has any sightings or what the sightings were this week where's blu when you need her?
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4
@alyssalipuma: Not sure what I like more: Parlor pizza, @viallnicholas28 with a beard, or this Blackhawks win #alloftheabove
This was posted Wednesday, 6/10. Possibly meant she saw him at Parlor pizza bar?
This was posted Wednesday, 6/10. Possibly meant she saw him at Parlor pizza bar?
"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree"~ Martin Luther
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4
i think shes just comparing these
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Head to media thread! K is caught in bed with Shawn on snapchat.
Game over.
I don't think I want to watch it anymore. Well, at least he can move on.
Game over.
I don't think I want to watch it anymore. Well, at least he can move on.
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4
sdmom wrote:Head to media thread! K is caught in bed with Shawn on snapchat.
Game over.
I don't think I want to watch it anymore. Well, at least he can move on.
I absolutely hate that she took him to F2. I know he put himself in it again, but after last season I wish she would have rem what he went thru .. and taken Ben to F2. But May have been tptb call.
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4
Yeah it'll really suck if she brought him to the end again only to pick someone else but much as I like Nick, I can't feel too sorry for him. I thought it was a mistake to put himself through this show again and well, it is what it is. That said, this latest bombshell is just making me question even more that Nick is who Kaitlyn sleeps with pre-FS. If RS really is totally wrong as this snapchat suggests and Kaitlyn did pick someone, it's more than possible he's wrong about the pre-FS sex as well.
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4
I was tossing around the idea earlier that Shawn was the pre-FS guy and when she told Nick he couldn't handle it. Which would have fit with the spoilers that ALL had earlier about Nick causing trouble for the producers around week seven when sex-gate supposedly happened. Maybe he really left the show and the producers convinced him to come back just to put on a show. Would explain why they didn't involve the final guys' actual hometowns and whole families. Nick would not have wanted that if he knew she wasn't going to pick him in the end. Or maybe he came back just to give her the benefit of the doubt. Who knows?
Either way, I am not loving the fact that she brought him to F2, let him propose knowing she wasn't going to chose him. It's disappointing to say the least. I'm happy for Shawn and Kaitlyn, but feel bad for Nick.
Either way, I am not loving the fact that she brought him to F2, let him propose knowing she wasn't going to chose him. It's disappointing to say the least. I'm happy for Shawn and Kaitlyn, but feel bad for Nick.
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Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4
I am sorry for Nick but look at it this way he can move on with his life if he meet someone right now he dont have to hide at all.
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