Nick Viall - Bachelorette 11 - *Spoilers - Sleuthing* - Discussion #4

Without thinking about the end of this story, I am immensely looking forward to Kaitlyn and Nick's one on one date in Dublin. I want to like Shawn but am just not there yet. Just in case Dublin ends up being the highlight of the season for me, I might even watch twice

Kaitlyn probably didn't need to be jet-lagged and full of Guinness to cross this line.

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:Without thinking about the end of this story, I am immensely looking forward to Kaitlyn and Nick's one on one date in Dublin. I want to like Shawn but am just not there yet. Just in case Dublin ends up being the highlight of the season for me, I might even watch twice

Kaitlyn probably didn't need to be jet-lagged and full of Guinness to cross this line.

I thought I was the only one! I just really like the dynamic and chemistry between Nick and Kaitlyn and their relationship doesn't seem as Bachelor-bubbly to me. I was kind of upset that we didn't get to see too much Kaitlyn/Nick interaction last episode, as it mostly just focused on the drama between the guys. I also really liked Shawn at the meet and greet and even thought he was really funny at the rap battle; I think his attitude towards Nick and Kaitlyn's decision this last episode to keep him kind of turned me off, but I hope I see the "old" Shawn again.

I've already watched all of Nick/Kaitlyn's scenes like 5 times each, so I'm sure I'll be watching their 1-on-1 multiple times, haha.

I'm not a Nick fan ( no kidding, right?) but I'm not Kait. I do think he and Kait clearly have a fun friendship and obviously more since she slept with him, so I'm looking forward to their date, just not the hookup after. They seem similar so I'm really interested to see what goes south after she already put so much on the line to bring him on and even sleep with him at first opportunity.

chasingpavements If I actually read all of the billion posts I would probably agree with all of yours!

I like Kaitlyn and I like Nick and even if they don't end up together, I am looking forward to seeing their relationship. I can't help but feel even if the romance didn't take, the friendship and the bond did take.

I don't know if Nick is still clinging to a sliver of hope, but I am

I don't discredit what Kaitlyn and Shawn have at this point, they just haven't let us see it. It's much easier for me to feel like I know Nick. I'm not sure who Shawn is yet.

Alanna wrote:I'm not a Nick fan ( no kidding, right?) but I'm not Kait. I do think he and Kait clearly have a fun friendship and obviously more since she slept with him, so I'm looking forward to their date, just not the hookup after. They seem similar so I'm really interested to see what goes south after she already put so much on the line to bring him on and even sleep with him at first opportunity.

Alanna are you not dying to know if Kaitlyn has already been intimate with Shawn? For me, if Kaitlyn has already been intimate with Shawn, that would be WAY sooner in the relationship than being intimate with Nick in Dublin. Kaitlyn has spent a couple months getting to know Nick and has spent literally hours getting to know Shawn. If the "Big Secret" that is revealed is relating to Shawn and Kaitlyn, it makes it all the more curious to me that she can't control herself with Nick.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that Kaitlyn genuinely has feelings for both men and has not made up her mind at this stage.

I don't think the spoilers are wrong though, unfortunately (for me) and the sex guy is Nick.

I have mixed emotions on this. I really felt for Nick last season and what he went through but I just have not been able to bring myself to root for him this season. I still like him and he may very well had no choice but to return but I really wished he would have stayed off tv and that if he did return it would not bring so much controversy. It seems sometimes like this is all a big storyboard planned ahead of time and we have last seasons most controversial characters in on it. I think it would have easier had we not seen her telling Shawn that she was falling too as opposed to remaining silent but where would the drama be then?

Alanna wrote:I don't think the spoilers are wrong though, unfortunately (for me) and the sex guy is Nick.

I also think Nick is "Sex Guy", but the preview alludes to a shocking secret shared only by the Bachelorette and one guy. To me this is likely something that happened between Kaitlyn and Shawn, and something they will refer back to that was not shown in "real" time. I think they will show Shawn refer back to something Kaitlyn said or "did" prior to Dublin that will justify Shawn's understanding of the level of commitment between he and Kaitlyn.

In any case, I imagine the waters to be muddier than we've imagined. They let so much out around this episode so early in the season it can only be that they have more surprises in store than we've seen.

I am hopeful we will get a preview of the second half of the season. Some new screen caps would be great.

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:I also think Nick is "Sex Guy", but the preview alludes to a shocking secret shared only by the Bachelorette and one guy. To me this is likely something that happened between Kaitlyn and Shawn, and something they will refer back to that was not shown in "real" time. I think they will show Shawn refer back to something Kaitlyn said or "did" prior to Dublin that will justify Shawn's understanding of the level of commitment between he and Kaitlyn.

In any case, I imagine the waters to be muddier than we've imagined. They let so much out around this episode so early in the season it can only be that they have more surprises in store than we've seen.

I agree - but so often a "shocking secret" turns out to be not so shocking after all. I do think the shocking secret is between Kaitlyn and Shawn but it could be no more that she told him she loved him.

Lucas15 wrote:

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:I also think Nick is "Sex Guy", but the preview alludes to a shocking secret shared only by the Bachelorette and one guy. To me this is likely something that happened between Kaitlyn and Shawn, and something they will refer back to that was not shown in "real" time. I think they will show Shawn refer back to something Kaitlyn said or "did" prior to Dublin that will justify Shawn's understanding of the level of commitment between he and Kaitlyn.

In any case, I imagine the waters to be muddier than we've imagined. They let so much out around this episode so early in the season it can only be that they have more surprises in store than we've seen.

I agree - but so often a "shocking secret" turns out to be not so shocking after all. I do think the shocking secret is between Kaitlyn and Shawn but it could be no more that she told him she loved him.

Yikes! I find that more misleading than if she had sex with him. So for me, more shocking!

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:Yikes! I find that more misleading than if she had sex with him. So for me, more shocking!

It would certainly be misleading if she said that and didn't pick him. But if he's the one she picked - would it really be misleading? Or would it be true - just premature? How would that be any different that Ashley telling JP she loved him - quite early in the show (albeit later than this point) but well before the FRC?

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:Without thinking about the end of this story, I am immensely looking forward to Kaitlyn and Nick's one on one date in Dublin. I want to like Shawn but am just not there yet. Just in case Dublin ends up being the highlight of the season for me, I might even watch twice

Kaitlyn probably didn't need to be jet-lagged and full of Guinness to cross this line.

I am too! They seem to have a very easy way about them, almost like little kids around one another. Looking forward to their date and enjoying the ride either way.