Andi Dorfman - The Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - #2

nannymargie wrote:

StacyNor wrote:

eliza3 wrote:I just watched the red carpet interview again.  While Andi did talk most of the time, Josh also talked about wanting to calm down and spend time together when asked about the wedding.   So she isn't the only one the deceived people but she seems to be the only one who is getting called out for it.

Maybe it is because Andi has terrible history with Eric, JPG and Nick.

I think he is at fault too but from what I read in blogs and magz people are blaming Andi. Lets hope for her sake her interview does not do worse damage.

Andi can't win with some people no matter what she does.  This could be the best interview and some people will slam  her for it anyway.

People say Andi is a daddy's girl but they seem to forget Josh is a mama's boy.

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So true, he is :babies:

nannymargie wrote:

StacyNor wrote:

eliza3 wrote:I just watched the red carpet interview again.  While Andi did talk most of the time, Josh also talked about wanting to calm down and spend time together when asked about the wedding.   So she isn't the only one the deceived people but she seems to be the only one who is getting called out for it.

Maybe it is because Andi has terrible history with Eric, JPG and Nick.

I think he is at fault too but from what I read in blogs and magz people are blaming Andi. Lets hope for her sake her interview does not do worse damage.

Andi can't win with some people no matter what she does.  This could be the best interview and some people will slam  her for it anyway.

People say Andi is a daddy's girl but they seem to forget Josh is a mama's boy.

And with some people she can do no wrong. Different strokes.

They both may be attached to their families more than some, but, MM had cancer and her family thought they may lose her. I understand a child growing closer to a parent as a result.

If Andi did not act so spoiled and entitled, jumping on anyone when they dare question her, she would not have as many people on her case. She has been given lots of opportunities to act gracious and yet, I have yet to see her take one. She is getting another opportunity on Sunday. Maybe she has learned, but forgive me if I remain sceptical based on her track record.

If you are basing Josh's close attachment to his mother because of her cancer. Shouldn't it also apply to Denny who had his set of challenges as well? And no, I don't think Andi has acted spoiled or entitled throughout the breakup. I think she has been very gracious and hasn't said a word to anyone about it on SM. Now ABC has asked her to talk about it, I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt that she will be. Because I expect the best and not the worst from people. However, as I have said in another post, this would be the litmus test for me in terms of my solidarity to this couple and the personalities going forward.

It always throws me for a loop a bit when I see comments about a third party potentially causing the break up or that Josh did it for his mother essentially because he's a mama's boy.

Apparently, Josh seemingly giving up his family for almost 6 months to be with Andi and Andi's family just wasn't enough. We got so many pictures, tweets, etc. showing Josh with Andi almost everyday and the same can be said for the Dorfman's. They saw the Murray's what? Twice in a six month span not counting their trips to Tampa before Christmas and KC when their relationship was really starting to break.

To me, looking on the outside with no inside knowledge, it seems Andi's ex-fiance worked really hard to please her and that included letting go of his family for half a year. At some point, there's got to be some compromise and it seems to me Andi didn't have much to give or when she finally started to towards the end it was too late.

I don't think Sprite was necessarily meaning Andi had acted spoiled or entitled in reference to the breakup specifically, but more as a general statement towards Andi's behavior overall, over the last year that she's graced everyone's tv.  And I tend to agree. Sprite can correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I read the post. 

Personally, I don't think that being skeptical of one's behavior based on their past actions, is looking for or expecting the worst of people.  I personally am more of a glass half full, hope for the best type person, but I tend to be skeptical of people that have a repeated history of saying, doing or acting certain ways.  In many cases, I hope they prove me wrong, and will gladly admit it when they do, but until they do I remain skeptical. JMO though...

In the interest of keeping my posts short: Fire up the Jiffy Pop! Monday's only 4 days away!

What I find difficult is that I have observed/read a very small part of Andi's actually life…only a few hours on TV for a few months and social media posts and articles many of which are from rags. What I find interesting is that while the rags and several blogs are totally erroneous, it still can put ideas in ones head about what Andi is like. I'm guilty of making some judgements, both good and bad about her but don't always stop to think how and from where I formed that opinion

aviej wrote:If you are basing Josh's close attachment to his mother because of her cancer. Shouldn't it also apply to Denny who had his set of challenges as well? And no, I don't think Andi has acted spoiled or entitled throughout the breakup. I think she has been very gracious and hasn't said a word to anyone about it on SM. Now ABC has asked her to talk about it, I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt that she will be. Because I expect the best and not the worst from people. However, as I have said in another post, this would be the litmus test for me in terms of my solidarity to this couple and the personalities going forward.

Just to clarify, as someone who is actually published in the field of cancer research, Denny had two very treatable forms of cancer with very low overall mortality rates. MM had brain cancer, that word sends fear into every medical professional and researchers heart that I know. Almost all forms of brain cancer are incredibly lethal. Trust me I have friends who lost their loved one very quickly to this, so I know first hand. It is truly one of the scariest.

This is a true pet peeve of mine, not all cancers are the same. So nope, what MM went through is 100 times scarier then what Denny went through, and while I don't know this for a fact, I can interpret it from other data I do know.

Ash2214 wrote:It always throws me for a loop a bit when I see the many posts about a third party potentially causing the break up or that Josh did it for his mother essentially because he's a mama's boy.

Apparently, Josh seemingly giving up his family for almost 6 months to be with Andi and Andi's family just wasn't enough? We got so many pictures, tweets, etc. showing Josh with Andi almost everyday and the same can be said for the Dorfman's. They saw the Murray's what? Twice in a six month span not counting their trips to Tampa before Christmas and KC when their relationship was really starting to break.

To me, looking on the outside with no inside knowledge, it seems Andi's ex-fiance worked really hard to please her and that included letting go of his family for half a year. At some point, there's got to be some compromise and it seems to me Andi didn't have much to give or when she finally started to towards the end it was too late.

Neither one of these two should have to give up their families. If the family is part of the incompatibility problem, then they should not be together. If either set of parents are the problem, then they maybe didn't belong together. You shouldn't have to give up one love for another. Simple as that.

Key difference to me is that I see all the Murrays reaching out to do good for others. I have never seen once anything about any Dorfman reaching out to do good for others except when Andi was doing it to be with Josh. All I have seen of Hy is him lying that he didn't know who Josh was (please, any UGA fan worth their weight would look at Josh and the last name Murray and see a family connection at least) and that his princess Pokie was perfect and that the men were wrong. No one is perfect, not me, not you, not Josh and not Andi. When parents don't let children grow and learn from their mistakes they actually hurt their children. I don't know if Hy has done this, but I don't respect the Hy I have seen at all.

To quote Ashley, are we comparing sad stories now? 

Who's Denny?

bleuberry wrote:To quote Ashley, are we comparing sad stories now? 

Who's Denny?

Denny is Josh's father. He has had two types of cancer. MM had brain cancer. I will be happy to PM anyone who wants to know specifics about different types of cancer.

Ash2214 wrote:It always throws me for a loop a bit when I see comments about a third party potentially causing the break up or that Josh did it for his mother essentially because he's a mama's boy.

Apparently, Josh seemingly giving up his family for almost 6 months to be with Andi and Andi's family just wasn't enough. We got so many pictures, tweets, etc. showing Josh with Andi almost everyday and the same can be said for the Dorfman's. They saw the Murray's what? Twice in a six month span not counting their trips to Tampa before Christmas and KC when their relationship was really starting to break.

To me, looking on the outside with no inside knowledge, it seems Andi's ex-fiance worked really hard to please her and that included letting go of his family for half a year. At some point, there's got to be some compromise and it seems to me Andi didn't have much to give or when she finally started to towards the end it was too late.

Lets not forget that Andi's family lives in the same town where Josh's is 6-8 hours away. Josh and Andi did get together with the Murray's when they came to Athens for football games. So just because they didn't go to Tampa doesn't mean they didn't see them and spend time with the Murray's.

nannymargie wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:It always throws me for a loop a bit when I see comments about a third party potentially causing the break up or that Josh did it for his mother essentially because he's a mama's boy.

Apparently, Josh seemingly giving up his family for almost 6 months to be with Andi and Andi's family just wasn't enough. We got so many pictures, tweets, etc. showing Josh with Andi almost everyday and the same can be said for the Dorfman's. They saw the Murray's what? Twice in a six month span not counting their trips to Tampa before Christmas and KC when their relationship was really starting to break.

To me, looking on the outside with no inside knowledge, it seems Andi's ex-fiance worked really hard to please her and that included letting go of his family for half a year. At some point, there's got to be some compromise and it seems to me Andi didn't have much to give or when she finally started to towards the end it was too late.

Lets not forget that Andi's family lives in the same town where Josh's is 6-8 hours away.  Josh and Andi did get together with the Murray's when they came to Athens for football games. So just because they didn't go to Tampa doesn't mean they didn't see them and spend time with the Murray's.

And left early to go to a concert with Andi's friends. I was annoyed by this at the time and was poo-pooed. And I know that when I lived close to one set of parents and not the other, when the other was in town, my then boyfriend and I didn't make plans with friends, we spent the time with the family who had traveled to be near us.