Andi Dorfman - The Bachelorette 10 - Discussion - #2

stuckinsc wrote:

aviej wrote:If you are basing Josh's close attachment to his mother because of her cancer. Shouldn't it also apply to Denny who had his set of challenges as well? And no, I don't think Andi has acted spoiled or entitled throughout the breakup. I think she has been very gracious and hasn't said a word to anyone about it on SM. Now ABC has asked her to talk about it, I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt that she will be. Because I expect the best and not the worst from people. However, as I have said in another post, this would be the litmus test for me in terms of my solidarity to this couple and the personalities going forward.

Just to clarify, as someone who is actually published in the field of cancer research, Denny had two very treatable forms of cancer with very low overall mortality rates.  MM had brain cancer, that word sends fear into every medical professional and researchers heart that I know. Almost all forms of brain cancer are incredibly lethal.  Trust me I have friends who lost their loved one very quickly to this, so I know first hand.  It is truly one of the scariest.  

This is a true pet peeve of mine, not all cancers are the same.  So nope, what MM went through is 100 times scarier then what Denny went through, and while I don't know this for a fact, I can interpret it from other data I do know.  

Ash2214 wrote:It always throws me for a loop a bit when I see the many posts about a third party potentially causing the break up or that Josh did it for his mother essentially because he's a mama's boy.

Apparently, Josh seemingly giving up his family for almost 6 months to be with Andi and Andi's family just wasn't enough? We got so many pictures, tweets, etc. showing Josh with Andi almost everyday and the same can be said for the Dorfman's. They saw the Murray's what? Twice in a six month span not counting their trips to Tampa before Christmas and KC when their relationship was really starting to break.

To me, looking on the outside with no inside knowledge, it seems Andi's ex-fiance worked really hard to please her and that included letting go of his family for half a year. At some point, there's got to be some compromise and it seems to me Andi didn't have much to give or when she finally started to towards the end it was too late.

Neither one of these two should have to give up their families.  If the family is part of the incompatibility problem, then they should not be together.    If either set of parents are the problem, then they maybe didn't belong together.  You shouldn't have to give up one love for another.  Simple as that.

Key difference to me is that I see all the Murrays reaching out to do good for others. I have never seen once anything about any Dorfman reaching out to do good for others except when Andi was doing it to be with Josh.  All I have seen of Hy is him lying that he didn't know who Josh was (please, any UGA fan worth their weight would look at Josh and the last name Murray and see a family connection at least) and that his princess Pokie was perfect and that the men were wrong.  No one is perfect, not me, not you, not Josh and not Andi.  When parents don't let children grow and learn from their mistakes they actually hurt their children.  I don't know if Hy has done this, but I don't respect the Hy I have seen at all.  

stuckinsc wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:It always throws me for a loop a bit when I see comments about a third party potentially causing the break up or that Josh did it for his mother essentially because he's a mama's boy.

Apparently, Josh seemingly giving up his family for almost 6 months to be with Andi and Andi's family just wasn't enough. We got so many pictures, tweets, etc. showing Josh with Andi almost everyday and the same can be said for the Dorfman's. They saw the Murray's what? Twice in a six month span not counting their trips to Tampa before Christmas and KC when their relationship was really starting to break.

To me, looking on the outside with no inside knowledge, it seems Andi's ex-fiance worked really hard to please her and that included letting go of his family for half a year. At some point, there's got to be some compromise and it seems to me Andi didn't have much to give or when she finally started to towards the end it was too late.

Lets not forget that Andi's family lives in the same town where Josh's is 6-8 hours away.  Josh and Andi did get together with the Murray's when they came to Athens for football games. So just because they didn't go to Tampa doesn't mean they didn't see them and spend time with the Murray's.

And left early to go to a concert with Andi's friends.  I was annoyed by this at the time and was poo-pooed.  And I know that when I lived close to one set of parents and not the other, when the other was in town, my then boyfriend and I didn't make plans with friends, we spent the time with the family who had traveled to be near us.

stuckinsc wrote:

bleuberry wrote:To quote Ashley, are we comparing sad stories now? 

Who's Denny?

Denny is Josh's father.  He has had two types of cancer.  MM had brain cancer.  I will be happy to PM anyone who wants to know specifics about different types of cancer.

Ash2214 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

nannymargie wrote:

Lets not forget that Andi's family lives in the same town where Josh's is 6-8 hours away.  Josh and Andi did get together with the Murray's when they came to Athens for football games. So just because they didn't go to Tampa doesn't mean they didn't see them and spend time with the Murray's.

And left early to go to a concert with Andi's friends.  I was annoyed by this at the time and was poo-pooed.  And I know that when I lived close to one set of parents and not the other, when the other was in town, my then boyfriend and I didn't make plans with friends, we spent the time with the family who had traveled to be near us.

One of the biggest ones for me was that Josh spent Thanksgiving with the Dorfman's, which is fine. Andi's family doesn't celebrate Christmas, but yet Josh went to Las Vegas with Andi and her parents when we know the Murray's who celebrate Christmas go to church and spend it with family. You would think since Josh spent Thanksgiving with the Dorfman's that Andi would be fine with celebrating Christmas on the actual day with the Murray's given they actually celebrate it. Yeah, they spent a few days all together before Christmas, but that isn't the same. Again, it seems to me one person was compromising and the other wasn't. Two major holidays were spent with the Dorfman's.

It's not like it could be said well it's because they lived 10 minutes from the Dorfman's. They flew to Las Vegas for Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.  

Ash2214 wrote:Sorry if this was already posted here, but CH talks more a bit about Andi's sit down interview:

http://www.eonline.com/news/624654/andi-dorfman-is-heartbroken-over-her-breakup-with-josh-will-she-be-the-next-bachelorette-find-out?cmpid=sn-000000-twitterfeed-365-kristin&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitterfeed_kristin&dlvrit=51396

nannymargie wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

And left early to go to a concert with Andi's friends.  I was annoyed by this at the time and was poo-pooed.  And I know that when I lived close to one set of parents and not the other, when the other was in town, my then boyfriend and I didn't make plans with friends, we spent the time with the family who had traveled to be near us.

One of the biggest ones for me was that Josh spent Thanksgiving with the Dorfman's, which is fine. Andi's family doesn't celebrate Christmas, but yet Josh went to Las Vegas with Andi and her parents when we know the Murray's who celebrate Christmas go to church and spend it with family. You would think since Josh spent Thanksgiving with the Dorfman's that Andi would be fine with celebrating Christmas on the actual day with the Murray's given they actually celebrate it. Yeah, they spent a few days all together before Christmas, but that isn't the same. Again, it seems to me one person was compromising and the other wasn't. Two major holidays were spent with the Dorfman's.

It's not like it could be said well it's because they lived 10 minutes from the Dorfman's. They flew to Las Vegas for Christmas Eve and Christmas Day.  

Well if I remember right after their Chrismas trip to Vegas they flew back to Tampa and spent more time with the Murray's and all went to KC together.  I don't remember Aaron being their for Christmas either. But they all flew down to be with him and watch his last game.

We have family that live close and when you have 2 familes you have to juggle thing around. Sometimes we celebrate the week before or the week after.  It doesn't bother us as long as we spend time together.

Does it really matter what days they spent with what families as long as they had family time with both.