Re: Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - Men Tell All - July 21/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion 2

by Di_ATL Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:59 pm

Two things piss me off about the MTA, CH bringing up the dam lie detector test results again and really pushing the issue of reading Joshes, who was NOT their to defend himself and then the letter at the end from her F2 who still wants to try to win her back really????
And then for CH to say he will bring it up again at AFTR, just shows me what kinda man he is in all this.
I hope Team Sushi look at him and laugh in his face, with Andi being a ADA hopefully she says ya know what I got my man, we are happy and oh by the way were getting married and you aint invited. LMAO giggling

Then our team Sushi do the Happy Twirl and exit stage left to leave CH with pie on his face for trying to force her to read the lie dector results and bring up that letter saying U really need to read this. LMAO rofl

With that being said, these two things are kinda what confirms for me, that Josh is F1. I dont see Josh writing a letter and why would they push the issue fo what his supposed lies are if they aren't 2 gether who cares at that point. :stirthepot

by MiaHawk Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:04 pm

bilolo wrote:Make love not war who said that ?

I'm pretty sure it was Marcus Grodd.

by whit90 Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:04 pm

cindebugg wrote:
chloep wrote:
He didn't have nice things to say about Andi either - the girl he was claiming to love just days before.

Okay, I am starting to get annoyed by the fact that whenever the vid is discussed, *****Edited*********, but for some reason never elaborates...
Was it when he said that she was really close to her family, or how he LOVED her family? or how he was completely caught of guard bc he wanted to spend his life with her... Calling her stubborn? Really, I say Andi would be the first one to admit that she is.....
He did NOT dish her AT ALL. I know its easier for some people to say that and make him out to be the villain, who lead her on and Joshie the prince in shining armor, but the fact that he would NOT bash her, despite just having had his heartbroken by her, speaks volumes.... Bashing the person when your ego is hurt(saying "eh, she wasn't worth it anyway.") would be the easiest thing to do. It's the perfect coping mechanism of heartbreak. Yet he chose not to go down that route. He has his opinion of Josh and he is perfectly entitled to it. (Honestly, he spent more time with Josh then Andi did). However, that has nothing to do with Andi personally.

No he decided to trash the person who wasn't doing the choosing. Trashed the guy who was at the mercy of the same woman he was. Trying to plant seeds of doubt about Josh just makes it look like sour grapes even more.

We have no idea what happened between Josh and Nick but what Nick said about Josh was not awful. I do see a stubborn side to Josh also with Nick too. We have to remember if this plane vid is legit that he just got his heart broken . Many others would say much worse things if they were in his situation. JMO. To me bashing someone you only know from a scripted TV show is much worse. At least Josh and Nick know each other. They are both very mature men and I bet Josh has let this go. IMO

by Kashathediva Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:05 pm

Topic--Men Tell All.
Deep breath all.
In
And
Out.
Breathe.

by eirekay Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:11 pm

whit90 wrote:We have no idea what happened between Josh and Nick but what Nick said about Josh was not awful. I do see a stubborn side to Josh also with Nick too. We have to remember if this plane vid is legit that he just got his heart broken . Many others would say much worse things if they were in his situation. JMO. To me bashing someone you only know from a scripted TV show is much worse. At least Josh and Nick know each other. They are both very mature men and I bet Josh has let this go. IMO

And if it's a foiler, I'll join the indignation because to me, that would be far worse.

Kashathediva wrote:Topic--Men Tell All.
Deep breath all.
In
And
Out.
Breathe.

Mental note: go to that Yoga class tonight....

by cindebugg Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:18 pm

eirekay wrote:
Kashathediva wrote:I shudder to think how I would act and speak in a moment that I was unguarded and had just experienced living in an emotional bubble for several weeks.
I think there would be lots of Melissa McCarthy moments for sure.

My point exactly! Given the context, I'd have said a lot worse. He didn't call Josh an a$$xxle, a douchebag or any other terms of endearment that could have been used. On Andi's side, he didn't call her a b!tch or the c-word.

It's clear to me when Nick says "...I don’t know what else to say other than, like, it seemed like she really changed her mind, like, at the last moment.” that he really was blindsided and had no idea what was coming. It would be incredibly painful to be dumped by a woman you expected to propose a couple of hours later.

I would have said plenty too but it wouldn't have been in public. Once that conversation was taped and out in the universe the universe was going to have an opinion.

How blindsided could he have been? There was always the chance she wouldn't pick him. He was up against Josh Murray for crying out loud. Her type from her hometown.

by eirekay Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:29 pm

cindebugg wrote:How blindsided could he have been? There was always the chance she wouldn't pick him. He was up against Josh Murray for crying out loud. Her type from her hometown.

How blindsided would Josh be if he wasn't F1? IMO, Andi give both Josh and Nick equal reason to believe they were "the one". If it weren't for the video, I don't think I could handicap which one comes out on top. I see positives and negatives with each of these men.

by **GuardianAngel** Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:32 pm

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Take Kasha's advice everyone.

You don't have to dislike your fellow poster just because they don't favour the same guy as you do. Thank you to all those who I can see really try to word their posts carefully, it doesn't go unnoticed. Smiley

bilolo wrote:Make love not war who said that ?

It was in the 60's -70's, some of us know that phrase well. We used it for everything and anything.

Now we can use it when threads start going down the drain. Smiley

by Cecilia Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:02 pm

Reminder - there's a foe button people!

by Maggenzm Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:11 pm

Alanna wrote:
chloep wrote:
He didn't have nice things to say about Andi either - the girl he was claiming to love just days before.

Okay, I am starting to get annoyed by the fact that whenever the vid is discussed, ****Edited*****, but for some reason never elaborates...
Was it when he said that she was really close to her family, or how he LOVED her family? or how he was completely caught of guard bc he wanted to spend his life with her... Calling her stubborn? Really, I say Andi would be the first one to admit that she is.....
He did NOT dish her AT ALL. I know its easier for some people to say that and make him out to be the villain, who lead her on and Joshie the prince in shining armor, but the fact that he would NOT bash her, despite just having had his heartbroken by her, speaks volumes.... Bashing the person when your ego is hurt(saying "eh, she wasn't worth it anyway.") would be the easiest thing to do. It's the perfect coping mechanism of heartbreak. Yet he chose not to go down that route. He has his opinion of Josh and he is perfectly entitled to it. (Honestly, he spent more time with Josh then Andi did). However, that has nothing to do with Andi personally.
Actually the funny part is that he should be bashing Andi, she's the decision-maker here, Josh didn't do anything to him and was like a third party, totally not involved in what Nick and Andi had going on at all. I'm not defending/condoning/criticizing any of this, it's just something that struck me reading the post.

ITA, bashing the wrong person IMO.

by 2observe Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:25 pm

luvlady345 wrote: Nick's opinion of Josh is so off base, it's ridiculous.... Josh and Eric where the only two men who stood up to Andi.. Like Nick doesn't shit, eat and sleep that's why what he said about Josh is just so ridiculous/silly I am almost embarrass for his opinion of Josh after watching the season play out.....

I don't personally know Josh, nor do I know Nick. But what I do know is that Nick spent a good amount of time in the house with Josh, and knows more about him and his character than we do. Since Nick thought that he was having a private (meaning on one would know what he was talking about) conversation, I can accept that Nick was being honest about what he had personally observed during their time together. This also goes for his comments about Andi. I think that he was expressing what he had observed and/or experienced with Andi. Remember we only see a snip of what really goes on during their time together. Should he have said it? I say if it helps him to heal by expressing his true feelings, then do it.

by bilolo Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:30 pm

2observe wrote:
luvlady345 wrote: Nick's opinion of Josh is so off base, it's ridiculous.... Josh and Eric where the only two men who stood up to Andi.. Like Nick doesn't poop, eat and sleep that's why what he said about Josh is just so ridiculous/silly I am almost embarrass for his opinion of Josh after watching the season play out.....
I don't personally know Josh, nor do I know Nick. But what I do know is that Nick spent a good amount of time in the house with Josh, and knows more about him and his character than we do. Since Nick thought that he was having a private (meaning on one would know what he was talking about) conversation, I can accept that Nick was being honest about what he had personally observed during their time together. This also goes for his comments about Andi. I think that he was expressing what he had observed and/or experienced with Andi. Remember we only see a snip of what really goes on during their time together. Should he have said it? I say if it helps him to heal by expressing his true feelings, then do it.

Based on what you said, do you think what the guys said about Nick is true then ?

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