Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - Men Tell All - July 21/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion 2

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Maggenzm wrote:sdmom wrote:
Marquel said he would defend Nick all the way and Brian also said he's now good friends with Nick and they talk everyday. So Marcus likes Josh but Nick also made friends in and out of the house.

That's not the real Marquel, he is a fan page.LOL

I think sdmom is referring to the quotes in this article which appeared in a couple of publications:
http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/bachelorette_andi_dorfman_rejects_final_2_nick_viall_josh_murray-2014-07

Marquel Martin: "I will defend Nick 'til the day I die. He's one of the best people I will ever have the chance to meet. It's weird because I really felt that, and this is just a personal opinion, I feel that as a man, if you're going after someone you could potentially feel yourself marrying, why would you feel that you are second to anyone? You can't tell me that my connection with Andi isn't as strong as anyone else's and I'm not saying that to be arrogant, but I'm saying that because I was confident in who I am and I'm always going to be that way until proven otherwise. You're proven otherwise when you don't receive a rose.

"And my connection is the only one I know about, so who am I to judge another guy in how he goes after something he loves? I think that's ridiculous. I would understand if Nick made me feel like he thought himself better than me, but he treated me with nothing but respect, he was there for me through my tough times. He was amazing, he was great.

Maggenzm wrote:

sdmom wrote:Marquel said he would defend Nick all the way and Brian also said he's now good friends with Nick and they talk everyday. So Marcus likes Josh but Nick also made friends in and out of the house.

That's not the real Marquel, he is a fan page.LOL

HUH? That's an interview from zap2it:
http://www.zap2it.com/blogs/bachelorette_andi_dorfman_rejects_final_2_nick_viall_josh_murray-2014-07

On Monday's (July 14) episode of "The Bachelorette," Andi Dorfman narrowed her field of men down to the final two when she sent Chris Soules, the farmer from Iowa, home before they even got to the fantasy suite. Nick Viall and Josh Murray are her last two men standing -- so how do some of the guys, Chris Harrison and Andi herself feel about the final two?
Marquel Martin: "I will defend Nick 'til the day I die. He's one of the best people I will ever have the chance to meet. It's weird because I really felt that, and this is just a personal opinion, I feel that as a man, if you're going after someone you could potentially feel yourself marrying, why would you feel that you are second to anyone? You can't tell me that my connection with Andi isn't as strong as anyone else's and I'm not saying that to be arrogant, but I'm saying that because I was confident in who I am and I'm always going to be that way until proven otherwise. You're proven otherwise when you don't receive a rose.

"And my connection is the only one I know about, so who am I to judge another guy in how he goes after something he loves? I think that's ridiculous. I would understand if Nick made me feel like he thought himself better than me, but he treated me with nothing but respect, he was there for me through my tough times. He was amazing, he was great.

Can we just agree that Josh and Nick both made friends in and outside of house? Some are better friends with Josh and some with Nick. There's nothing wrong with it.
ETA: eirekay: looks like we posted at the same time!  

IMO, Marquel was never a real threat to Nick, so it's very understandable that he would have very favorable things to say about him. Marquel never got to share a kiss nor a 1:1 with Andi, only a cookie. But the other men that felt disrespected by Nick (Chris, Marcus, Brian and Josh) whether a "bad edit" or not, had very strong opinions regarding him, at one time or another.

And post-show, I would imagine it's easier for some of the guys to forgive Nick now that he's rumored to be F2. Why continue holding a grudge against him since he didn't get the girl? Is probably their mentality. IMHO

Assuming the video is not a foiler, Nick was obviously heartbroken when he made disparaging comments about Josh, so I highly doubt those remarks weren't influenced greatly by his own distress and/or bitterness towards the whole situation, as opposed to him making some "careful and impartial analysis" of Josh's characteristics and character based on his observations. More likely he was just venting (and clearly NOT impartial) and taking it out on the guy who beat him.

Yes, Nick didn't directly call Andi passive aggressive, just as Kelly didn't directly call Nick a pedophile. Good for the goose.

pavalygurl wrote:In other news:    

Dylan favored an article in Emme on twitter in which he said they (tptb) could have made the lie detector funny but they chose instead to embarrass people.
I don't know how to bring it over from twitter but it is in his favorites section.
Another Dylan favored tweet that I loved:  "My 8 year old cousin Talia just called @Dylan Petitt and she's crying of happiness right now omg"

Dylan has so much personality- I wished we saw more of it.

I think the lie detector segment of the MTA was done to mock and embarrass Marcus and Dylan. My poor strudel got embarassed. Hey, the man doesn't kiss and tell. What's the crime in that?   I hope he was able to move past that with his new little poodle.

The fact that she hemmed and hawed about hearing Josh's lies.....ding, ding, ding, winer, winner, chicken dinner. If Josh were F2 I do not think she would have cared one iota. Josh has Brian to thank for not being embarrassed on national tv. Because I'm not certain that Andi would not have been convinced by CH to open that envelope. The men saved Josh's behind on that one.

But, here is my question to all of you....IF the roles had been reversed and Josh had NOT taken the LD test and Nick HAD taken the LD test, and on the MTA CH asked Andi if she wanted to see Nick's results (presume it would have been 2 lies like Josh), do you think the men would have tried to sway her against opening them or do you think they would have told her to open them? And who do you think Andi would have listened to? And this scenario is with Nick either as F1 or F2......hmmmm.

kellkell wrote:IMO, Marquel was never a real threat to Nick, so it's very understandable that he would have very favorable things to say about him.  Marquel never got to share a kiss nor a 1:1 with Andi, only a cookie.  But the other men that felt disrespected by Nick (Chris, Marcus, Brian and Josh) whether a "bad edit" or not, had very strong opinions regarding him, at one time or another.  

And post-show, I would imagine it's easier for some of the guys to forgive Nick now that he's rumored to be F2.  Why continue holding a grudge against him since he didn't get the girl?  Is probably their mentality.  IMHO

And you think they would hold a grudge if he was F1? No way! These guys wouldn't want to be on the outs or criticizing the final couple. Most of them want to be as close to the final couple and all their "celebrity" as possible. This is why I admire guys who stick up for the F2 even when he has been edited terribly and it is not the "popular" thing to do. JMO of course!!!!

^^^the strudel has a new poodle.   (my minipoodle approved this post.)

Ash2214 wrote:

chloep wrote:

He didn't have nice things to say about Andi either - the girl he was claiming to love just days before.

Okay, I am starting to get annoyed by the fact that whenever the vid is discussed, ****Edited*** this up, but for some reason never elaborates...
Was it when he said that she was really close to her family, or how he LOVED her family? or how he was completely caught of guard bc he wanted to spend his life with her... Calling her stubborn? Really, I say Andi would be the first one to admit that she is.....
He did NOT dish her AT ALL. I know its easier for some people to say that and make him out to be the villain, who lead her on and Joshie the prince in shining armor, but the fact that he would NOT bash her, despite just having had his heartbroken by her, speaks volumes.... Bashing the person when your ego is hurt(saying "eh, she wasn't worth it anyway.") would be the easiest thing to do. It's the perfect coping mechanism of heartbreak. Yet he chose not to go down that route. He has his opinion of Josh and he is perfectly entitled to it. (Honestly, he spent more time with Josh then Andi did). However, that has nothing to do with Andi personally.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and that is all BachFanNY posted. I'm more than willing to state that I didn't have a single issue with what he said about Andi, but other people think the opposite. For some people, stating she was stubborn and passive aggressive along with saying she was "scared sh!tless" to pick him and that she just stuck to what she was used to was a bit of an insult. They're entitled to that opinion. I really don't care what he said about her. I didn't think it was that bad. What he said about Josh was rude and ignorant, but again, I don't care. I will state though saying all a guy does is "eat, sleep and sh!t" and that he has a bad temper and will essentially let Andi walk all over him is definitely an "attack" on Josh's character, but again, everyone has the right to freely state how they feel.

I doubt Josh would let her walk all over him . After their little spat at the RC the night of the Lie Det test, I thought Josh handled her very well. Also night of FD when he was right up in her face and told her " DO NOT ccatagorize me into a type.  IMO from what I've seen , Josh seemed to be the only one who CAN handle her and at the same time make her melt in his arms.  At least that's what I saw. jmo

It seems that the only guys who complained about Nick on the (edited) show, or have made less than 100% flattering comments about his behavior post show are those who made it into the top 6.  I suspect that is where the rubber really hit the road and actual feelings for Andi started to get involved.  And I don't doubt that people like Marquel and JJ didn't see any side of Nick but a great one, partly because I imagine Nick knew that neither one ever stood a chance with Andi.