Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 10 - Men Tell All - July 21/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion 2

MiaHawk wrote:

I think that JJ is quite different than most of the guys in group, and perhaps as suggested by his own comments, he is different than most guys in general.  He seems intelligent and creative, but lacking in some social skills and maybe even some self confidence (in the romance department and on this show).  I don't think he was adept at the group dynamics required of this show.  I think he felt intimidated by the macho men and in his own way tried to ingratiate himself with guys by telling them little "secrets" that he knew.  Andrew getting a phone number from the waitress and the alleged whispered "slur".

I think Andrew was an unpopular guy in the house.  He was conceited, IMO or at least he was edited that way.  His sincerity of being there for Andi was questioned by some.  I think it is because of this bias that many, including JJ, took the alleged comment, reflected upon it, and interpreted it as being true and derogatory. I think it was only after JJ had formulated a negative opinion of Andrew's character, that he moved forward and told Marquel what he heard.  I think this is why it took JJ so long to tell Marquel (as well as an increased comfort level and friendship with Marquel at that point).  So, when the people criticize the timing of JJ coming forward with this info, I don't think they are taking these factors into account.  

Cecilia wrote:

MiaHawk wrote:

I think that JJ is quite different than most of the guys in group, and perhaps as suggested by his own comments, he is different than most guys in general.  He seems intelligent and creative, but lacking in some social skills and maybe even some self confidence (in the romance department and on this show).  I don't think he was adept at the group dynamics required of this show.  I think he felt intimidated by the macho men and in his own way tried to ingratiate himself with guys by telling them little "secrets" that he knew.  Andrew getting a phone number from the waitress and the alleged whispered "slur".

I think Andrew was an unpopular guy in the house.  He was conceited, IMO or at least he was edited that way.  His sincerity of being there for Andi was questioned by some.  I think it is because of this bias that many, including JJ, took the alleged comment, reflected upon it, and interpreted it as being true and derogatory. I think it was only after JJ had formulated a negative opinion of Andrew's character, that he moved forward and told Marquel what he heard.  I think this is why it took JJ so long to tell Marquel (as well as an increased comfort level and friendship with Marquel at that point).  So, when the people criticize the timing of JJ coming forward with this info, I don't think they are taking these factors into account.  

I agree with the above!  And while I don't think that pointing out that she picked the two black men  is per se racist (if that is what he said instead of the other term) I do find it ignorant, arrogant and uncalled for.  Someone who pointed that out with a laugh would not be someone I would want to associate with at all.  Despite this entire issue, Andrew was never likeable to me with his "lowlife" comments, other derogatory comments and his suggestion that he and Patrick were so above the other men.  Andi didn't seem to think so!

Nick Sutter and Patrick Jagodzinski Threw Shade at Andi
Boys, boys, boys, don’t you know that you should never turn on the Bachelorette? Sadly, golfer Nick and Andrew Poole sidekick Patrick never learned that lesson. While we saw the newly haired Nick tell Andi she “had her guard up,” he also reportedly called her “cold.” Meanwhile, Pat took it even further and questioned her decision to leave her post as assistant district attorney in Atlanta (veiling it as a “concern”).

We’re Not Done With Those Lie Detector Results
If you were one of the many shouting at Andi to open Josh Murray’s lie results (which he claims to have revealed here, BTW), then you’ll be happy to know that these answers come up in the finale. Host Harrison told Zap2It backstage at the MTA that he’s going to bring Josh and Nick Viall’s answers back up during the final show. Wahoo!

sdmom wrote:Remember the "rumor" before airing that some guys though she was fake?
So now we have Eric (RIP), Nick S and Patrick expressed the same feelings using different words.

Litta123 wrote:Does anyone find it odd/interesting that Nick S was somewhat disparaging to Andi? It appears that Nick S and Nick V have hung out post filming. If Nick V is F1, wouldn't that put their friendship on rocky ground? Even if Nick V hasn't told Nick S directly, I would think Nick S has some sense of what happened. JMO.

Litta123 wrote:Does anyone find it odd/interesting that Nick S was somewhat disparaging to Andi? It appears that Nick S and Nick V have hung out post filming. If Nick V is F1, wouldn't that put their friendship on rocky ground? Even if Nick V hasn't told Nick S directly, I would think Nick S has some sense of what happened. JMO.

Cecilia wrote:

Litta123 wrote:Does anyone find it odd/interesting that Nick S was somewhat disparaging to Andi? It appears that Nick S and Nick V have hung out post filming. If Nick V is F1, wouldn't that put their friendship on rocky ground? Even if Nick V hasn't told Nick S directly, I would think Nick S has some sense of what happened. JMO.

I thought this.  ATFR is going to be interesting....