Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

emad0722 wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:I have a question about specifically what Nick said about Josh:

I am paraphrasing here, but Nick said something along the lines of "Josh won't say/do s**t"

My question is why would Josh need to say or do something about himself being the F1? Exactly what would Josh need to do or say?  That's confusing to me.

Also, in the video the only name we clearly hear is Josh's.  If you surmise that Nick is talking to a family member, would they know who "Josh" was?  It seemed like the other person on the show knew a lot of details about the show, which could not have been a family member, since they are not allowed to contact them.

Still a lot of questions surrounding this video.  I showed it to my 17 year old nephew and the first thing he said was "is this real?"

I believe the "he won't say @&$?" is referring to the fact Josh is a YES man and doesn't really call Andi out on her "negative" traits. I'm not saying Josh is or is not that guy just I think that's what Nick was referring to.

I think Josh wouldn't talk to Nick or say anything about Andi or anything else as it got closer and closer to the FRC. They started off as friends but I think later tension built up between them...I think that's part of the Josh won't say sh@t comment. I mean it just seemed like Josh didn't talk about his feelings with any of the guys.

cindebugg wrote: snipped...

IMO Andi would be pissed at Josh just like she's pissed at Nick and has every right to be.

Andi is not happy with Nick? How do we know this?

I'm not happy with Josh's families SM spoilers which started way before the plane vid. Nick didn't have any control over someone taping his conversation unknowingly after not having any contact with family/friends. He has nothing to be embarrassed about IMO. He has handled himself in a respectful manner and a lot of the guys like him as evident by pics and SM. If he's not the F1, Andi is the one who should be embarrassed for leading him on to the degree she did. But that's for another topic.

ETA: after reading the transcript of Nick's video to Andi, I'm surprised he didn't mention a whole lot more in that plane vid! And come to think of it, if RS is so sure and has all the details, why doesn't he have more details to that conversation that were not taped? The person must have heard some of the conversation before realizing what it was all about, prior to them starting to record it. Some parts were cut off or restarted. There was obviously a lot more that wasn't taped. Wouldn't that person blab that info as well?

GuardianAngel wrote:

cindebugg wrote: snipped...

IMO Andi would be pissed at Josh just like she's pissed at Nick and has every right to be.

Andi is not happy with Nick? How do we know this?

I'm not happy with Josh's families SM spoilers which started way before the plane vid. Nick didn't have any control over someone taping his conversation unknowingly after not having any contact with family/friends. He has nothing to be embarrassed about IMO. He has handled himself in a respectful manner and a lot of the guys like him as evident by pics and SM. If he's not the F1, Andi is the one who should be embarrassed for leading him on to the degree she did. But that's for another topic.

ETA: after reading the transcript of Nick's video to Andi, I'm surprised he didn't mention a whole lot more in that plane vid!

GA - ITA. If she doesn't defend Nick at ATFR my opinion of her will change.

GuardianAngel wrote:

cindebugg wrote: snipped...

IMO Andi would be pissed at Josh just like she's pissed at Nick and has every right to be.

Andi is not happy with Nick? How do we know this?

I'm not happy with Josh's families SM spoilers which started way before the plane vid. Nick didn't have any control over someone taping his conversation unknowingly after not having any contact with family/friends. He has nothing to be embarrassed about IMO. He has handled himself in a respectful manner and a lot of the guys like him as evident by pics and SM. If he's not the F1, Andi is the one who should be embarrassed for leading him on to the degree she did. But that's for another topic.

ETA: after reading the transcript of Nick's video to Andi, I'm surprised he didn't mention a whole lot more in that plane vid! And come to think of it, if RS is so sure and has all the details, why doesn't he have more details to that conversation that were not taped? The person must have heard some of the conversation before realizing what it was all about, prior to them starting to record it. Some parts were cut off or restarted. There was obviously a lot more that wasn't taped. Wouldn't that person blab that info as well?

Isn't Nick under contract not to talk about the show before it airs? There for regardless of whether someone taped him or not, he shouldn't have been talking to anyone about the end of the taping. IMO

GuardianAngel wrote:

cindebugg wrote: snipped...

IMO Andi would be pissed at Josh just like she's pissed at Nick and has every right to be.

Andi is not happy with Nick? How do we know this?

I'm not happy with Josh's families SM spoilers which started way before the plane vid. Nick didn't have any control over someone taping his conversation unknowingly after not having any contact with family/friends. He has nothing to be embarrassed about IMO. He has handled himself in a respectful manner and a lot of the guys like him as evident by pics and SM. If he's not the F1, Andi is the one who should be embarrassed for leading him on to the degree she did. But that's for another topic.

ETA: after reading the transcript of Nick's video to Andi, I'm surprised he didn't mention a whole lot more in that plane vid! And come to think of it, if RS is so sure and has all the details, why doesn't he have more details to that conversation that were not taped? The person must have heard some of the conversation before realizing what it was all about, prior to them starting to record it. Some parts were cut off or restarted. There was obviously a lot more that wasn't taped. Wouldn't that person blab that info as well?

THAT's VERY interesting GA. I wasn't following early in the season and didn't know this.
So, if Nick is F1 and sees all the shit the Murray's are slinging.... wouldn't it make him more open to making the plane video   Just sayin....
And to your point, his ability to remain respectful ever since is even more impressive!!

Even his tweets take the high road:

 Retweeted by Nicholas Viall

Gentleman's Handbook @ImThatGentleman · May 29

Only weak minded people get offended at someone's opinion.

GuardianAngel wrote:Andi is not happy with Nick? How do we know this?

I'm not happy with Josh's families SM spoilers which started way before the plane vid. Nick didn't have any control over someone taping his conversation unknowingly after not having any contact with family/friends. He has nothing to be embarrassed about IMO. He has handled himself in a respectful manner and a lot of the guys like him as evident by pics and SM. If he's not the F1, Andi is the one who should be embarrassed for leading him on to the degree she did. But that's for another topic.

ETA: after reading the transcript of Nick's video to Andi, I'm surprised he didn't mention a whole lot more in that plane vid! And come to think of it, if RS is so sure and has all the details, why doesn't he have more details to that conversation that were not taped? The person must have heard some of the conversation before realizing what it was all about, prior to them starting to record it. Some parts were cut off or restarted. There was obviously a lot more that wasn't taped. Wouldn't that person blab that info as well?

   

eliza3 wrote:Isn't Nick under contract not to talk about the show before it airs?  There for regardless of whether someone taped him or not, he shouldn't have been talking to anyone about the end of the taping.  IMO

From what I hear all the contestants talk about the ending to family or friends.  Momma Murray has posted on her facebook page she knows the ending. Chris admitted on the ATFR that he told his mom the ending and while the season aired Des and his mom were texting back and forth.

GuardianAngel wrote:

cindebugg wrote: snipped...

IMO Andi would be pissed at Josh just like she's pissed at Nick and has every right to be.

Andi is not happy with Nick? How do we know this?

I'm not happy with Josh's families SM spoilers which started way before the plane vid. Nick didn't have any control over someone taping his conversation unknowingly after not having any contact with family/friends. He has nothing to be embarrassed about IMO. He has handled himself in a respectful manner and a lot of the guys like him as evident by pics and SM. If he's not the F1, Andi is the one who should be embarrassed for leading him on to the degree she did. But that's for another topic.

ETA: after reading the transcript of Nick's video to Andi, I'm surprised he didn't mention a whole lot more in that plane vid! And come to think of it, if RS is so sure and has all the details, why doesn't he have more details to that conversation that were not taped? The person must have heard some of the conversation before realizing what it was all about, prior to them starting to record it. Some parts were cut off or restarted. There was obviously a lot more that wasn't taped. Wouldn't that person blab that info as well?

I explained why IMO she is not happy with Nick in the part of my post you snipped.

As for the bold, How do we know he doesn't?   I don't read RS.

If Andi should be embarrassed for leading Nick on there are some past leads that shouldn't even show their faces. IMO Andi has been very focused and calculated in giving Nick just enough and giving Josh things she doesn't give Nick.

SueSt wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

cindebugg wrote: snipped...

IMO Andi would be pissed at Josh just like she's pissed at Nick and has every right to be.

Andi is not happy with Nick? How do we know this?

I'm not happy with Josh's families SM spoilers which started way before the plane vid. Nick didn't have any control over someone taping his conversation unknowingly after not having any contact with family/friends. He has nothing to be embarrassed about IMO. He has handled himself in a respectful manner and a lot of the guys like him as evident by pics and SM. If he's not the F1, Andi is the one who should be embarrassed for leading him on to the degree she did. But that's for another topic.

ETA: after reading the transcript of Nick's video to Andi, I'm surprised he didn't mention a whole lot more in that plane vid! And come to think of it, if RS is so sure and has all the details, why doesn't he have more details to that conversation that were not taped? The person must have heard some of the conversation before realizing what it was all about, prior to them starting to record it. Some parts were cut off or restarted. There was obviously a lot more that wasn't taped. Wouldn't that person blab that info as well?

THAT's VERY interesting GA.  I wasn't following early in the season and didn't know this.
So, if Nick is F1 and sees all the shit the Murray's are slinging.... wouldn't it make him more open to making the plane video   Just sayin....
And to your point, his ability to remain respectful ever since is even more impressive!!

Even his tweets take the high road:

  Retweeted by Nicholas Viall  

Gentleman's Handbook @ImThatGentleman     ·   May 29    

Only weak minded people get offended at someone's opinion.

Hmmm, The pot calling the kettle black? He was quite vocal about his unhappiness and disagreement with Andi's feelings before that plane took off.

SueSt wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

cindebugg wrote: snipped...

IMO Andi would be pissed at Josh just like she's pissed at Nick and has every right to be.

Andi is not happy with Nick? How do we know this?

I'm not happy with Josh's families SM spoilers which started way before the plane vid. Nick didn't have any control over someone taping his conversation unknowingly after not having any contact with family/friends. He has nothing to be embarrassed about IMO. He has handled himself in a respectful manner and a lot of the guys like him as evident by pics and SM. If he's not the F1, Andi is the one who should be embarrassed for leading him on to the degree she did. But that's for another topic.

ETA: after reading the transcript of Nick's video to Andi, I'm surprised he didn't mention a whole lot more in that plane vid! And come to think of it, if RS is so sure and has all the details, why doesn't he have more details to that conversation that were not taped? The person must have heard some of the conversation before realizing what it was all about, prior to them starting to record it. Some parts were cut off or restarted. There was obviously a lot more that wasn't taped. Wouldn't that person blab that info as well?

THAT's VERY interesting GA.  I wasn't following early in the season and didn't know this.
So, if Nick is F1 and sees all the shit the Murray's are slinging.... wouldn't it make him more open to making the plane video   Just sayin....
And to your point, his ability to remain respectful ever since is even more impressive!!

Even his tweets take the high road:

  Retweeted by Nicholas Viall  

Gentleman's Handbook @ImThatGentleman     ·   May 29    

Only weak minded people get offended at someone's opinion.

What $hit have the Murray's slung about Nick? The family's social media has been in support of Josh. I don't know that I've seen them reference Nick or any of the other guys. And that plane video was recorded two days after the FRC. At that point the Murrays had made very few references to the show, and nothing in regards to Nick.

I'll give Nick a break in terms of the plane video in that he just got dumped and obviously that's a blow to the ego. Nothing he said was too terrible. Now after the show is over and he says something unnecessary then I will take issue with it.

Here's the original post. I still don't see how we know that Andi is ticked at Nick.

 

cindebugg wrote:Let's turn the tables and say that Andi picked Nick.  Now let's say that RS received a 30 second video of Josh talking about Nick. 
What if Josh said, all he does is strategize and scheme.  He talked our ears off and didn't get along with the guys.  He's arrogant, insecure, likes to play the victim. He has a bad attitude, needed constant reassurance and manipulated Andi every chance he got?   Then to add insult to injury he spoils the season.

IMO Andi would be pissed at Josh just like she's pissed at Nick and has every right to be.


Maybe they will talk it out after the ATFR but if I were Nick I would be embarrassed to face them.


One reason why they could be filming Nick is because Andi doesn't want him at the ATFR.  It's clear from her social media activity that she has little use for him.  She's been so protective of Josh through out filming, making sure he knows she is commited to him and outside of filming tweeting pictures of their dates and none of Nick's and favoriting team Josh tweets.

As for RS, if he had more info, he'd would have spilled it long ago.

IMO I don't think Andi is ticked at Nick in the least, because of this vid or for any other reason. She has said some profound things about Nick all season long, for example

Andi -re: the book " one of the most romantic gifts I have ever been given.

julychild wrote:Andi: "I feel hopeful and safe and I feel like when Nick looks at me he sees every part of me; my heart,my mind, my soul. I don't know how to describe it because I've never felt that way before. It's a once in a lifetime type of stuff. I feel very lucky that I've met somebody like Nick."

and so many more that I don't have time to go looking for.

umngirl wrote:
What $hit have the Murray's slung about Nick? The family's social media has been in support of Josh. I don't know that I've seen them reference Nick or any of the other guys. And that plane video was recorded two days after the FRC. At that point the Murrays had made very few references to the show, and nothing in regards to Nick.

I'll give Nick a break in terms of the plane video in that he just got dumped and obviously that's a blow to the ego. Nothing he said was too terrible. Now after the show is over and he says something unnecessary then I will take issue with it.

If you're asking me, I'm referring to SM spoilers from the Murray's supporting Josh as the F1, for selfish and sleuthing purposes, I'm never happy when I see that from family. In no way have the Murrays ever referenced Nick, and that's not what I was insinuating. My point was as the poster indicated Andi is supposedly ticked at Nick for spoiling her season by the plane vid vs I'm not happy either with the Murray's spoilers.