Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

GuardianAngel wrote:

umngirl wrote:
What $hit have the Murray's slung about Nick? The family's social media has been in support of Josh. I don't know that I've seen them reference Nick or any of the other guys. And that plane video was recorded two days after the FRC. At that point the Murrays had made very few references to the show, and nothing in regards to Nick.

I'll give Nick a break in terms of the plane video in that he just got dumped and obviously that's a blow to the ego. Nothing he said was too terrible. Now after the show is over and he says something unnecessary then I will take issue with it.

If you're asking me, I'm referring to SM spoilers from the Murray's supporting Josh as the F1, for selfish and sleuthing purposes, I'm never happy when I see that from family. In no way have the Murrays ever referenced Nick, and that's not what I was insinuating. My point was as the poster indicated Andi is supposedly ticked at Nick for spoiling her season by the plane vid vs I'm not happy either with the Murray's spoilers.

I was asking the person who said the Murray's have slung $hit about Nick. I wanted to know where and when because I have seen none of that.

^ Why would RS release any more information about the video? He claims to know who sent it to him and how they recognized Nick and so forth, but this is RS' business. He's not going to give more away than he has to. Why would he say the person's name who gave it to him? Why would he go into detail about how this person recognized Nick? It would give a lot away that RS doesn't want to. For all we know, this person could have been someone that works for RS. There's several reasons why he would not go into detail about the video.

We don't know if Andi is ticked at Nick presently, but the examples you gave us are from filming. The only way I guess we'll know is if she says something once the show is done airing. Even then, Andi and her F1 will be coached on the right things to say.

I didn't mean for RS to divulge who gave him the info. I would never expect that from anyone with sources. I just meant the rest of the conversation that I would think there was more of that wasn't recorded.   

Good point on the examples are from filming.

SueSt wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

cindebugg wrote: snipped...

IMO Andi would be pissed at Josh just like she's pissed at Nick and has every right to be.

Andi is not happy with Nick? How do we know this?

I'm not happy with Josh's families SM spoilers which started way before the plane vid. Nick didn't have any control over someone taping his conversation unknowingly after not having any contact with family/friends. He has nothing to be embarrassed about IMO. He has handled himself in a respectful manner and a lot of the guys like him as evident by pics and SM. If he's not the F1, Andi is the one who should be embarrassed for leading him on to the degree she did. But that's for another topic.

ETA: after reading the transcript of Nick's video to Andi, I'm surprised he didn't mention a whole lot more in that plane vid! And come to think of it, if RS is so sure and has all the details, why doesn't he have more details to that conversation that were not taped? The person must have heard some of the conversation before realizing what it was all about, prior to them starting to record it. Some parts were cut off or restarted. There was obviously a lot more that wasn't taped. Wouldn't that person blab that info as well?

THAT's VERY interesting GA.  I wasn't following early in the season and didn't know this.
So, if Nick is F1 and sees all the shit the Murray's are slinging.... wouldn't it make him more open to making the plane video   Just sayin....
And to your point, his ability to remain respectful ever since is even more impressive!!

Even his tweets take the high road:

  Retweeted by Nicholas Viall  

Gentleman's Handbook @ImThatGentleman     ·   May 29    

Only weak minded people get offended at someone's opinion.

I certainly don't see his retweet as taking the high road .. It actually could be perceived as being pretty insulting

Jeepers wrote:I certainly don't see his retweet as taking the high road .. It actually could be perceived as being pretty insulting

IMO this quote is no different than a quote I read that Josh posted on Instagram

Huh?!?!

Jeepers wrote:Huh?!?!

To me this post by Josh says the exact same thing Nick was saying

I think Nick's tweet is more about ignoring SM negativity directed at him. He's the one who encourages his fans to keep it positive, so I really don't think he intentionally insults anyone, IMO of course, but there's no way he can control what others think.
I agree with someone said sometimes we fans take these things more seriously than Andi/Josh/Nick.
I really hope July 28 comes quick so everyone can move on, including myself: I need my sanity and life back!!

sdmom wrote:I think Nick's tweet is more about ignoring SM negativity directed at him. He's the one who encourages his fans to keep it positive, so I really don't think he intentionally insults anyone, IMO of course, but there's no way he can control what others think.
I agree with someone said sometimes we fans take these things more seriously than Andi/Josh/Nick.
I really hope July 28 comes quick so everyone can move on, including myself: I need my sanity and life back!!

YES! thanks for the support, sdmom!   

JMO I don't really think anyone is mad anyone!  

She has been writing favorable things in her blogs about both of them. If anything I was under the impression that she was trying to smooth is all over. I always got the sense from her blogs that Andi felt a little guilty about what happened with Nick as I'm sure most leads do when they have to lead someone on. She's been telling everyone all season how much their emotional connection has meant to her.

Isn't it kind of first hand knowledge in Josh's hometown that he's the one that gets chosen? I believe I've read that people that know the Murray's know the outcome. Or at least they will when they receive an invitation to Mama's FRC party.   Surprise! I think there are plenty of people to thank for the spoilers this season.

How would Nick have found out that the Murrays were spoiling the season two days after filming ended? Do you think the first thing he did when he got his phone back was to google Josh?   

And RS saying that the person recognized Nick on the plane, to me doesn't necessarily mean that they physically recognized him. They may have just realized who he was based on hearing his phone conversation. And perhaps all they sent RS was the videos, which are proof enough (to some of us at least  :giggle: ) and didn't elaborate on anything else said. Or maybe it was nothing of note past "I can't believe she didn't pick me, I was in love, blah, blah." Can't see RS posting extraneous details, and he's so arrogant, I'm sure he feels/felt the video was self explanatory.

noobsleuth wrote:JMO I don't really think anyone is mad anyone!  

She has been writing favorable things in her blogs about both of them. If anything I was under the impression that she was trying to smooth is all over. I always got the sense from her blogs that Andi felt a little guilty about what happened with Nick as I'm sure most leads do when they have to lead someone on. She's been telling everyone all season how much their emotional connection has meant to her.

Isn't it kind of first hand knowledge in Josh's hometown that he's the one that gets chosen? I believe I've read that people that know the Murray's know the outcome. Or at least they will when they receive an invitation to Mama's FRC party.   Surprise! I think there are plenty of people to thank for the spoilers this season.

I agree with noobsleuth. We are mad at Nick or the Murrays for the video or the numerous tweets that started during taping. BTW, I am not mad at either but using the general we. We have no idea what Andi, Josh or Nick truly think. They have not come out and told us. I have said repeatedly that all three seem to have healthy senses of humor and have been pretty generous to people who make fun of them.

The problem is ours not theirs until they tell us it is theirs.

I do get annoyed reading that Andi is this, Josh is that or Nick will definitely say if they did this. Really, I admit to not liking Andi and even I give her more credit to assume that any of this bugs her. I even give her credit that her tweet of stay classy on the night where Kelly was tweet pedophile face and Nick is bipolar right next to her, might have been a message to Kelly.

I will say that the couple of times I have gone into the Josh thread, I have read that supposedly the whole city of Athens knows that Josh is the F1. Sorry, maybe Nick accidentally let it out first, but telling a whole city? That is pretty much breaking every rule. Personally, I think one person in Athens saw Josh was happy and took that to mean he was F1 and then it grew from person to person. I don't honestly think that Josh told anyone in Athens. Stephanie was already in Tampa, so she is the only person who would be living in Athens who I think he might have told.

I have also said repeatedly, I don't understand the need to hate on the person who you perceive as the enemy of your chosen one for the lead. I saw this with the Jef and Arie fan bases in Emily's season. I was a Jef fan, for the pure reason, he was the only one that I didn't completely hate Emily when she was with. I actually liked Arie so much I didn't want him stuck constantly having to appease Emily. I am a fan of both Josh and Nick. I like the person I see Andi being with she is with Nick in general more than Josh. The FD was great, but I am seriously going to want to ring her neck on the LCD when we get to hear once again, that even though Josh has done everything in his power to comfort her and he has openly given her the words ILY and told her he wants her for his wife, something he told her was so important to him and something he only wanted to say one more time in his life, she still doesn't trust it. Get over yourself Andi. Most of us have been cheated on, and it hurts, but we don't make every person we meet after that pay for it again and again and again. I think Josh is in it for the long haul with her, but man I want him to run for his life. No person deserves to have to constantly make up for mistakes that aren't theirs.

Each of us can like whoever we want. Do we have to assume the worst about the other person to do that? If we do that is so sad.

If anything the great relationship that developed between Andi and Nick is a huge compliment to Josh. If he is F1, Andi choosing him means that he is special enough to give up something really great for. I would prefer that to be the only thing that was acceptable. But to feel love with another person and still at the end of it all say, you are it for me, I want you and not him. To me that is much more special than some magical it was you and only you, because lets be honest. We all meet multiple people in our lives we are attracted to. But we make a choice to only be with one. If you never loved or were attracted to anyone else, then I may not have confidence when you do that you will be strong enough to resist. But having had great attraction and feelings and at the end of the day choosing me any way? That makes me very special and confident that I am the one for you.