Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

stuckinsc wrote:

noobsleuth wrote:JMO I don't really think anyone is mad anyone!  

She has been writing favorable things in her blogs about both of them. If anything I was under the impression that she was trying to smooth is all over. I always got the sense from her blogs that Andi felt a little guilty about what happened with Nick as I'm sure most leads do when they have to lead someone on. She's been telling everyone all season how much their emotional connection has meant to her.

Isn't it kind of first hand knowledge in Josh's hometown that he's the one that gets chosen? I believe I've read that people that know the Murray's know the outcome. Or at least they will when they receive an invitation to Mama's FRC party.   Surprise! I think there are plenty of people to thank for the spoilers this season.

I agree with noobsleuth.  We are mad at Nick or the Murrays for the video or the numerous tweets that started during taping.  BTW, I am not mad at either but using the general we.  We have no idea what Andi, Josh or Nick truly think.  They have not come out and told us.  I have said repeatedly that all three seem to have healthy senses of humor and have been pretty generous to people who make fun of them.

The problem is ours not theirs until they tell us it is theirs.

I do get annoyed reading that Andi is this, Josh is that or Nick will definitely say if they did this.  Really, I admit to not liking Andi and even I give her more credit to assume that any of this bugs her.  I even give her credit that her tweet of stay classy on the night where Kelly was tweet pedophile face and Nick is bipolar right next to her, might have been a message to Kelly.  

I will say that the couple of times I have gone into the Josh thread, I have read that supposedly the whole city of Athens knows that Josh is the F1.  Sorry, maybe Nick accidentally let it out first, but telling a whole city?  That is pretty much breaking every rule.  Personally, I think one person in Athens saw Josh was happy and took that to mean he was F1 and then it grew from person to person.  I don't honestly think that Josh told anyone in Athens.  Stephanie was already in Tampa, so she is the only person who would be living in Athens who I think he might have told.

I have also said repeatedly, I don't understand the need to hate on the person who you perceive as the enemy of your chosen one for the lead.  I saw this with the Jef and Arie fan bases in Emily's season.  I was a Jef fan, for the pure reason, he was the only one that I didn't completely hate Emily when she was with.  I actually liked Arie so much I didn't want him stuck constantly having to appease Emily.  I am a fan of both Josh and Nick.  I like the person I see Andi being with she is with Nick in general more than Josh.  The FD was great, but I am seriously going to want to ring her neck on the LCD when we get to hear once again, that even though Josh has done everything in his power to comfort her and he has openly given her the words ILY and told her he wants her for his wife, something he told her was so important to him and something he only wanted to say one more time in his life, she still doesn't trust it.  Get over yourself Andi.  Most of us have been cheated on, and it hurts, but we don't make every person we meet after that pay for it again and again and again.  I think Josh is in it for the long haul with her, but man I want him to run for his life.  No person deserves to have to constantly make up for mistakes that aren't theirs.  

Each of us can like whoever we want.  Do we have to assume the worst about the other person to do that?  If we do that is so sad.

If anything the great relationship that developed between Andi and Nick is a huge compliment to Josh.  If he is F1, Andi choosing him means that he is special enough to give up something really great for.  I would prefer that to be the only thing that was acceptable.  But to feel love with another person and still at the end of it all say, you are it for me, I want you and not him.  To me that is much more special than some magical it was you and only you, because lets be honest.  We all meet multiple people in our lives we are attracted to.  But we make a choice to only be with one.  If you never loved or were attracted to anyone else, then I may not have confidence when you do that you will be strong enough to resist.  But having had great attraction and feelings and at the end of the day choosing me any way?  That makes me very special and confident that I am the one for you.

stuckinsc wrote:

noobsleuth wrote:JMO I don't really think anyone is mad anyone!  

She has been writing favorable things in her blogs about both of them. If anything I was under the impression that she was trying to smooth is all over. I always got the sense from her blogs that Andi felt a little guilty about what happened with Nick as I'm sure most leads do when they have to lead someone on. She's been telling everyone all season how much their emotional connection has meant to her.

Isn't it kind of first hand knowledge in Josh's hometown that he's the one that gets chosen? I believe I've read that people that know the Murray's know the outcome. Or at least they will when they receive an invitation to Mama's FRC party.   Surprise! I think there are plenty of people to thank for the spoilers this season.

I agree with noobsleuth.  We are mad at Nick or the Murrays for the video or the numerous tweets that started during taping.  BTW, I am not mad at either but using the general we.  We have no idea what Andi, Josh or Nick truly think.  They have not come out and told us.  I have said repeatedly that all three seem to have healthy senses of humor and have been pretty generous to people who make fun of them.

The problem is ours not theirs until they tell us it is theirs.

I do get annoyed reading that Andi is this, Josh is that or Nick will definitely say if they did this.  Really, I admit to not liking Andi and even I give her more credit to assume that any of this bugs her.  I even give her credit that her tweet of stay classy on the night where Kelly was tweet pedophile face and Nick is bipolar right next to her, might have been a message to Kelly.  

I will say that the couple of times I have gone into the Josh thread, I have read that supposedly the whole city of Athens knows that Josh is the F1.  Sorry, maybe Nick accidentally let it out first, but telling a whole city?  That is pretty much breaking every rule.  Personally, I think one person in Athens saw Josh was happy and took that to mean he was F1 and then it grew from person to person.  I don't honestly think that Josh told anyone in Athens.  Stephanie was already in Tampa, so she is the only person who would be living in Athens who I think he might have told.

I have also said repeatedly, I don't understand the need to hate on the person who you perceive as the enemy of your chosen one for the lead.  I saw this with the Jef and Arie fan bases in Emily's season.  I was a Jef fan, for the pure reason, he was the only one that I didn't completely hate Emily when she was with.  I actually liked Arie so much I didn't want him stuck constantly having to appease Emily.  I am a fan of both Josh and Nick.  I like the person I see Andi being with she is with Nick in general more than Josh.  The FD was great, but I am seriously going to want to ring her neck on the LCD when we get to hear once again, that even though Josh has done everything in his power to comfort her and he has openly given her the words ILY and told her he wants her for his wife, something he told her was so important to him and something he only wanted to say one more time in his life, she still doesn't trust it.  Get over yourself Andi.  Most of us have been cheated on, and it hurts, but we don't make every person we meet after that pay for it again and again and again.  I think Josh is in it for the long haul with her, but man I want him to run for his life.  No person deserves to have to constantly make up for mistakes that aren't theirs.  

Each of us can like whoever we want.  Do we have to assume the worst about the other person to do that?  If we do that is so sad.

If anything the great relationship that developed between Andi and Nick is a huge compliment to Josh.  If he is F1, Andi choosing him means that he is special enough to give up something really great for.  I would prefer that to be the only thing that was acceptable.  But to feel love with another person and still at the end of it all say, you are it for me, I want you and not him.  To me that is much more special than some magical it was you and only you, because lets be honest.  We all meet multiple people in our lives we are attracted to.  But we make a choice to only be with one.  If you never loved or were attracted to anyone else, then I may not have confidence when you do that you will be strong enough to resist.  But having had great attraction and feelings and at the end of the day choosing me any way?  That makes me very special and confident that I am the one for you.

eliza3 wrote:I have to disagree with you…yes even if he was talking with another person who signed confidentiality contracts…he KNEW he was in a public place. Yes he might have been upset, sad, even overwrought, but so were several other, including Chris.    I wouldn't have blamed a person for tweeting or IGing a picture of Nick on the same plane…I would have been sleuthing that photo to find out when where how.

As for the Murrays…yes they are competitive, and I too see nothing wrong with that.  But to assume that it was the Murrays who told EVERYONE in Athens that Josh is engaged to Andi?    We have no proof what so ever, or even data leading us to believe that they broke their contract with ABC and announced this to the town of Athens.  

eliza3 wrote:Maybe it's a foil or maybe not.  I, personally, and this is just my opinion, think he made bad judgement talking on the phone in a public place…regardless of whether the show had aired yet or not.  Do I understand how this could happen?  Absolutely!  But I still think that he is partly responsible for it.  As for the person that taped it….shame on them.  But in this day and age we all have to be careful what we do and say in public because someone can be watching.

I, again personally, put little stock in what TPTB do and say while the show is airing.  It is a game for them that they play well.  They have lied and deceived us before and they will do it again.   I will never know why they do or say what they do, and as a result, I don't believe or trust much of what they say.

rosesrREd wrote:

eliza3 wrote:I have to disagree with you…yes even if he was talking with another person who signed confidentiality contracts…he KNEW he was in a public place. Yes he might have been upset, sad, even overwrought, but so were several other, including Chris.    I wouldn't have blamed a person for tweeting or IGing a picture of Nick on the same plane…I would have been sleuthing that photo to find out when where how.

As for the Murrays…yes they are competitive, and I too see nothing wrong with that.  But to assume that it was the Murrays who told EVERYONE in Athens that Josh is engaged to Andi?    We have no proof what so ever, or even data leading us to believe that they broke their contract with ABC and announced this to the town of Athens.  

You think there is nothing wrong with someone recording a stranger's phone conversation?  The fact that the show has not even started airing yet, Nick probably thought it was safe to vent his anguish or frustration.  

Also, TPTB are clearly defending Nick at this point.  CH, Elan, and Robert Mills, just to name a few.  Apparently ABC didn't see his conversation as a breach of contract or else their feelings about him would be a lot different.  Just one more thing to indicate that this video is a foiler.