Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

Me too! And I can comprehend the various points of view.
Except for Elan's. Elan is silly, hilarious or insane depending on the POV. But Elan makes his own jokes.
And Elan has never that I can remember messed with the show.

sdmom wrote:If I remember correctly, someone said RS said someone "recognized" Nick, not someone who heard Nick talking about the show. Anyway, I can see points from both sides and I myself changes my mind all the time!
I appreciate everyone being honest and open in this discussion .

My original thought was that maybe someone recognized Nick's handler OR overheard the conversation between Nick and his handler and put two and two together. I too have issues with the coincidences but, sadly, I think the video is real.

Sophie ... to this day I don't understand myself with the logic of this video being part of this season.
To me the video is real as real could be. Meaning:
- It's chopped - we don't know what he said before, during (part1 and part2) and after. It's easier to say then he was bashing, he was lashing ...
- It is done in a way that for me is hard to believe that Nick wasn't aware or didn't comprehend what he was doing - spilling the beans (I wrote my take on that before)
- Nick isn't that good in faking or following some scripted form ... but if you let him be himself, say whatever he means, he can deliver even an invented story (since sarcasm & irony are his "forte") ... that said, I don't know what to make of the story regarding the end - because it makes total sense that that is how it could go down (totally plausible), and for the Josh part - I believe he said what he actually meant (we already discussed this) and believed (so I don't really see any need to apologize, unless he changed his view after seeing the show).

So despite believing that the video is real and despite seeing very obvious chemistry/attraction and possibility of Andi going for Josh ...

I feel like she connected with Nick on much more profound way, that it would be hard for me to imagine her walking away from that (if it would be me), especially since she stated and there are numerous indications of her wanting marriage and family fast.

And then comes into the play THE EDIT. The editing of the show (also the promotion and whole propaganda that goes with it, before, during and after filming) made me question many things, but the most upfront question that didn't go away was - Why is Josh so openly proclaimed F1? Everywhere.

And believe me when I say, if it would be that obvious that their chemistry surpasses everything that she has with Nick, I would have no problem saying it. But it's not so obvious, so to me it's really interesting, that majority of fans/viewers actually are not giving Nick any chance. Everyone is focused and convinced of Josh being F1.
Why?
- the bad rap they gave to Nick with the edited drama (people dislike him, more fans on Josh's side)
- late promotion of Nick (word about him didn't circulate as fast as about Josh, giving lesser platform)
- video
- all the articles/interviews/shows promoting TB calling out Josh as F1.

It makes me believe that the ending isn't so predictable ...

So that excludes the video as being real? - I don't know.

It could be a complete foiler (and then I would really be curious how they did it) or could be a real thing, just not the whole story ... and the rest is to be seen.
I'm confused myself, as you can see ... so I just want to enjoy these last couple of weeks, watching the story that I find beautiful. That is between Nick and Andi. Then after that, each with their own lives, we go on.

sophienette wrote:I have to ask again the Nick fans, and with no negative intent: I cannot get my head around the video being fake. I just cant.
Not because I can't imaging Nick as F1, because I can even though I see more with Josh.

I just cannot fathom someone described (Marquel tweets referenced above) as "the most genuine" doing something that deceptive. I can't. And as much as I like RS being wrong (you know the hate - hate relationship we have), i would rather have him gloat than know people I came to like, even through a silly reality TV show, would go to that kind of level.

So I ask, very honestly: please make me change my mind, please show me how it would be OK?

To me this would be a lot like Andi and her confrontation with JPG three days after the FS instead of in the FS? Was she annoyed with JPG? Sure. If he offered her a rose would she turn it down? Probably. Did she need to confront him and then not accept his answer and not let it go? Nope, to me that was a performance to try out for the bachelorette. And she did it well enough to get the job, but to me, it seemed over done.

The plane video if fake in my opinion would have been done with the permission of TPTB and most likely Andi and both F2. Again, nothing I heard in that video was that bad. So everyone being so upset about it was funny to me. When I initially heard it, I was still hoping for Andi to be with Josh (I had yet to watch her make him jump through hoops and me want him to get free), so it isn't like I was all gung ho Nick over Josh and it honestly didn't sound that bad to me. If you are dumped and upset and angry, this is the best you can come up with? Please, let me give you some lessons on being led on and then getting upset.

I know most think I am being silly or stupid. But there is simply so much spoiler info, that it makes me suspicious. Andi has been such a good little TPTB player, why the carelessness with Snapchat, why the over abundance of directed social media? It just seems too much to me. I am a scientist and as such too much of a good thing makes me question is it real or am I seeing what I want to see? Plus, how did RS get so much stuff? A mere year after the greatest foiler campaign ever? So weird to me.

I don't care who Andi picks. I think I want her to pick Nick as I like her better around him. I don't like her around Josh, so I don't want either of them stuck in that. Either way, I will be happy and hope the best for the couple. I truly believe is Chris and Des can work out after a one week switcheroo, then anything is possible.

I had 2 flights today and in each I was able to hear those beside and behind but those in front were hard to hear because of all the noise everywhere else. Now it could be that my flight was louder because it was a lot of people going on vacation but the people in front were also going on vacation. That's the problem I have this video. People facing away are very hard to hear so how can the sound be so clear?

Was the plane in the air?

albean99 wrote:I had 2 flights today and in each I was able to hear those beside and behind but those in front were hard to hear because of all the noise everywhere else. Now it could be that my flight was louder because it was a lot of people going on vacation but the people in front were also going on vacation. That's the problem I have this video. People facing away are very hard to hear so how can the sound be so clear?

I did the same experiment a month ago. I could not hear the people in front of me even though I know they were talking.

I am not sure what to think about the video. There has been some speculation in the Chris thread that perhaps Nick left with an assumption that she chose Josh and in fact, Chris came back and Andi is with him. At this point, nothing would surprise me including Chris being F1 and hiding in plain sight (MTA, tweeting with Andi).

I'd say real, but there's no harm in continuing to wonder/talk about it. Like everyone above said, there are some major coincidences that had to occur:

They had to be able to spot Nick
and be seated by him
and be the type of person that would videotape another person's private conversation
and get clear audio
and actually like RS   
and bother sending it to him

The stars were sure aligned for RS that night! Was Nick's bio on the ABC site as well at that time? Maybe RS has enough revenue now :vomit: that he can afford to have people out following the F2.

No one on this site; Kasha, Sophie- did you have a source? san, LM, has ever shed any light on how the spoiler for Des' season was wrong. (maybe I missed it) Seems like that was an intentional foiler by TPTB, albeit a less complicated one.

Sarah_XV wrote:Was the plane in the air?

No, it was boarding. Then that's another question: Nick chair seemed to be reclined. But don't they need to stay upright at boarding?   

How many people read this forum? How many people read Reality Steve? How many people in the world?

What are the chances of one of those 50 random people on the airplane recognizing a guy who is not on a TV show yet and having the gumption to start videoing him?

I think slim and none. I still vote for foiler.

sdmom wrote:

Sarah_XV wrote:Was the plane in the air?

No, it was boarding. Then that's another question: Nick chair seemed to be reclined. But don't they need to stay upright at boarding?   

Yes, they're supposed to be upright. But I was just on a flight last week where the couple in my row both had their seats reclined during the boarding process, and the flight attendant had to tell them to sit their seats upright on her final check before pulling away from the gate. I've also been in seats that were broken and wouldn't stay in the upright position. Always makes me wonder what else is broken on the plane.  :shocked!: