Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

pander3575 wrote:Also I think Nick liked to share with the guys about his relationship with Andi but I think Josh kept his private which would probably irritate Nick.  What I would like to hear from all four F4's is what they think watching the season back on other relationships Andi has.  

Somehow I must have missed this.  I've heard Nick say repeatedly that he is there for MeAndi, etc.  What has Nick shared about his actual relationship with her?

Agree it would be fun to hear F4 talk about their "relationship" with MeAndi after the fact.  We have to wait 2 years until their contract expires to get their true feelings.  By then, I doubt they will be thinking much about their time with Pookie.

Happygolucky, thanks for sharing the content of the plane video.

I also don't think that Nick shared about his relationship with Andi ... wasn't the Patrick guy, who said it, that the guys don't know what he (Nick) thinks, because he doesn't talk about it. He did though talk about the show, how it works, what could happen, what certain rose means and how usually went down with the guys who got the rose and went ahead (the patterns that were giving him certainty and clues that he is important to Andy) ... and that irritated the other guys.

luvlady345 wrote:See I don't think he is accurate at all about Josh/Andi's relationship he said that Josh will do whatever she wants and that is not the truth because from what is edit Josh is the only one willing to stand up to Andi and call her on her BS-hence the lie detector date when he told her what he felt about it, instead of just going along... As far as what Josh does eat, sleep and s**t well we all do that....

and being the last 1 to tell her he is FIL...

janeh810 wrote:Also, we are seeing the edit.  99% of the film is edited out.  So, Nick may not have as great a tunnel vision that shows on the TV.  If he was blindsided, he certainly recovered quickly afterwards.  

The video is not edited though.

Could "he didnt open up" (note, he doesnt say "he didnt open up to her") refer to Josh not sharing his dates play by play with the other guys?

BTW, "super emotional and highly insecure" are not digs? Really? Th feelings maybe, bu the additions of "super" and "highly" to me turns the whole comment into a jab at Josh.

As for Andi, I m sure she loved hearing a guy calling her "incredibly stubborn" and "passive aggressive" after being supposedly in love with her 48 hours prior.

IMO

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, Nick says in the video:

1. Negative about Josh
2. disadvantages of being in the Bachelorette bubble
3. disagrees with her decision
4. says that Andi won't change her mind, she's passive aggressive and stubborn
5. says "We clicked." She says, during HTD, "This is so easy." Then, at rejection, she says, "This is too hard." I can't do this." "I'm scared sh**tless."
6. Nick says she went back to what she's used to. He's resolved himself to "actions speak louder than words". She changed her mind at the last moment.

When does Nick think she changed her mind?

janeh810 wrote:Well, correct me if I'm wrong, Nick says in the video:

1.  Negative about Josh
2. disadvantages of being in the Bachelorette bubble
3.  disagrees with her decision
4.  says that Andi won't change her mind, she's passive   aggressive and stubborn
5. says "We clicked."  She says, during HTD, "This is so easy." Then, at rejection, she says, "This is too hard."  I can't do this." "I'm scared sh**tless."
6.  Nick says she went back to what she's used to.  He's resolved himself to "actions speak louder than words".  She changed her mind at the last moment.

When does Nick think she changed her mind?

According to the transcript, Nick did not say Andi is passive aggressive, right? He said if someone is passive aggressive. CMIIW.

IMO .. for me is not a dig, but probably because I'm not that invested in Josh as am I in Nick's story, so to me is just a talk, that can easily be reversed and that's why, I don't think Nick has any negative personal feelings towards Josh.

The same could be said when people call Nick arrogant and cocky and insensitive of guys' feelings in the house ... I as Nick's supporter would argue that he is not. But it can be accepted that in that particular situation he was indeed behaving that way. Was that then a dig against Nick made by other guys?

sophienette wrote:Could "he didnt open up" (note, he doesnt say "he didnt open up to her") refer to Josh not sharing his dates play by play with the other guys?

BTW, "super emotional and highly insecure" are not digs? Really? Th feelings maybe, bu the additions of "super" and "highly" to me turns the whole comment into a jab at Josh.

As for Andi, I m sure she loved hearing a guy calling her "incredibly stubborn" and "passive aggressive" after being supposedly in love with her 48 hours prior.

IMO

Best post!   The video is real and I am sure Andi did not like hearing she was "passive aggressive."   

happygolucky wrote:IMO .. for me is not a dig, but probably because I'm not that invested in Josh as am I in Nick's story, so to me is just a talk, that can easily be reversed and that's why, I don't think Nick has any negative personal feelings towards Josh.

The same could be said when people call Nick arrogant and cocky and insensitive of guys' feelings in the house ... I as Nick's supporter would argue that he is not. But it can be accepted that in that particular situation he was indeed behaving that way. Was that then a dig against Nick made by other guys?

Yes it was. And it is their opinion, at that time, and they are allowed to have it as WE are allowed to think it was a dig at Nick. Being honest does not stop is from being insulting to the person.

Show me a (non edited) video of Josh doing that and I will say Josh is having a dig at Nick.

I did not say Nick was being incredibly insulting, but let's be fair. If you were Josh or Andi, would you not feel a little insulted?

Nick was blindsided at the final rose ceremony because Josh never opened up about his relationship with andi and of course neither did Andi.

He said so in the video. I also think he seemed bitter and was defin itely attacking not only Andi, but Josh. You don't call someone "highly emotional," when you want to compliment them. ;)

I think Nick is fine now out of the bubble, but at the time of the video was very hurt and shocked. He was led on.