Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

I've been thinking long about this video (too much for my own good) ... and to me one thing is clear, whether it was "staged" or not, Nick in his "lashing out" about the personal characteristics of either Josh and Andi is pretty much spot-on, that said, the same things could be said about Nick himself, so I don't think he was saying them with intent of being negative towards those 2, just giving simple opinion, that was easy for him to communicate, because he genuinely sees them that way. (never does he express how he actually feels about them) ... But then he says something in the video about how Andi would say (or had said to his friends) that between them everything went/was so easy and by the end she changes her mind, which to him that means, that what she really meant was 'it's hard'.
Now I've seen the SC of his letter, couple of his ITMs and listen VO and Andi's and I keep hearing him always say how easy everything is between them, don't recall Andi saying that at all. It's him who keeps underlining that is so easy that it's almost scary and unreal. So it makes me wonder ... and I have no idea what the conclusion is.

See I don't think he is accurate at all about Josh/Andi's relationship he said that Josh will do whatever she wants and that is not the truth because from what is edit Josh is the only one willing to stand up to Andi and call her on her BS-hence the lie detector date when he told her what he felt about it, instead of just going along... As far as what Josh does eat, sleep and s**t well we all do that....

I think Andi implies that it's easy with Nick because she says they're on the same wavelength, they're thinking the same things, like he can read her mind. Anyway that's what I get from what she says about Nick.

Kasha had a great explanation of the plane video. I'll have to look it up.

luvlady345 wrote:See I don't think he is accurate at all about Josh/Andi's relationship he said that Josh will do whatever she wants and that is not the truth because from what is edit Josh is the only one willing to stand up to Andi and call her on her BS-hence the lie detector date when he told her what he felt about it, instead of just going along... As far as what Josh does eat, sleep and s**t well we all do that....

Also I think Nick liked to share with the guys about his relationship with Andi but I think Josh kept his private which would probably irritate Nick. What I would like to hear from all four F4's is what they think watching the season back on other relationships Andi has.

yeah well, that part about J&A relationship ... I guess he though that is how those two interact ... I don't know, I can only assume he has no idea of the relationship Andi built with Josh, so we as humans we tend to make a judgment based on our perception of facts and our experiences and also what we don't like or can't handle. I think I already posted somewhere, that I believe the passive-aggressive character of Andi is one more problematic part of relationship for Nick, which I don't make a big deal out of it, because we all have flaws, but the fact that he probably had problems with Andi because of that and because of her stubbornness ... it's easy to assume (for him) that if she has "easy" relationship with Josh, then he is the one to make a step back or do whatever Andi wants. It's of course a wrong deduction based on assumption that that relationship is easier than his. (if I make any sense)

happygolucky wrote:yeah well, that part about J&A relationship ... I guess he though that is how those two interact ... I don't know, I can only assume he has no idea of the relationship Andi built with Josh, so we as humans we tend to make a judgment based on our perception of facts and our experiences and also what we don't like or can't handle. I think I already posted somewhere, that I believe the passive-aggressive character of Andi is one more problematic part of relationship for Nick, which I don't make a big deal out of it, because we all have flaws, but the fact that he probably had problems with Andi because of that and because of her stubbornness ... it's easy to assume (for him) that if she has "easy" relationship with Josh, then he is the one to make a step back or do whatever Andi wants. It's of course a wrong deduction based on assumption that that relationship is easier than his. (if I make any sense)

I understand what you're saying and agree it's from his perspective.

Kashathediva wrote:

eirekay wrote:

Cecilia wrote:We don't know. I have a feeling she might tell him pre Final rose to spare him the humiliation of proposing. Or she will interrupt him before he has a chance to propose.

ITA.  In the video Nick says "“And I just kept saying it, just cuz I wanted…you know…and I said to her, I’m like ‘You don’t think I…’ and then, you know, instead of arguing with her I said, ‘You know what? I disagree.’ And I just left it at that…You know, I didn’t try to change her mind, I’m just like, ‘I disagree.’"

This sounded to me like a conversation that took place before the FR and not a conversation that would take place after a proposal was just turned down.

I have a feeling(pure speculation) that these broken phrases are going to take place when she says "it's not you, it's me. What I have with someone else is more."  
What he is going to disagree with is how much he thinks they have and how could it be otherwise and there is no convincing her. So he can disagree, but there is not much he can do about it.

Yes. And, his saying it was so easy is why he disagrees.

Is the whole video content posted on this thread? I would like to reread it.

I think Nick not being on GDs with Josh, Josh not sharing his relationship with Andi to the guys, Nick's arrogance thinking he's the only one who's right for Andi and no one else has what he and Andi have etc brought him to being blidsided (if we assume he's not the one) and this happens every season (just to diffrent degrees, Nick's is high though).

PS : you won't believe me if i tell you i've never listened to the video

bilolo wrote:I think Nick not being on GDs with Josh, Josh not sharing his relationship with Andi to the guys, Nick's arrogance thinking he's the only one who's right for Andi and no one else has what he and Andi have etc brought him to being blidsided (if we assume he's not the one) and this happens every season (just to diffrent degrees, Nick's is high though).

PS : you won't believe me if i tell you i've never listened to the video

Yes, same story just different season.

Also, we are seeing the edit. 99% of the film is edited out. So, Nick may not have as great a tunnel vision that shows on the TV. If he was blindsided, he certainly recovered quickly afterwards.

video transcript (I don't know if I'm breaking any rules for that)

“Yeah, like, Josh won’t say sh*t. Like, he’ll do whatever she wants. He’s not that…he didn’t open up, he just kinda…he just eats, sleeps, and sh*ts and like, has a bad temper, and…you know, and…I mean, he’s really competitive yeah…he’s super emotional, he’s really insecure, and…ummmm, and he uhhhhh….it uhhhhhh….(pause to stuff his face with Cheetos) (actually here he giggles/almost starts to laugh)…and ummm…forgot what I was gonna say…oh and he’s incredibly set in his ways…”

:23-34…“Because I sensed it throughout the whole thing…and I kept saying to her ‘I can’t wait til we’re in the real world…can’t wait til we get to do this stuff…we just go to, like, K-Mart and just chill…and don’t even have to worry about the this other stuff, you know?’”

:36-:50…“And I just kept saying it, just cuz I wanted…you know…and I said to her, I’m like ‘You don’t think I…’ and then, you know, instead of arguing with her I said, ‘You know what? I disagree.’ And I just left it at that…You know, I didn’t try to change her mind, I’m just like, ‘I disagree.’”

1:05-1:48…“But she won’t…it’s ok. I mean…for someone (inaudible)…it’s actually happened once….ummmm, it was the guy with the girl. The guy changed his mind. They’re actually (inaudible) and now they’re still married. But, ummm…she’s incredibly stubborn (looks at woman to his left who thinks he’s talking to loud. Hey, talk as loud as you want Nick. This is gold!)…ummm, she’s incredibly stubborn, and if someone is passive aggressive and bottles it up, it probably…you know what I’m sayin?”

1:52…“Oh, loved em.’ Love, love, loved her family. Great relationship with both her parents…”

2:06-2:40…“We just…we just clicked…I mean, it was so funny because throughout the season, she had…I had her meet some of my friends (he’s talking about the hometown date of course since that’d be the only time she could meet his friends) and they asked her ‘What is it’ and she said, one of the first things she said to me, she’s like, ‘This is so easy with you…’…she’s like, ‘This is so easy with you…’ And ironically, she’s basically saying, ‘It’s too hard. I can’t do this.’ You know, which, really wasn’t……27 (he must’ve just been asked her age)…she’s basically like, ‘I’m scared sh*tless.’”

(Pause to chow down on more Cheetos)…

2:48-3:00…“No, nope, ummmm, I mean, she went back to what she’s used to…I mean, I don’t know how else to…I mean again…actions speak louder than words, like, I don’t know what else to say other than, like, it seemed like she really changed her mind, like, at the last moment.”

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