Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

Jen15 wrote:

albean99 wrote:

For those that don't think Fleiss could pull off the recording, really? He puts on a whole tv show and gets what he wants from people all the time. It would be easy to prompt Nick by asking the right (leading) questions. It's easier to be natural if you're answering a question vs memorizing lines even if it's not all the truth. The cheetos could have been Nick's input and it certainly seems natural.  

Again the caveat for me is that I'm not saying this is definitely a foiler, only that it's a possibility. The biggest probability is that the video is real and the spoiler is right with Josh as f1. I'm fine with that since it's Andi's life & not mine but I'd find it very boring if she ends up with the type of guy she always dates and he lives in her city. I'm also all about them fooling RS.

Hi albean99!

Agreed!

I'm glad that people here are entertaining all options (very kindly!) so that makes me feel more comfortable in saying a few more words on this:  

1) His dialog on the plane seems SO out of line with who he was shown to be on the show (my eyes see a smart, well-spoken, kind guy) and who he has shown himself to be post show.
2) When I see the video, it seems like he is getting his cues on what to say from the person on the other line
3) I swear I think that Nick laughed close to the end of the first "30 second" vid.
4) If I were part of the show's production staff (HA!) I would be more than delighted to sit down around a conf table and brainstorm on "how can we foil this year!"

  

This whole season is just weird.

How about this:
The video is a set up (unknown who the F1 really is at this point)
The person filming is a producer/handler. It would be easy for them to get a seat right behind Nick. They film and of course he doesn't notice (on film) because he knows it is going on. The handler continues to follow him and take a couple of still pics to add to the mix.

I have no idea why Nick would do this, other than money or a chance to move about without people thinking he is F1.

Got my courage up to share my crazy idea behind the video:
premise: I really like Nick, out of all the guys, he is the most interesting to me, but the rest of the bunch each has been fine so far, even the "other villain" Andrew was clever enough with his answers in the "battles", so I couldn't put down anyone and it's not my intention.
That said ... I believe Nick isn't F1, but not sure which position he holds - all based just from watching the show and the edit the production team chose for him. Nothing more. Because if I would believe that all you see is real and completely honest portrayal of events I would be 100% sure Nick is the guy Andi chooses. But we all know better. So the doubt is legit.
So from that standpoint ... I think the video is "real".
Meaning: Nick really spills the beans how things go between him and Andy.
But ...
I was thinking long (maybe a bit too much for my own sanity) on why on earth would he be so "stupid", to talk SO loudly ON A PLANE about the ending of the experience ... just a day or 2 after the fact? (like he couldn't wait to make that call once safely behind the doors of own home? or before boarding on a plane when usually is required to not use the phone if not for important calls ... well, the ending of TB isn't that life-important to me)

I mean, I retain him an intelligent guy ... heck, all you hear lately from the guys on the show, as a criticism of Nick's attitude, is that he is a salesperson ... that he can manipulate good (let's say that they thought these things of him in the moment of particular circumstances and out of jealousy, maybe, so I don't think anything negative of them for being so negative of him) ...

so basically, his "opponents" are giving him credit to be good at selling a story, seeing and analyzing given situation and behaving accordingly to the place and moment he is in.

So, given the fact that not only me, who finds Nick extremely likeable, but even people who find him irritating, see in him certain amount of self-control, intelligence, slyness, ... I have difficulty to believe he would be talking out loud about the things that should be kept secret (beside obliged by contract to NOT tell) ... unaware someone can hear him, remember him and later report things heard, let alone record him and send out the news immediately.

So my hypothesis is ... he did it intentionally.
Why?
I don't think the producers of TB have something to do with it ... if I continue with my first belief that he is not F1.

He went into the "game" prompted by friends, sceptic about the sincerity/realness/seriousness of the show's "quest for love" ... but with full-on commitment to give his all, to be himself, to show true-self, good and bad, ready to be judged, derided, fall in love and left heartbroken (not saying these actually happened) ... and he went ahead anyway ... because he believed. He gave this "show" a chance. He gave Andy a chance to get to know him, to get to know her, to see if they could work it (out of there in real world). He started to believe, he let his guards down, he decided to be vulnerable and to show emotions on national TV ... and he got burned (if I believe that's the reason behind him going home on that plane and being rejected).
So ... maybe, it's his way of "sending a message" ... "you've made me a believer, now I spoil your season by revealing the end".
Because honestly, everything he says in the video about Josh or Andi shouldn't be taken as negative, they are "fair personal opinions" of someone who spent time with these people and he "read their personal characteristics" that way. He never says that those traits are bad, irritating, unpleasant, unattractive or negative. Because we all have some traits of our personality that we might not even like, but someone could find them endearing... so he is not utterly negative about the "pair" ... and the fact that he even laughs and "loses the line of thought" during the delivery of character description ... makes me think he KNOWS how those comments sound (it would be really interesting to know who he was talking to?) ... I'm not saying he fakes, actually I believe he means every words he says, but he isn't negative about it. The negativity is in our response as a viewer - and our preferences of people, we decide how to interpret that one-way conversation. So to me, he knew or at least was very much aware to be in a position to be heard/seen by someone and with that open to the possibility that the information about the end comes out.

Now for those who want to believe that he is indeed F1, my interpretation of his behavior can give you the same reason to believe that the whole video is staged to divert us from the real ending.

happygolucky wrote:Got my courage up to share my crazy idea behind the video:
premise: I really like Nick, out of all the guys, he is the most interesting to me, but the rest of the bunch each has been fine so far, even the "other villain" Andrew was clever enough with his answers in the "battles", so I couldn't put down anyone and it's not my intention.
That said ... I believe Nick isn't F1, but not sure which position he holds - all based just from watching the show and the edit the production team chose for him. Nothing more. Because if I would believe that all you see is real and completely honest portrayal of events I would be 100% sure Nick is the guy Andi chooses. But we all know better. So the doubt is legit.
So from that standpoint ... I think the video is "real".
Meaning: Nick really spills the beans how things go between him and Andy.
But ...
I was thinking long (maybe a bit too much for my own sanity) on why on earth would he be so "stupid", to talk SO loudly ON A PLANE about the ending of the experience ... just a day or 2 after the fact? (like he couldn't wait to make that call once safely behind the doors of own home? or before boarding on a plane when usually is required to not use the phone if not for important calls ... well, the ending of TB isn't that life-important to me)

I mean, I retain him an intelligent guy ... heck, all you hear lately from the guys on the show, as a criticism of Nick's attitude, is that he is a salesperson ... that he can manipulate good (let's say that they thought these things of him in the moment of particular circumstances and out of jealousy, maybe, so I don't think anything negative of them for being so negative of him) ...

so basically, his "opponents" are giving him credit to be good at selling a story, seeing and analyzing given situation and behaving accordingly to the place and moment he is in.

So, given the fact that not only me, who finds Nick extremely likeable, but even people who find him irritating, see in him certain amount of self-control, intelligence, slyness, ... I have difficulty to believe he would be talking out loud about the things that should be kept secret (beside obliged by contract to NOT tell) ... unaware someone can hear him, remember him and later report things heard, let alone record him and send out the news immediately.

So my hypothesis is ... he did it intentionally.
Why?
I don't think the producers of TB have something to do with it ... if I continue with my first belief that he is not F1.

He went into the "game" prompted by friends, sceptic about the sincerity/realness/seriousness of the show's "quest for love" ... but with full-on commitment to give his all, to be himself, to show true-self, good and bad, ready to be judged, derided, fall in love and left heartbroken (not saying these actually happened) ... and he went ahead anyway ... because he believed. He gave this "show" a chance. He gave Andy a chance to get to know him, to get to know her, to see if they could work it (out of there in real world). He started to believe, he let his guards down, he decided to be vulnerable and to show emotions on national TV ... and he got burned (if I believe that's the reason behind him going home on that plane and being rejected).
So ... maybe, it's his way of "sending a message" ... "you've made me a believer, now I spoil your season by revealing the end".
Because honestly, everything he says in the video about Josh or Andi shouldn't be taken as negative, they are "fair personal opinions" of someone who spent time with these people and he "read their personal characteristics" that way. He never says that those traits are bad, irritating, unpleasant, unattractive or negative. Because we all have some traits of our personality that we might not even like, but someone could find them endearing... so he is not utterly negative about the "pair" ... and the fact that he even laughs and "loses the line of thought" during the delivery of character description ... makes me think he KNOWS how those comments sound (it would be really interesting to know who he was talking to?) ... I'm not saying he fakes, actually I believe he means every words he says, but he isn't negative about it. The negativity is in our response as a viewer - and our preferences of people, we decide how to interpret that one-way conversation. So to me, he knew or at least was very much aware to be in a position to be heard/seen by someone and with that open to the possibility that the information about the end comes out.

Now for those who want to believe that he is indeed F1, my interpretation of his behavior can give you the same reason to believe that the whole video is staged to divert us from the real ending.

  

 thanky you Jen, love reading you all ... I mean, since I don't know much about the whole Bachelor franchise I can't talk about the choices of the production team (names and abbreviations I don't remember) based on past seasons ... but just from "logical" thinking of how certain "reality shows" work their magic with editing I have my great doubts about Nick's finale. Of course, liking him, I wish the best for him and if he thinks that's Andy and they are together now (reading my imaginary scenario) ... I'm happy for him. If he was let go, as I believe, then I'm sure he is fine, partying and mingling.

And for a guy who described his "romantic view on relationship" as a conscious choice to be with someone despite other possibilities ... it would be more understandable that he went on with that phone-call, fully aware of repercussions, once again - in his style - taking control into his hands - deciding the end, by revealing it "completely innocently".
It goes well with those who like to judge him and call him "tricky Nicky".
And while they might see that as something negative - I find very appealing, 'cuz a savvy man is a wise man ... and I find the great minds very attractive.

albean99 wrote:I know this was discussed way up thread but I didn't get a chance to finish last night so bear with me.    

I have an iPhone 5 and can zoom but that doesn't help with the sound which makes it seems less likely it was a random passenger since they wouldn't likely have the right equipment to get such good sound. In that case I guess they could bribe someone to switch seats but how do they do that without Nick catching on? The question is would it be someone in the business who is connected to RS, random paparazzi (but why give it to RS unless he's the only taker?), or it could be someone assigned by Fleiss.  

For those that don't think Fleiss could pull off the recording, really? He puts on a whole tv show and gets what he wants from people all the time. It would be easy to prompt Nick by asking the right (leading) questions. It's easier to be natural if you're answering a question vs memorizing lines even if it's not all the truth. The cheetos could have been Nick's input and it certainly seems natural.  

Again the caveat for me is that I'm not saying this is definitely a foiler, only that it's a possibility. Like I've said before it's also possible that it's real from Nick's point of view yet still a foiler if someone else came back to the FRC and Andi accepted. I'm leaning against this one right now because it would probably have to be Chris or Marcus and I'm really not seeing either of them with Andi. The biggest probability is that the video is real and the spoiler is right with Josh as f1. I'm fine with that since it's Andi's life & not mine but I'd find it very boring if she ends up with the type of guy she always dates and he lives in her city. I'm also all about them fooling RS.

I'm definitely with you albean. I think Fliess could have made the recording AND if he didn't make the recording could have it buried somehow if he wanted to. There are no comments by TPTB about it... making me believe that they WANT it out there to muddy the waters.

docnash14 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

beader wrote:Does anyone know where the transcript is of the video where he talks about one guy getting back with his F2 and actually marrying her?  I can't remember the order of that mention and the planting a seed comment.  IF the video was a set-up, could this be a telling comment?

It was said that TPTB made Jason pick Melissa, knowing he would get back with Molly, but I don't know how much of that was true.

The mentioning of Jason, Molly and Melissa situation is odd too.  I don't know if it is real or not, but it is definitely suspect to me.

As far as I know, we don't know if Nick has watched prior seasons so his being aware of the particulars of Jason's season (although I don't believe he called them by name, did he?) is interesting.  However, based on what the poster who knows Brian has indicated, Brian has been a fan of the show and has watched previous seasons.  So it is plausible that in all of their down time together prior seasons were discussed.

I said before I am sure Nick has watched the show before... Mentionned tights to Cody about his Romeo and Juliet date (Arie anyone?)

rosesrREd wrote:Also, Nick mentioned that "she stuck with what she was used to."  Hinting that she went with Josh.  

We have heard all season long how "jocks" were Andi's type.  However, how would Nick know what Andi's type was?  He probably wouldn't, but the production crew would, and that's information that could have fed to him.

PLus her entire F6 are (ex) athletes!  

sophienette wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

The mentioning of Jason, Molly and Melissa situation is odd too.  I don't know if it is real or not, but it is definitely suspect to me.

As far as I know, we don't know if Nick has watched prior seasons so his being aware of the particulars of Jason's season (although I don't believe he called them by name, did he?) is interesting.  However, based on what the poster who knows Brian has indicated, Brian has been a fan of the show and has watched previous seasons.  So it is plausible that in all of their down time together prior seasons were discussed.

I said before I am sure Nick has watched the show before... Mentionned tights to Cody about his Romeo and Juliet date (Arie anyone?)

   historically, all parts in Shakespearean plays were played by men and they wore tights. Just saying. You don't have to be a Bach viewer to know that so...

albean99 wrote:I know this was discussed way up thread but I didn't get a chance to finish last night so bear with me.    

I have an iPhone 5 and can zoom but that doesn't help with the sound which makes it seems less likely it was a random passenger since they wouldn't likely have the right equipment to get such good sound. In that case I guess they could bribe someone to switch seats but how do they do that without Nick catching on? The question is would it be someone in the business who is connected to RS, random paparazzi (but why give it to RS unless he's the only taker?), or it could be someone assigned by Fleiss.  

For those that don't think Fleiss could pull off the recording, really? He puts on a whole tv show and gets what he wants from people all the time. It would be easy to prompt Nick by asking the right (leading) questions. It's easier to be natural if you're answering a question vs memorizing lines even if it's not all the truth. The cheetos could have been Nick's input and it certainly seems natural.  

Again the caveat for me is that I'm not saying this is definitely a foiler, only that it's a possibility. Like I've said before it's also possible that it's real from Nick's point of view yet still a foiler if someone else came back to the FRC and Andi accepted. I'm leaning against this one right now because it would probably have to be Chris or Marcus and I'm really not seeing either of them with Andi. The biggest probability is that the video is real and the spoiler is right with Josh as f1. I'm fine with that since it's Andi's life & not mine but I'd find it very boring if she ends up with the type of guy she always dates and he lives in her city. I'm also all about them fooling RS.

Has she dated Financial advisers in the past?    

rosesrREd wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

nutty1 wrote:But that was the Air Wisconsin flight, correct? And the attendants did not have on the correct uniform? Did RS say what date he actually received the video?

This is according to RS: " Nick Viall was on US Airways flight 3837 from Charlotte to Milwaukee with a scheduled departure at 7:44pm that arrived in Milwaukee at 8:46pm"

I posted the actual May 11th flight information up thread, but that actual flight on that date arrived at 20 minutes early.  So, it seems he may not have all the details accurate.

The reason I am asking is because IF he had a layover in Charlotte, he would need to fly on a US Airways flight out of the DR.

the person who gave RS the video was obviously on the flight so i would think RS has been given the correct info.

happygolucky wrote: thanky you Jen, love reading you all ... I mean, since I don't know much about the whole Bachelor franchise I can't talk about the choices of the production team (names and abbreviations I don't remember) based on past seasons ... but just from "logical" thinking of how certain "reality shows" work their magic with editing I have my great doubts about Nick's finale. Of course, liking him, I wish the best for him and if he thinks that's Andy and they are together now (reading my imaginary scenario) ... I'm happy for him. If he was let go, as I believe, then I'm sure he is fine, partying and mingling.

And for a guy who described his "romantic view on relationship" as a conscious choice to be with someone despite other possibilities ... it would be more understandable that he went on with that phone-call, fully aware of repercussions, once again - in his style - taking control into his hands - deciding the end, by revealing it "completely innocently".
It goes well with those who like to judge him and call him "tricky Nicky".
And while they might see that as something negative - I find very appealing, 'cuz a savvy man is a wise man ... and I find the great minds very attractive.

I love reading a fresh point of view!   

rosesrREd wrote:

George1218 wrote:I just watched the video on youtube for the first time and I think it is a plant.  I don't know if it is to try to cover up Nick being F1 or what but I think it was set up.

Interested to know the reason why you think it's a plant.

To me it sounded very monotone and scripted, with no real feeling. It seemed like it he was putting on an act. I would think that if this was for real and taken on his way home after getting dumped he would have had a lot more feeling/emotion in his voice talking about the situation.