Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

George1218 wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

George1218 wrote:I just watched the video on youtube for the first time and I think it is a plant.  I don't know if it is to try to cover up Nick being F1 or what but I think it was set up.

Interested to know the reason why you think it's a plant.

To me it sounded very monotone and scripted, with no real feeling.  It seemed like it he was putting on an act.  I would think that if this was for real and taken on his way home after getting dumped he would have had a lot more feeling/emotion in his voice talking about the situation.

Much as I like Nick post-show, I find him pretty monotone...

sophienette wrote:

George1218 wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

Interested to know the reason why you think it's a plant.

To me it sounded very monotone and scripted, with no real feeling.  It seemed like it he was putting on an act.  I would think that if this was for real and taken on his way home after getting dumped he would have had a lot more feeling/emotion in his voice talking about the situation.

Much as I like Nick post-show, I find him pretty monotone...

I understand what your saying and agree, but after watching that video for the second time I still feel as if I was watching a play or something.  He seemed like he was reciting lines from a script to me.

So, I've tried to think of good explanation for the statement I believe Nick isn't F1 and why then this video is real as "real could be for TB".
1) Nick describes Andy with 2 adjectives, that in all honesty I don't find "wrong", negative, denigrating or in some twisted way some might think "a payback":
stubborn and passive aggressive (who bottles up, eventually...) ... 2 characteristics she indeed showed throughout the past 6 episodes (the only ones I've seen of her, since I haven't followed before, oh and I've seen that short segment of her "reprimanding" JP before her exit last year with that "it's not OK" speech - another example of her passive aggresive behavior). Now with passive aggressive the most obvious example comes to my mind with the whole "Eric speech" before his exit ... when it was obvious (to me, let alone to him) that she wasn't that interested in him, which I can also cut her some slack, that Eric's constant questioning her if she felt their first date OK, if she had the same connection and feelings as him from their first date (and not moving forward) ... well, to me it was a little bit too insecure from his part (and then someone would criticize Nick for being "overly confident", geez, it's called self-confidence, that in a real world outside of TB confines is a desirable trait of any person, a characteristic that also helps you built a life, career, make plans and mostly execute them)  ... anyway Andy in that whole speech, that Eric was giving her about poker-face, was being quiet, making faces, (like faces that I've seen before making when she was annoyed by questions she couldn't answer in all honesty) obviously boiling inside, by lashing out then with such a negativity, that for a person like Eric, who hasn't come to her with his doubts to criticize her, but to understand his own position, to understand her and whether he's wrong thinking that way, her rage was total throw-back ... I think TB production down-played the whole scene for the sake of Eric's memory and to "protect" Andy's image also.

About the stubbornness ... she demonstrated it with Nick and Josh, when questioning them, their behavior while having already her own "answer" in her head.
I have no idea what the last issue between her and Nick will be (or should say - was) ... but to me, since I actually "buy the story to be truthful" what Nick is saying in the video, they will have another discussion - it would be like their 3rd if not mistaken, since 1st one was over Cody's and Chris' comments of Nick's arrogance and being frontrunner, 2nd we'll see soon over his "bold and unfair" move from the next episode (she will "use" some guy, that would later send home, to tell her the voices between the guys over Nick to later reprimand him)
anyhow ... after the last one in DR ... if it is to be believed he was there as the final 3 ... he will "walk away" by not wanting to argue with her over points of view, giving her the "exit" - "if that's what you think, that's what you get."

And all is in lined with his observation of her character as his explanation of his behavior.

- so basically she is "stubbornly" lingering over the same issues with both 2 guys:
Nick> his confidence, arrogance - all he-she-said by someone else - the same someone else that today are called "Nick's friends", cheering for "the frontrunner", hashtagging "Joshabully" ...
Josh> his profession/past life/monogamous commitment/seriousness of feelings.

Already from those issues you can figure out who prevails.

(the fact that with one you're "angry" for futile things, reported by others, others that shouldn't even matter in the relationship between you2 and with the other you're "troubled" for not knowing where you stand, because it's TB, TV show, where the carpet is moving under your feet too fast and you're scared to fall)

But then I've read some statements here in some other thread, things she said in some of the latest interviews, after the decision already made, that indicates she made peace with the past/profession+relationship commitment issues ... again showing Josh as F1.

On account of these, I sincerely doubt Nick has any chance of being her real F1 and I do believe that Josh was from the start. The fact that chemistry is palpable although over-hidden, makes me even more confirm that certain things are over-exposed with Nick to hide the lack of story between her and other guys (let's say, he brings the drama - obviously not intentionally him personally, but who is there to create drama in first place), and make a way to introduce her "road to realization and peace" with the "jock type" that she clearly is attracted and she can't deny it at the end.
So I clearly do believe in her sincere feelings for Josh, as I can believe in his real interest in Andy. What I also believe (and don't feel attacked Josh's fans by saying this:) is that if there is one guy, who clearly thought to be a front-runner, who was keeping all to himself and was playing his game without getting into the faces of others, but still very much undermining them, it is Josh. And I don't blame him. It was after all a game to win girl's "heart" and guys were not there to make friends. But what an irony, that of all the people this season, Nick is the one with most guys participating being (wanting to be) his friends. So who's likeable now?

It just shows ... who you give priority to?

Nick, during the taping of the show, must have been concentrated to court Andy, guys came second (which it can be irritating to some insecure/jealous types, but not as much as long the TBTP (the producers, right?) don't make it sound a big deal, asking "certain" questions, to get "certain" answers, to be able to make "certain" problem for viewers to witness and Andy to resolve, but in the free-time, off the record, pass-time sans Andy, he must have being a nice, respectful guy, funny/crazy/interesting enough to hang out on those boring hours while waiting for a next date, that those guys not only bonded over the experience, but also liked his personality wanting to continue hanging out with him.

^^ love your thought provoking posts. Glad you have joined us

gabriele wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

I posted the actual May 11th flight information up thread, but that actual flight on that date arrived at 20 minutes early.  So, it seems he may not have all the details accurate.

The reason I am asking is because IF he had a layover in Charlotte, he would need to fly on a US Airways flight out of the DR.

the person who gave RS the video was obviously on the flight so i would think RS has been given the correct info.

The times that RS quoted was the listed departure and arrival times, not the ACTUAL times. As the actual times are different. So, I don't believe RS was given all the information. He was perhaps given the flight number, and probably Google the times as any smo could do, meaning his knowledge of the flight may not be as vast as he is making it out to be.

He did tweet on May 11, so we know it was not any later than that date. That is what I wanted to know myself.

nutty1 wrote:He did tweet on May 11, so we know it was not any later than that date. That is what I wanted to know myself.

Nick?

rosesrREd wrote:

nutty1 wrote:He did tweet on May 11, so we know it was not any later than that date. That is what I wanted to know myself.

Nick?

No, RS. Sorry, I was reading all the posts, and typing what I was thinking!
I had been wondering if we knew for sure Nick's flight was definitely May 11, I was wondering if a later day was possible. But it isn't possible.

nutty1 wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

nutty1 wrote:He did tweet on May 11, so we know it was not any later than that date. That is what I wanted to know myself.

Nick?

No, RS. Sorry, I was reading all the posts, and typing what I was thinking!
I had been wondering if we knew for sure Nick's flight was definitely May 11, I was wondering if a later day was possible. But it isn't possible.

Well, May 11th date had to have come from the person that shot the video. Clearly, RS has got some of the details wrong regarding this flight. He quoted the listed flight times, however, this flight on May 11th arrived in Milwaukee about 25 or so minutes early. He just Googled the flight number and posted the listed information. Which I think eliminates any thinking that RS hired the person shooting the video. He would have had more exact times, if this person was on his payroll.

rosesrREd wrote:

docnash14 wrote:

nutty1 wrote:But that was the Air Wisconsin flight, correct? And the attendants did not have on the correct uniform? Did RS say what date he actually received the video?

This is according to RS: " Nick Viall was on US Airways flight 3837 from Charlotte to Milwaukee with a scheduled departure at 7:44pm that arrived in Milwaukee at 8:46pm"

I posted the actual May 11th flight information up thread, but that actual flight on that date arrived at 20 minutes early.  So, it seems he may not have all the details accurate.

The reason I am asking is because IF he had a layover in Charlotte, he would need to fly on a US Airways flight out of the DR.

I think the bold explains that pic of Nick walking through the airport. There were posters that said it was too light out to be the correct time. I'm almost ashamed to admit that I did a rather unscientific experiment Friday night to try and explain the light/time discrepancy in the photo. I sat in my living room and watched how much light came through the window starting at sunset. It took about 45 minutes for it to get dark enough for the light to dry up. Sunset on May 11th in Milwaukee was at 8:04 with it getting dark around 8:50. If his flight was 20 minutes early he was walking through the airport with about 15 minutes of light to spare. I think about this show way too much!

rosesrREd wrote:

nutty1 wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

Nick?

No, RS. Sorry, I was reading all the posts, and typing what I was thinking!
I had been wondering if we knew for sure Nick's flight was definitely May 11, I was wondering if a later day was possible. But it isn't possible.

Well, May 11th date had to have come from the person that shot the video.  Clearly, RS has got some of the details wrong regarding this flight.  He quoted the listed flight times, however, this flight on May 11th arrived in Milwaukee about 25 or so minutes early.  He just Googled the flight number and posted the listed information.  Which I think eliminates any thinking that RS hired the person shooting the video.  He would have had more exact times, if this person was on his payroll.  

I doubt the person who took the video would have thought it important to tell RS the flight arrived early.

nutty1 wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

nutty1 wrote:

No, RS. Sorry, I was reading all the posts, and typing what I was thinking!
I had been wondering if we knew for sure Nick's flight was definitely May 11, I was wondering if a later day was possible. But it isn't possible.

Well, May 11th date had to have come from the person that shot the video.  Clearly, RS has got some of the details wrong regarding this flight.  He quoted the listed flight times, however, this flight on May 11th arrived in Milwaukee about 25 or so minutes early.  He just Googled the flight number and posted the listed information.  Which I think eliminates any thinking that RS hired the person shooting the video.  He would have had more exact times, if this person was on his payroll.  

I doubt the person who took the video would have thought it important to tell RS the flight arrived early.

that's how i feel too.