Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

Who does Nick think is passive aggressive? Who would he be referring to? Just a general question.

Ash2214 wrote:Considering I agree with soccermom about this too, I'm going to jump in if that's okay!

If people were to believe that the video of Nick on the plane is a foiler, in a way you would have to agree that every other clue is a foiler too. If Nick's video was part of some master plan and in reality he ended up with Andi, then the snap chat clue between Josh and Andi would have to be a foiler too that both Josh and Andi agreed to do because why else would they be snap chatting if they weren't together? All of the little clues that the Murray family have given us would have to be a foiler too that they all agreed to do because all of these little things point to Josh, not Nick.

Ash, thanks for your response.
You've strung 3 clues together that make your point... but there are others that would contradict it...

janeh810 wrote:I think, if someone, who was not a close friend, told me, to my face, that I was insecure and passive aggressive, I would say, What, are you a therapist?  

   Especially Andi. Does anyone remember her reaction to Eric??

As far as all things being a foiler. My point is everyone seems to be focusing on what they want to focus on. The biggest clue of this season, imo, is the YELLOW RIBBON! Sophie sleuthed it all out and the screen caps are there. Josh was not wearing the yellow ribbon when the show started and it appeared on his wrist during the date he had with andi in Brussels. The ribbon matches the ribbon used to tie the candy in the exact store they went to. (Thanks sophie!)

Josh is still wearing the ribbon today. If you believe the plane video is a foiler and Nick is the real final 1, then you have to believe the ribbon is a foiler too, because the ribbon points to Josh being final 1. There are many more examples out there with the abundance of clues this season.

  

sdmom wrote:

janeh810 wrote:Nick said, "if someone is passive aggressive" .  The implication is that he is referring to Andi, as he uses other adjectives to describe her, each by using her name in that sentence.

This is the transcript: “But she won’t…it’s ok. I mean…for someone (inaudible)…it’s actually happened once….ummmm, it was the guy with the girl. The guy changed his mind. They’re actually (inaudible) and now they’re still married. But, ummm…she’s incredibly stubborn (looks at woman to his left who thinks he’s talking to loud. Hey, talk as loud as you want Nick. This is gold!)…ummm, she’s incredibly stubborn, and if someone is passive aggressive and bottles it up, it probably…you know what I’m sayin?”

He said she's stubborn so she would not change her mind like Jason. That part I understand why he would say it, but I don't understand  how "if someone is passive aggressive...." applied to the context
Sorry, I feel Nick is being bashed enough, so I don't want to see his words being misquoted. That's what fans are for: to defend their favorite   

It's hard to know the context without knowing what the person on the other end was saying, in essence we only heard one half of a conversation.  Now if we're going to believe that the person on the other end was just feeding Nick lines and not actually conversing with him, it makes me wonder who came up with this "script" that jumped from one non sequitur to another.  Seems awfully random.

SueSt wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:Considering I agree with soccermom about this too, I'm going to jump in if that's okay!

If people were to believe that the video of Nick on the plane is a foiler, in a way you would have to agree that every other clue is a foiler too. If Nick's video was part of some master plan and in reality he ended up with Andi, then the snap chat clue between Josh and Andi would have to be a foiler too that both Josh and Andi agreed to do because why else would they be snap chatting if they weren't together? All of the little clues that the Murray family have given us would have to be a foiler too that they all agreed to do because all of these little things point to Josh, not Nick.

Ash, thanks for your response.
You've strung 3 clues together that make your point... but there are others that would contradict it...

Thanks for jumping in Ash.  I just answered on the above post.  I focused on the yellow ribbon.  

To me it sounded as: the person who is passive - aggressive and bottles it up, keeps to her/him-self the problems/issues that are bothering her/him ... and eventually snaps, spills out all their distaste/disagreement with something, becomes difficult to have an openly-honest conversation, with a possibility to respond, justify, oppose to their conclusions ... it can be a problem for a future relationship.

SueSt wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:Considering I agree with soccermom about this too, I'm going to jump in if that's okay!

If people were to believe that the video of Nick on the plane is a foiler, in a way you would have to agree that every other clue is a foiler too. If Nick's video was part of some master plan and in reality he ended up with Andi, then the snap chat clue between Josh and Andi would have to be a foiler too that both Josh and Andi agreed to do because why else would they be snap chatting if they weren't together? All of the little clues that the Murray family have given us would have to be a foiler too that they all agreed to do because all of these little things point to Josh, not Nick.

Ash, thanks for your response.
You've strung 3 clues together that make your point... but there are others that would contradict it...

Thanks for responding Sue! I would love to hear your thoughts on what contradicts it

The plane phone conversation was not a 2 sided conversation.  It was essentially one-sided, with Nick venting.  A quick question or two was asked, by the person on the other end, and Nick's answer was sufficient to guess the question.  TPTB could have been on the other phone providing Nick with what to say and Nick parroted it.  Or, TPTB trusted Nick with a script that Nick enacted.  It is true that we don't know if "she" or "he" or "someone", or answers to questions, refer to Andi and Josh.  But, I think TPTB would want most of that to be understood as referring to Andi and Josh for the sake of the foil.  JMO.

Ash2214 wrote:

SueSt wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:Considering I agree with soccermom about this too, I'm going to jump in if that's okay!

If people were to believe that the video of Nick on the plane is a foiler, in a way you would have to agree that every other clue is a foiler too. If Nick's video was part of some master plan and in reality he ended up with Andi, then the snap chat clue between Josh and Andi would have to be a foiler too that both Josh and Andi agreed to do because why else would they be snap chatting if they weren't together? All of the little clues that the Murray family have given us would have to be a foiler too that they all agreed to do because all of these little things point to Josh, not Nick.

Ash, thanks for your response.
You've strung 3 clues together that make your point... but there are others that would contradict it...

Thanks for responding Sue! I would love to hear your thoughts on what contradicts it

Since we don't know the outcome for sure (and even if we did) I don't think it would ever be possible to dig down into everything that is real vs. producer generated. In the age of social media it's just a slippery slope; nothing is as it seems and everyone has an opinion. At the end of the day, what is the truth??? And so I think we should focus on enjoying our love stories unfold!

Ash2214 wrote:Considering I agree with soccermom about this too, I'm going to jump in if that's okay!

If people were to believe that the video of Nick on the plane is a foiler, in a way you would have to agree that every other clue is a foiler too. If Nick's video was part of some master plan and in reality he ended up with Andi, then the snap chat clue between Josh and Andi would have to be a foiler too that both Josh and Andi agreed to do because why else would they be snap chatting if they weren't together? All of the little clues that the Murray family have given us would have to be a foiler too that they all agreed to do because all of these little things point to Josh, not Nick.

I'll bite--why not? 
The same reason Arie went to fly to NC and deliver Emily post show his journal/letter whatever it was he delivered. The same reason TPTB were able to convince Jeremy to come back to De after being driven around in the limo. There could be oodles of reasons, none of which I spend the time to entertain. 
I will wait for the scs.   
The most telling thing to me is how many people in the network of Murray/Dorfman's have heard that this(MeandI/Josh) is the couple.  It would be hard to refute this, unless there was something concretely contrary.

Is it true? IDK. I remember during Jason's season an aunt-in-law who babysat Ty during the NZ MTP and FRC. She knew Jason picked Melissa. She knew how things ended and the immed afterwards. But she didn't know anything past that. I repeatedly contacted her to tell her what I knew. Knew. Not what I thought. 
What ended up happening is what I knew and not what she had known. Had known being over and done. I don't know Jason, Melissa or Molly, yet I had info on what had transpired with some proof. So you never know, until you know. (right Yogi?)

soccermom333 wrote:The biggest clue of this season, imo, is the YELLOW RIBBON!  

Nick is also wearing a brown leather bracelet post show.

Kashathediva wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:Considering I agree with soccermom about this too, I'm going to jump in if that's okay!

If people were to believe that the video of Nick on the plane is a foiler, in a way you would have to agree that every other clue is a foiler too. If Nick's video was part of some master plan and in reality he ended up with Andi, then the snap chat clue between Josh and Andi would have to be a foiler too that both Josh and Andi agreed to do because why else would they be snap chatting if they weren't together? All of the little clues that the Murray family have given us would have to be a foiler too that they all agreed to do because all of these little things point to Josh, not Nick.

I'll bite--why not? 
The same reason Arie went to fly to NC and deliver Emily post show his journal/letter whatever it was he delivered. The same reason TPTB were able to convince Jeremy to come back to De after being driven around in the limo. There could be oodles of reasons, none of which I spend the time to entertain. 
I will wait for the scs.   
The most telling thing to me is how many people in the network of Murray/Dorfman's have heard that this(MeandI/Josh) is the couple.  It would be hard to refute this, unless there was something concretely contrary.

Is it true? IDK. I remember during Jason's season an aunt-in-law who babysat Ty during the NZ MTP and FRC. She knew Jason picked Melissa. She knew how things ended and the immed afterwards. But she didn't know anything past that. I repeatedly contacted her to tell her what I knew. Knew. Not what I thought. 
What ended up happening is what I knew and not what she had known. Had known being over and done. I don't know Jason, Melissa or Molly, yet I had info on what had transpired with some proof. So you never know, until you know. (right Yogi?)

How many people had "clues" that Brooks was the F1? How many had "clues" Chantal was F1? A lot. It is easier to have strong confidence in clues which reveal Josh is the F1. Why? Because of RS spoiler. Granted he has been right, quite a bit, but he has also been wrong.

Clues about anyone else but Josh being the F1, quickly get dismissed, not because the clues are any less credible, but because people are confident in the spoiler. As we know, he has been wrong before.