Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

Kashathediva wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:Considering I agree with soccermom about this too, I'm going to jump in if that's okay!

If people were to believe that the video of Nick on the plane is a foiler, in a way you would have to agree that every other clue is a foiler too. If Nick's video was part of some master plan and in reality he ended up with Andi, then the snap chat clue between Josh and Andi would have to be a foiler too that both Josh and Andi agreed to do because why else would they be snap chatting if they weren't together? All of the little clues that the Murray family have given us would have to be a foiler too that they all agreed to do because all of these little things point to Josh, not Nick.

I'll bite--why not? 
The same reason Arie went to fly to NC and deliver Emily post show his journal/letter whatever it was he delivered. The same reason TPTB were able to convince Jeremy to come back to De after being driven around in the limo. There could be oodles of reasons, none of which I spend the time to entertain. 
I will wait for the scs.   
The most telling thing to me is how many people in the network of Murray/Dorfman's have heard that this(MeandI/Josh) is the couple.  It would be hard to refute this, unless there was something concretely contrary.

Is it true? IDK. I remember during Jason's season an aunt-in-law who babysat Ty during the NZ MTP and FRC. She knew Jason picked Melissa. She knew how things ended and the immed afterwards. But she didn't know anything past that. I repeatedly contacted her to tell her what I knew. Knew. Not what I thought. 
What ended up happening is what I knew and not what she had known. Had known being over and done. I don't know Jason, Melissa or Molly, yet I had info on what had transpired with some proof. So you never know, until you know. (right Yogi?)

ironcat wrote:

sdmom wrote:

janeh810 wrote:Nick said, "if someone is passive aggressive" .  The implication is that he is referring to Andi, as he uses other adjectives to describe her, each by using her name in that sentence.

This is the transcript: “But she won’t…it’s ok. I mean…for someone (inaudible)…it’s actually happened once….ummmm, it was the guy with the girl. The guy changed his mind. They’re actually (inaudible) and now they’re still married. But, ummm…she’s incredibly stubborn (looks at woman to his left who thinks he’s talking to loud. Hey, talk as loud as you want Nick. This is gold!)…ummm, she’s incredibly stubborn, and if someone is passive aggressive and bottles it up, it probably…you know what I’m sayin?”

He said she's stubborn so she would not change her mind like Jason. That part I understand why he would say it, but I don't understand  how "if someone is passive aggressive...." applied to the context
Sorry, I feel Nick is being bashed enough, so I don't want to see his words being misquoted. That's what fans are for: to defend their favorite   

It's hard to know the context without knowing what the person on the other end was saying, in essence we only heard one half of a conversation.  Now if we're going to believe that the person on the other end was just feeding Nick lines and not actually conversing with him, it makes me wonder who came up with this "script" that jumped from one non sequitur to another.  Seems awfully random.

jen689 wrote:

soccermom333 wrote:The biggest clue of this season, imo, is the YELLOW RIBBON!  

Nick is also wearing a brown leather bracelet post show.

rosesrREd wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:Considering I agree with soccermom about this too, I'm going to jump in if that's okay!

If people were to believe that the video of Nick on the plane is a foiler, in a way you would have to agree that every other clue is a foiler too. If Nick's video was part of some master plan and in reality he ended up with Andi, then the snap chat clue between Josh and Andi would have to be a foiler too that both Josh and Andi agreed to do because why else would they be snap chatting if they weren't together? All of the little clues that the Murray family have given us would have to be a foiler too that they all agreed to do because all of these little things point to Josh, not Nick.

I'll bite--why not? 
The same reason Arie went to fly to NC and deliver Emily post show his journal/letter whatever it was he delivered. The same reason TPTB were able to convince Jeremy to come back to De after being driven around in the limo. There could be oodles of reasons, none of which I spend the time to entertain. 
I will wait for the scs.   
The most telling thing to me is how many people in the network of Murray/Dorfman's have heard that this(MeandI/Josh) is the couple.  It would be hard to refute this, unless there was something concretely contrary.

Is it true? IDK. I remember during Jason's season an aunt-in-law who babysat Ty during the NZ MTP and FRC. She knew Jason picked Melissa. She knew how things ended and the immed afterwards. But she didn't know anything past that. I repeatedly contacted her to tell her what I knew. Knew. Not what I thought. 
What ended up happening is what I knew and not what she had known. Had known being over and done. I don't know Jason, Melissa or Molly, yet I had info on what had transpired with some proof. So you never know, until you know. (right Yogi?)

How many people had "clues" that Brooks was the F1?  How many had "clues" Chantal was F1?  A lot.  It is easier to have strong confidence in clues which reveal Josh is the F1.  Why?  Because of RS spoiler.  Granted he has been right, quite a bit, but he has also been wrong.  

Clues about anyone else but Josh being the F1, quickly get dismissed, not because the clues are any less credible, but because people are confident in the spoiler.  As we know, he has been wrong before.

rosesrREd wrote:What's the deal with the brown leather bracelet?

luvlady345 wrote:Someone posted that things are being dismissed for the other guys in the F4 what are the clues that are being dismissed for them? LOL we should have a thread with clues for each of them, so we all can see them because the clues seems to be disappearing...

jen689 wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:What's the deal with the brown leather bracelet?

Looking at Nicks photo's pre show and during the taping Nick was not wearing a bracelet



Since filming ended he has been wearing this brown leather bracelet

SueSt wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:Considering I agree with soccermom about this too, I'm going to jump in if that's okay!

If people were to believe that the video of Nick on the plane is a foiler, in a way you would have to agree that every other clue is a foiler too. If Nick's video was part of some master plan and in reality he ended up with Andi, then the snap chat clue between Josh and Andi would have to be a foiler too that both Josh and Andi agreed to do because why else would they be snap chatting if they weren't together? All of the little clues that the Murray family have given us would have to be a foiler too that they all agreed to do because all of these little things point to Josh, not Nick.

I'll bite--why not? 
The same reason Arie went to fly to NC and deliver Emily post show his journal/letter whatever it was he delivered. The same reason TPTB were able to convince Jeremy to come back to De after being driven around in the limo. There could be oodles of reasons, none of which I spend the time to entertain. 
I will wait for the scs.   
The most telling thing to me is how many people in the network of Murray/Dorfman's have heard that this(MeandI/Josh) is the couple.  It would be hard to refute this, unless there was something concretely contrary.

Is it true? IDK. I remember during Jason's season an aunt-in-law who babysat Ty during the NZ MTP and FRC. She knew Jason picked Melissa. She knew how things ended and the immed afterwards. But she didn't know anything past that. I repeatedly contacted her to tell her what I knew. Knew. Not what I thought. 
What ended up happening is what I knew and not what she had known. Had known being over and done. I don't know Jason, Melissa or Molly, yet I had info on what had transpired with some proof. So you never know, until you know. (right Yogi?)

thanks Kasha; you made a much more elegant and convincing argument that I ever could!