Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

Alanna wrote:

nd4reality wrote: ^^^ exactly the edited version.
Yeah I agree I don't see the edited arrogance letting up in the HTDs.

Me either. It's too tempting for tptb- the cockiest contestant ever getting his comeuppance at the frc?! It perfect drama. 

It does make me a little sad that he believed he was so in love with her and thought that she was his soulmate and cried about her and their relationship. Meanwhile he had no idea that she's really unattracted to mantears and is actually bending over backwards to win josh, who calms and soothes her tears over him instead. Yikes, watching this back cannot be pretty for him. SMH.

You say potato, I say potahhto.... I don't see Nick as cocky, just confident. And I think Andi has repeatedly said that she's attracted to Nick's vulnerability (his mantears). I agree that she is bending over backwards to win Josh - but that doesn't mean he's the right one or the Final one.

Nick said, "if someone is passive aggressive" .  The implication is that he is referring to Andi, as he uses other adjectives to describe her, each by using her name in that sentence.

Kashathediva wrote:I don't think most of this is difficult for him to watch. I think he is very comfortable in his own shoes and easily owns up to his feelings and mistakes. 
On another note, and I know it's my perspective, I don't see him as arrogant. I realize many do and I get it.
There are people who call it as they see it. Often they suffer from foot in mouth disease and often they have a sensitivity most would not suspect, too. 
He is openly honest and calls it as he sees it. Is that naive, perhaps. Is it arrogant, perhaps. Is he overly sensitive, perhaps. More likely that is how he is and he does not perceive it any of those ways, but it maybe that way accordingly to others. 
I think he is very comfortable and secure with himself. If anything this is a learning experience for him.

Great post, Kasha. I've said it before, but I see Nick as confident in his actions, yet vulnerable in his feelings... Killer combo! The key thing as noted by CH is that regardless of what the guys or ANY OF US think, Andi is all in!! That may change and she does have other great guys, but from what I SEE, at this point, she'll all about Nick.

If Andi's reaction to Eric's comments were any indication .. I can just imagine her reaction to Nick's descriptors...  

The whole thing about calling someone stubborn, passive-aggressive, insecure, whatever ...
it's that someone might not have anything negative in mind while saying that ... simply stating what he perceives are personal traits of someone ... and could probably be able to say it into their faces too, without feeling guilty.
It's the people on the other hand, who listen, who might be personally involved or are the subject of discussion that might feel something negative upon hearing those words (adjectives, whatever) ... if they already start with the idea that the person calling them out is actually negative towards them and making, so called, dig at them.

I write my point of view, since I'm very similar to the character that Kasha described in one of her preceding posts. I'm open-honest, say things like I see/feel them, when I want to, feel to, I don't really have any hidden agenda behind my words ... but usually people hearing me, having their own issues and motives, start to think the worst and take my words as something bad, as provocative, negative, when it wasn't my intention at all. As long they give me a chance to explain - great, if not, often happens that they remain with the wrong idea of the message. And yes, despite sounding completely insensible to others feelings, I'm quite sensitive and sensible.

soccermom333 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:I will play the devil's advocate.   
I really don't care how other's perceive me.   
If I go out of the house without makeup and my hair's a mess, so be it. I know others would never do this. If I run into someone I know, looking like a hot mess, I may think twice about doing it next time, but then the next time comes around and 75/25 I will go out a hot mess again! I really don't care.    I am quite comfortable in my own skin. 

There are 2 schools of thought on this video.
The first being someone caught Nick with his pants down--a private convo that he was not so circumspect with and video taped the convo.
The second being a spoof. 
I can see it being either. 
I would absolutely go along with it if it were a spoof and fill my mouth with food, talk loudly. If it were me, I would probably play it up more, unfortunately and give it away that it was a spoof. (think Melissa McCarthy)

Honestly, I don't think he is so worried about how this effects his image. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't steal. No physical violence was involved. I didn't hear any real offensive language. I don't think his livelihood is in jeopardy. 
I don't think this show is all that popular that he is going to have to go into hiding and assume a new identity. JMOAA

Thanks Kasha.  Your posts are always so well written.  

I disagree on one point though.  It will, imo, effect his image just a little.  At least for me and probably most here.  For crying out loud, he actually agreed to being a "puppet" for Tptb??!!  Yuk and yikes!  Not good.    :vomit: 

I don't think he is the type of man to be anyone's puppet.  Forget what he said about Josh, which was not flattering, but he called his fiance passive aggressive and stubborn.   

If you believe this is foiler, you have to believe all the other clues (and there is a lot) are foilers too.   

I know this has been rehashed over and over, but I believe the plane video has almost become irrelevant due to all the other "evidence" out there that points to the real ending.  imo of course!   :giggle: 

Soccermom, sorry, just have to ask - why does believing one foiler mean you have to believe all the other clues too??

albean99 wrote:Most viewers know nothing about the video so if it's a foiler it's only for one reason, to get RS.

I'm not so sure Nick's edit is due to the plane video. It seems to have been a tame season with most of the guys getting along so they used what they had and Nick gave them a lot to work with. They're more about working the edit and if it didn't play into what they want they're not going to do it. I remember a lot of conversations about how Courtney couldn't be the f1 because she was the villain but I believe they felt they had to use what she gave them and then there was the skinny dipping. She was never going to be liked by the viewers yet she was f1. I don't feel Nick rises to what she did by any stretch of the imagination but it was going to be a boring season without them jacking it up (in their minds of course). I don't think it matters whether Nick is f1 or not because they don't really care if we're in love with the f1. All they care about is drama and a surprise if they can manage it. Even better if they can fool RS along the way. I still think Josh is most likely the f1 but wouldn't be surprised either way.

Because much of my post is related to the edit I'm going to copy it to post there.

good post, Albean, thanks.

I think, if someone, who was not a close friend, told me, to my face, that I was insecure and passive aggressive, I would say, What, are you a therapist?

murasaki1393 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:I will play the devil's advocate.   
I really don't care how other's perceive me.   
If I go out of the house without makeup and my hair's a mess, so be it. I know others would never do this. If I run into someone I know, looking like a hot mess, I may think twice about doing it next time, but then the next time comes around and 75/25 I will go out a hot mess again! I really don't care.    I am quite comfortable in my own skin. 

There are 2 schools of thought on this video.
The first being someone caught Nick with his pants down--a private convo that he was not so circumspect with and video taped the convo.
The second being a spoof. 
I can see it being either. 
I would absolutely go along with it if it were a spoof and fill my mouth with food, talk loudly. If it were me, I would probably play it up more, unfortunately and give it away that it was a spoof. (think Melissa McCarthy)

Honestly, I don't think he is so worried about how this effects his image. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't steal. No physical violence was involved. I didn't hear any real offensive language. I don't think his livelihood is in jeopardy. 
I don't think this show is all that popular that he is going to have to go into hiding and assume a new identity. JMOAA

kasha, thanks for pointing a Golden Mine for me on your bolded.

*drum roll* From Elan's IG:

theyearofelan
1 month ago
casual Fridays

i personally carelessly renamed this IG as "Pantsing RS"     

OMG Mura - AWESOME connection - you are the BOMB!!!  

janeh810 wrote:Nick said, "if someone is passive aggressive" .  The implication is that he is referring to Andi, as he uses other adjectives to describe her, each by using her name in that sentence.

This is the transcript: “But she won’t…it’s ok. I mean…for someone (inaudible)…it’s actually happened once….ummmm, it was the guy with the girl. The guy changed his mind. They’re actually (inaudible) and now they’re still married. But, ummm…she’s incredibly stubborn (looks at woman to his left who thinks he’s talking to loud. Hey, talk as loud as you want Nick. This is gold!)…ummm, she’s incredibly stubborn, and if someone is passive aggressive and bottles it up, it probably…you know what I’m sayin?”

He said she's stubborn so she would not change her mind like Jason. That part I understand why he would say it, but I don't understand how "if someone is passive aggressive...." applied to the context
Sorry, I feel Nick is being bashed enough, so I don't want to see his words being misquoted. That's what fans are for: to defend their favorite   

Considering I agree with soccermom about this too, I'm going to jump in if that's okay!

If people were to believe that the video of Nick on the plane is a foiler, in a way you would have to agree that every other clue is a foiler too. If Nick's video was part of some master plan and in reality he ended up with Andi, then the snap chat clue between Josh and Andi would have to be a foiler too that both Josh and Andi agreed to do because why else would they be snap chatting if they weren't together? All of the little clues that the Murray family have given us would have to be a foiler too that they all agreed to do because all of these little things point to Josh, not Nick.

I give you an example from my real-life - most innocent story, someone close to me calls me (several times/days), I'm not in the mood to talk to anyone ...and I say no-one, not with my parents, not with my closest friends ... simply not in the mood to talk - so I don't answer... time passes I call them back, they ask why I haven't picked up the phone and me ... well, most people would come up with some excuse, white lie ... I tell the truth ... I wasn't in the mood to talk to anyone that day ...

what the person hears on the other side: I didn't want to talk to them specifically, because I had some unresolved issues with them.

Point of the story? ... people project own agenda on others' people words, we all do, me too.