Bachelorette 10: Edit-Storyline - *SPOILERS* - should we bother? Oooohhhh... why not?

murasaki1393 wrote:

JBF wrote:I think he was 16, wasn't he? Craig and his bottle has that position this year as an inside joke to those of us attempting to compare this season to last year... only it may still be like last year in end result... with another Chris S.

Yes he was 16. Got the edit of the first to come out of the 2nd limo(?) and a F1-ish limo door shot (I know 4 sure JP, Roberto got this edit too ..and maybe Jeffie if he wasn't coming by his skateboard? )

I believe that is the edited version mura and not the unedited version though.

JBF wrote:I miss Craig. That boy was so happy. I don't think Harrison could keep a straight face lecturing the guys while seeing Craig's arm around his favorite stud Josh. Did Craig tell you how much of a stud Josh was? Even though Andi is the most beautiful thing he ever saw.

  . True. The weirdest yet funniest thing ever . The way Craig praise Josh : stuuuuuuudddd!!

Have we had another antic guy drooling over another guy like that in the past ? (Really wonder what is the purpose of TPTB doing that?)

Aunties_Love wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

JBF wrote:I think he was 16, wasn't he? Craig and his bottle has that position this year as an inside joke to those of us attempting to compare this season to last year... only it may still be like last year in end result... with another Chris S.

Yes he was 16. Got the edit of the first to come out of the 2nd limo(?) and a F1-ish limo door shot (I know 4 sure JP, Roberto got this edit too ..and maybe Jeffie if he wasn't coming by his skateboard? )

I believe that is the edited version mura and not the unedited version though.

Yes the edited as it is what matter the most

2observe wrote:

JBF wrote:I think he was 16, wasn't he? Craig and his bottle has that position this year as an inside joke to those of us attempting to compare this season to last year... only it may still be like last year in end result... with another Chris S.

The list you have above reflect how we saw them on the Show, but do you know the actual order?  The reason I asked is the Craig is #16 and it's normally the F1 position which leads me to believe that we did not see the actual order.  I remember in the past, posters were able to determine the actual order that the men came out of the limos.  

On epi 2 Nick also popped a champagne bottle after Andi followed him out of the mansion which is a Craig parallel.

Also, does it count in the order that Cody didn't get out of the limo because he was pushing it? I don't remember, did Nick S arrive in a golf cart or come out of the limo? I just remember a golf cart from a SC.

I liked Craig too. He was hilarious. Getting drunk was a bad idea but he owned that later with his silly apology song. Future cocktail parties seem like wakes instead of parties. Could just be the preview edits that make it seem like everyone is on pins & needles. It's like they are waiting to see the principal.

murasaki1393 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

JBF wrote:I think he was 16, wasn't he? Craig and his bottle has that position this year as an inside joke to those of us attempting to compare this season to last year... only it may still be like last year in end result... with another Chris S.

Yes he was 16. Got the edit of the first to come out of the 2nd limo(?) and a F1-ish limo door shot (I know 4 sure JP, Roberto got this edit too ..and maybe Jeffie if he wasn't coming by his skateboard? )

I believe that is the edited version mura and not the unedited version though.

Yes the edited as it is what matter the most

In the past, the unedited version is what mattered the most. I gave you the unedited version of this season's arrivals too.

Aunties_Love wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

JBF wrote:I think he was 16, wasn't he? Craig and his bottle has that position this year as an inside joke to those of us attempting to compare this season to last year... only it may still be like last year in end result... with another Chris S.

Yes he was 16. Got the edit of the first to come out of the 2nd limo(?) and a F1-ish limo door shot (I know 4 sure JP, Roberto got this edit too ..and maybe Jeffie if he wasn't coming by his skateboard? )

I believe that is the edited version mura and not the unedited version though.

Yes the edited as it is what matter the most

In the past, the unedited version is what mattered the most.  I gave you the unedited version of this season's arrivals too.

Went ahead and added it as an additional brownie point to the list...

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A list that can be updated as the season progresses… and, yes, I have left out of LOT of stuff everybody can add. Only dabbled into this season late in the game and not getting too involved with all of the media “stuff”.

Listing the Nick Vid as #2 evidence for each contestant, since I know how ssssssoooooooo important it is to this forum. The Nail In The Coffin for some.

Josh as F1

Pro: Reality Steve says YES
Pro: Reality Steve has "PROOF": two video extracts. One has Nick saying Josh won't say s**t and do whatever "she" wants. The 2nd has him praising "her" family, hinting Nick met them as part of F2. (Then again, since Hy met the guys in the mansion, there is also the possibility of the family meeting more than the top 2. )
Con: Reality Steve's batting average with Bachelor is great (4 hits out of 5), but he is less successful with Bachelorette. He said he was  certain Ali F. left Bora Bora single, was very slow determining Emily's outcome (but guessing correctly by the time hometowns were shown) and stubbornly insisted Brooks for Desiree. Plus side: he got Ashley's right and posted his spoiler after episode #2 was broadcast. This season he may be TOO early in his spoiler.
Con: Promos show he and Nick as the "possessive" ones involved in some of the drama
Con: Andi to Harrison: "The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy." Josh was last out of the limos per The Editing of episode #1.
Pro: Then again, her thought is crazy.
Con: Andi tells Emil in episode #1: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
Pro: Kissing scene in episode #2 looked quite "hot".
Con: Is falling for her a bit too quickly on screen... hardly F1-ish editing.
Con: Doesn't fit the often repeated theme of her going for the "type" she normally doesn't date
Pro: If Reality Steve's "proof" is genuine proof, Nick claims she went back to what she's used to (paraphrasing here).
Con: Key line by Harrison in episode #1 rose ceremony: “If you don’t hear your name, you will be going home immediately.” Josh is shown solo during the second part of this.
On Harrison's "Ones To Watch": Former pro baseball player ... Is he coming all around the world only to realize what he was looking for was 10 minutes down the road?
Pro: This could be a good story theme for the season.
Con: It also sounds like Harrison is skeptical of his motives
Pro or con: The audience cheered when Jimmy Kimmel picked him for Andi. This could either mean he is F1 and everybody approves… or Andi smiles at them because she too will support him as next Bachelor.
Eric Hill connection in Edit (a.k.a “Love can be found everywhere. If I didn’t think love could be found here, I wouldn’t be here.”): Limo arrival is right after Eric presents Andi his Peruvian dolls. / Seen observing Eric get his rose at first ceremony. / Shown wishing to get Eric’s date.

Nick as F1

Con: Reality Steve says NO
Con: Reality Steve has "PROOF" (see above under Josh)
Pro: Reality Steve's batting average with Bachelorette (see above under Josh)
Pro: Many, but not all, F1s are not featured in Harrison's "Ones To Watch"
Pro: Fits the theme of her going for the "type" she normally doesn't date
Pro: Has many key “romantic” scenes in the promos
Con: Promos also indicate a lot of drama with him. Hardly F1 material unless he's this season's Courtney.
Con: Andi to Harrison: "The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy." Nick arrives too late.
Pro: Then again, her thought is crazy.
Pro or con: Got the First Impression Rose like Deanna's Jesse and Ali's Roberto
Pro: Andi tells Emil in episode #1: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
Con: Not Jimmy Kimmel’s pick
Eric Hill connection in Edit (a.k.a “Love can be found everywhere. If I didn’t think love could be found here, I wouldn’t be here.”) none yet

Marcus as F1

Con: Reality Steve says NO
Con: Reality Steve has "PROOF" (see above under Josh)
Pro: Reality Steve's batting average with Bachelorette (see above under Josh)
Pro: Many, but not all, F1s are not featured in Harrison's "Ones To Watch"
Pro: Andi to Harrison: "The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy." Marcus was #1 out of limos per editing.
Pro: Andi tells Emil in episode #1: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
Pro: Many key scenes and phrases in the promos suggest that she definitely "falls for" him on the show.
Con: Going by past seasons, this hints the possibility he could be like Ali's Frank, Ash's Bentley, Emily's Arie and Des' Brooks.
Pro: She focused on him, not Josh, on the group date.
Pro: Upcoming promo date footage looks pretty "hot"
Con: Key line by Harrison in episode #1 rose ceremony: “If you don’t hear your name, you will be going home immediately.” Marcus is shown during the first part of this.
Con: Not Jimmy Kimmel’s pick
Eric Hill connection in Edit (a.k.a “Love can be found everywhere. If I didn’t think love could be found here, I wouldn’t be here.”): Andi says both he and Eric have “piercing eyes” / both are “international”; despite Marcus’ more limited travel experience, he still has gone places and dabbled with different languages. / Gets a building climb resembling something Eric would do. / Both he and Chris get key promo shots close to Eric’s. / Shown wishing to get Eric’s date.

Chris as F1

Con: Reality Steve says NO
Con: Reality Steve has "PROOF" (see above under Josh)
Pro: Reality Steve's batting average with Bachelorette (see above under Josh)
Pro: Key shot of her with Chris in Iowa was featured in early seasonal promo, then was cut in the main episode and abc.com promos after the spoiler was announced.
Pro: Andi to Harrison: "The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy." Chris was #2 out of limos per editing. *Gets extra brownie point for being within the 10-13 minute mark as first out of limo in abc.net time-stamp.
Pro: Andi tells Emil in episode #1: "If I wasn't open to moving somewhere else, I might as well not have come here. I might as well stay in Atlanta and try to date someone there".
Pro or con: Various "Easter Eggs" in the editing suggest possible F1... or this could all be tomfoolery to deceive viewers: four uses (so far) of the H-word (husband) close to (but not directly on) face-shots (examples: Chris is first guy shown after episode #1’s "Some guy is going to get out of the limo and that can be my husband.", right after episode #2’s “One of these men can be my husband” and as part of a trio shown after Harrison’s "might become your wife") / gets “great impression of” line when she gives the rose to Nick / When Chris Bukowski tried to crash, each time the name "Chris" was mentioned (actually regarding Harrison), the cameraman zoomed on the security's badge stating #1 / her lines of "bet on the right horse" and "I think I picked a winner" / the Santa Anita couple insisting they looked like a couple / constantly saying she's "so happy" on his date
Con: May be over praising her as the most beautiful woman in the world.
Pro: Fits the theme of her going for the "type" she normally doesn't date
On Harrison's "Ones To Watch": I think people are going to very much fall in love with this guy. He's a small-town farmer from Iowa, fourth-generation land baron. If you say he's just a farmer, you're missing it. He's a millionaire. Very good-looking guy. He really wants to find a wife and live the American dream.
Con: This sounds like next Bachelor material (and the way Chris Lambton was discussed in Ali’s)
Pro: Then again, he may be a lovable F1
Con: No F1 in Bachelorette yet has had a 2nd episode date.
Pro or con: Jimmy Kimmel told Andi “no chance you are moving to a farm in Iowa” before she has a chance to respond. Last year, he told Desiree Chris was “out” on account of his taste for almonds before she could react.
Eric Hill connection in Edit (a.k.a “Love can be found everywhere. If I didn’t think love could be found here, I wouldn’t be here.”): Both he and Marcus get key promo shots close to his ... some think a cut kissing shot of Eric and Andi was used during "I'm falling in love with you" / Dates same week / Shown wishing to get Eric’s date / Eric reads date card "Let's get our love on track" / Eric hugs Chris when he gets his date / Eric highlighted during Chris’ Cinderella comment and visibly disagrees with his self-insult of putting lipstick on this pig.

Auntie, who was #16 to arrive at mansion on the unedited list for Andi?

Here you go... a cluster of posts all "consolidated" for your pleasure.   

1.) Marcus = Drew = Sean Lowe = Ryan Park. They need to change that it-is-getting-old guitar rift used to signify the "first out is the handsome-est by HER book". Like Ashley H. with Ryan, Andi is "woah" with Marcus. These ladies must get ink blot tests pre-season to determine what turns them on visually. (Gets door shot as possible F1, words "nervous")

2.) Chris the Iowa farmer gets the same soft guitar intro used in MTA and ATFR shows, not that it means anything. Scene ends a bit abruptly. (Gets door shot as possible F1)

3.) JJ... gets boppy guitar rift for "off-kilter" contestants. His line "have a good one" is just so lame. He's not selling her insurance. (Gets door shot, though)

4.) Marquel... she says his entrance was awkward in their sitdown later, but he seems pretty poised here. (Gets door shot as possible F1)

5.) Tasos walks too fast as if he's less interested in Andi than she is with him. He "tasos" about Lovers Bridge in Paris, making me think he's here to be her tour guide. Even instructs her too much on the procedure of his "adorable" lock. Me thinks these two are too-too much alike in their fussiness. (No door... not F1)

6.) Cody the personal trainer shows how he can push a limo... but no clue how well he can "push" a woman who doesn't change her mind easily.

7.) Steven the Cali Boy is definitely too "far-away" for her tastes (i.e. give up the law practice to go surfing the Pacific), but I am guessing she keeps him long enough to see she can convert him into a Southern Boy. Uh oh. Andi has an... *drink!*... obstacle to overcome. You can't force these guys to be just like you. You have to... *drink!*... compromise. (Gets door shot, though)

8.) Rudie legally states "May I approach the Bachelorette?" Is it just me thinking this overall nervousness is getting out of hand? (No door, not F1)

9.) Carl has a nice blue collar firefighting occupation like Mr. Sutter. Dad would like him if she doesn't. Actually, her body language is favorable here, awing his arrow present and saying she's excited he's here. (Alas... no door, not F1)

10.) Jason the doctor does not turn her on despite how nice he is. Something about his hair, I guess. (No door, not F1)

11.) Nick Veee has her seeing polka dots. (We see a door open but we don't see HIM open it. This rules him out "traditionally" as a F1 prospect because even if he flubbed or bumped the door, they would use it as an item of "interest" in their "journey". Includes a brief shot of her seeing him leave, but nothing special.)

12.) Dylan gets the full fledge F1 entrance, making me wonder if somebody had high hopes for him but his "nervousness" ruined his chances.

13.) Patrick... soccer jock with music to match. No "nervousness" with him... a rarity with this troop. (Gets door shot)

14.) Emil asks her if she is having fun with this "so far". Obviously she hasn't seen Cary Grant's funny bourbon intoxicated scene in NORTH BY NORTHWEST with Emil the cop since she repeats his suggestion of "anal" instead of properly spelling out the name in her mind. (No door)

15.) Brett and his lamp... and her expression with the lamp... alas... has my interest in Andi once again plummeting some notches. It was a joke! "We need to return this to the hotel." Huh? Don't fuss so much about it. They have a crew here who will do it. Are you going to be picking at your dress next time a guy doesn't interest you? (Gets door shot, but it is wasted on the stupid lamp)

16.) Craig repeats Juan's gig with the champagne bottle. Eww. Yet I am surprised she is turned on by the stunt. He may be "average" in looks on her scale, but actions speak louder I guess. Her body language suggests that she is definitely thinking "stuff" about him. (Jumps out from his door)

17.) Ron... opposite of Craig. Too poised to do that kind of thing despite being in "beverage sales" and eager to go inside and "grab a little drink". (No door)

18.) Bradley arrives after "poised" Craig to show he drinks "culture" as an opera singer. (No door)

19.) Denver Josh gets two "thank you"s from her... poor guy. (No door)

20.) Ugh... another gimmick: the golf cart. Nick Esssss. Actually he's somebody I would want to see go far on this show simply because his soft beard and receding hairline makes him completely different than the other jocks on the show. Also he is not "nervous" like most of them.

21.) Brian gets a F1-ish entrance (door & music)... and probably be my initial guess had I not been spoiled. She didn't bother asking him about himself but loved looking him over.

22.) Andrew gets one of the happy-go-lucky upbeat instrumentals, but her "thank you for coming" sounds too final for my speculation. (Gets door shot)

23.) Mike... not sure if she is into the long-hairs or not. No talk of "nervous" here but these two did look awkward together. (No door)

24.) Eric... you know they will give him the best edit possible. Slushy and soft orchestration here. I am wondering if the two Peru dolls will play some sort of "role". (No door)

25.) Atlanta Josh says "wow" coming out of the limo. Intriguingly, Andi was also last out of the limo last season. (Nice F1-ish door open like Marcus and Chris. Like Marcus, he got the full "hot" reaction as he left.)

Humorously we got this exchange right before they arrived...

Mister Harrison: What are you so nervous about?
Andi: The thought that my husband could be in one of those limos and the fact that I could be meeting him in the next ten or fifteen minutes is just crazy.
Harrison: It is crazy to think.
Andi: I know.

Guess that makes either Marcus or Chris... maybe JJ if he makes it within 15 minutes... as candidates.

Aunties_Love wrote:

2observe wrote:Does anyone know the actual order of the guys out of the M & G Limos?  Who was #16 out of the limo?  Also, who followed Marcus out of the Limo?

The actual order of the guys arrival is:


1  Chris         8:24:38 PM
2  Andrew     8:26:37 PM
3  Josh B      8:27:47 PM
4  Ron     8:30:20 PM
5  Craig         8:43:48 PM   Champagne
                 8:44:10 PM  Andi
6  Nick V        8:46:19 PM
7  Marquel     8:48:24 PM
8  Patrick       8:49:57 PM    soccerball
                  8:50:22 PM  
9  Cody          8:56:01 PM
10 JJ               9:14:27 PM
11 Tasos         9:15:52 PM  
                  9:17:46 PM     walking
12 Jason        9:19:14 PM
13 Marcus      9:20:47 PM
14 Nick S        9:27:28 PM     golfcart
                  9:27:58 PM  
15 Carl            9:52:10 PM
16 Mike           9:54:30 PM
17 Brian         9:56:49 PM  
18 Steven       9:58:22 PM
19 Bradley 10:02:19 PM
                 10:03:01 PM
20 Brett          10:11:26 PM
21 Emil           10:13:48 PM
22 Eric       10:15:31 PM  *********??
23 Rudie        10:17:13 PM
24 Dylan        10:19:02 PM
25Josh M     10:20:29 PM

SLA44 wrote:

JBF wrote:Wow! Chris still made the 15 minute mark.

Sure looks like it.

Thanks for everyone's response. Auntie, apparently I missed you earlier response. Mike was #16??? Well tptb isn't using that formula this time, . So it looks they may be using the same formula used in Trista's Season. If so, Marcus and Josh would be the F2 guys,(this makes sense) and maybe the difference would be that F1 was shown first instead of last. I don't think that it's been done before. Just something to think about.

If you are focused on Marcus this season, let us know of any "Easter Eggs" potentially suggesting he's F1.

I have too many for Chris and hardly any for the other guys. There is a slim "maybe" one for Nick when she uses the word "engaged" shortly before a shot of him, but it is rather too nebulous. As for the Chris ones, they are STILL popping up among the bushes. My latest find: when Tasos reads the group card, he says "last one" just before the camera stops at Chris (with Andrew and Marquel though)... then back to Tasos and then Dylan as read by Tasos. The silly business just won't stop!

JBF wrote:If you are focused on Marcus this season, let us know of any "Easter Eggs" potentially suggesting he's F1.

I have too many for Chris and hardly any for the other guys. There is a slim "maybe" one for Nick when she uses the word "engaged" shortly before a shot of him, but it is rather too nebulous. As for the Chris ones, they are STILL popping up among the bushes. My latest find: when Tasos reads the group card, he says "last one" just before the camera stops at Chris (with Andrew and Marquel though)... then back to Tasos and then Dylan as read by Tasos. The silly business just won't stop!

Marcus is the only F1 that I see at the moment.  However, if something causes him to leave (on his own) then I can see there being another (defaulted)F1.  But right now I see a relationship starting with Marcus.  He is not getting the "typical" physical edit.  Imho, Josh is getting the flirty physical edit, Chris is getting the friend edit, and Nick the first impression edit.  I am waiting to hear the conversation between Andi and Marcus during their 1 on 1 date.  jmo  ETA The blue shadow kissing SC of what has been determined to be Joshi and Andi reminds me of Sean and Emily's shadow kiss.

I'm game for anybody as F1 despite seeing "IT" with "friend zone" Chris... LOL!

Now... to be positively eeeeeeeevil! I hope everybody here takes this in good humor. I am quite certain Aunties_Love will find MUCH humor here. I am posting it for YOU especially.

Re-watching the first rose ceremony, we have just three dumpees commenting in PI session.

Rudie is the first...

"This is a curve ball. It is not what I expected, because when I came in here... I was aiming for the fences. (http://www.hulu.com/watch/638252#i1,p8,d1) Y'know I thought I was gonna hit that ball right out of the park. Everyone in my life was, like, 'Oh my gosh! Like, you guys are gonna get married and have kids!' BUT... she didn't get a feel for that with me. Maybe she just wasn't attracted to me, y'know. It didn't *click* with her. I think finding love is very important. I think I could have had that with Andi but... y'know."

Second guy is Jason, but his line could fit any potential dumpee... nobody in particular.

"It was difficult when I didn't hear my name. I'm definitely disappointed. Didn't think I would be saying goodbye on the first night. Was definitely looking forward to having more conversations, more time with her. It makes me think, y'know, if there is something you could have done different. Is there something there that would have changed her decision, but I don't know... and don't know what's next. Honestly, not going back to a whole lot."

Last but not least... Josh B. However, his comments don't fit the other Josh at all.

"I just... uh... am disappointed honestly. I'm here talking to you instead of being up there with all these guys. I mean, you come here looking for a wife and then all of the sudden you hear all these guys cheering in there and... I don't know... whatever. It's embarrassing, that's what it is. So... yeah. This is something that a friend put me up to and I showed up and was... Oh, this is great. Yeah, let's sure give it a try. Let's embarrass the f*** out of myself for one night, to do absolutely nothing, accomplish nothing... and then I am going to call my parents tomorrow and be, like, that sucked. I'm coming home. I'm gonna face reality. Being embarrassed isn't f***ing cool. It is what it is. I'm gonna go home and enjoy myself and take some vacations. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdZNhIe5kxk) This is stupid!"