Re: Andi Dorfman - The Bachelorette 10 - Discussion

by lurker11 Sat 3 Jan 2015 - 15:10

I continue to be confused as to why andi is so much worse than Ashley, who also slept with her F2 AND let him propose. Nothing andi did was out of the norm and Nick could have figured out if he looked at the history of the show.

by soccermom333 Sat 3 Jan 2015 - 15:12

nannymargie wrote: IMO Andi is not a horrible person but she does have a strong personality. According to Josh she is a loving and nurturing woman. Andi has only done what all the others leads in the past has done. The only difference is Nick could not accept that he wasn't the one. He may have been heart broken but his ego was crushed because he always thought he was the one. IMO he was way over confident and never thought Andi could have feelings for someone else.

I do not know how I would react to someone who I broke up with that still tried to talk to me knowing I was with someone else. Even after Nick wrote her that letter he was sure she would change her mind and go back to him. Nick even said it could be a new beginning for them. He just couldn't accept that she was in love with someone else.

I really feel that Andi should have told Nick that she was in love with Josh when she broke it off with him. She probably thought that would have been to harsh to say to him at the time and didn't want to hurt him more than she had to.

I was not impressed with the article at all and having CH dressed like cupid was really weird to me.

Nanny, you said it brilliantly! You left out the fact that Nick said something on stage, live on air, that he should have kept to himself. Andi is human and reacted accordingly. imho ;)

by SueSt Sat 3 Jan 2015 - 15:25

lurker11 wrote:I continue to be confused as to why andi is so much worse than Ashley, who also slept with her F2 AND let him propose. Nothing andi did was out of the norm and Nick could have figured out if he looked at the history of the show.

Frankly, the fact that Ashley let Ben propose was worse (and worth noting, there hasn't been a proposal from an F2 man since). And Andi was entitled to choose Josh, no problem there. My problem was the way she handled the breakup with Nick and beyond. It would have cost her nothing to be kind.... and based on the way she led him on, I believe he was entitled to more explanation and kindness. Yes, it's part of the show to led the F2 on, but not part of the show to be heartless.

by SueSt Sat 3 Jan 2015 - 15:29

soccermom333 wrote:
nannymargie wrote: IMO Andi is not a horrible person but she does have a strong personality. According to Josh she is a loving and nurturing woman. Andi has only done what all the others leads in the past has done. The only difference is Nick could not accept that he wasn't the one. He may have been heart broken but his ego was crushed because he always thought he was the one. IMO he was way over confident and never thought Andi could have feelings for someone else.

I do not know how I would react to someone who I broke up with that still tried to talk to me knowing I was with someone else. Even after Nick wrote her that letter he was sure she would change her mind and go back to him. Nick even said it could be a new beginning for them. He just couldn't accept that she was in love with someone else.

I really feel that Andi should have told Nick that she was in love with Josh when she broke it off with him. She probably thought that would have been to harsh to say to him at the time and didn't want to hurt him more than she had to.

I was not impressed with the article at all and having CH dressed like cupid was really weird to me.

Nanny, you said it brilliantly! You left out the fact that Nick said something on stage, live on air, that he should have kept to himself. Andi is human and reacted accordingly. imho ;)

Respectfully, I disagree.
Andi slept with Nick knowing that she was only in love with Josh ... where do you draw the line?
Shouldn't Andi have kept her body to HERself in this case??

by Ash2214 Sat 3 Jan 2015 - 15:30

lurker11 wrote:I continue to be confused as to why andi is so much worse than Ashley, who also slept with her F2 AND let him propose. Nothing andi did was out of the norm and Nick could have figured out if he looked at the history of the show.

Yeah, this is my biggest issue as well. I have zero problem with people thinking and saying Andi is too tough or can have a bi**** personality at times or just simply not liking her, but to say she's a horrible person that has crushed someone's soul? She did nothing different in regards to Nick that every other lead hasn't done. Each season the f2 person will be led on big time. It's the name of the game. For Andi, it just so happens that her F2 guy couldn't let it go, tried to get into contact with her more than once, posted pictures of the two of them together on social media, wrote her a letter stating he thought she made the wrong choice and essentially asked for a second chance and then her F2 told millions of people slept with him.

I don't consider a lead from this ridiculous show to be a horrible, soul crushing person. None of them are. They're people that are this silly show that has nothing to do with reality. She did what every other lead has done.

by soccermom333 Sat 3 Jan 2015 - 15:31

lurker11 wrote:I continue to be confused as to why andi is so much worse than Ashley, who also slept with her F2 AND let him propose. Nothing andi did was out of the norm and Nick could have figured out if he looked at the history of the show.

Yes, I remember. I love JP and Ashley too but hated what Ashley did. Ashley was crucified by fans and people on "another forum." Once there is a new bachelorette, people will focus on all the "heartless" things she does whoever "she" will be. Heaven help her. ;)

by StacyNor Sat 3 Jan 2015 - 15:33

It seems Nick will always overshadow the Jash relationship. By this time other leads that were successful with their reationship moved on from concentrating on the F2. Now this article has come out with the author supporting Nick. Just because you like a particular person or couple does not mean they are perfect and do no wrong. Andi slept with Nick and acted holler than thou when they met. She chose to sleep with him, that was her decision. Now Nick has moved on and is not saying anything against Andi. Be happy your fave couple are together. As someone said people will like Andi and some will hate her, the same for Nick. After the ATR and some actions from both Josh and Andi have displayed I think they make the perfect couple. You know having 2 people that look down other people and think they are all that are a match made in heaven. Nick will find someone and be happy.

by Ash2214 Sat 3 Jan 2015 - 15:34

SueSt wrote:
lurker11 wrote:I continue to be confused as to why andi is so much worse than Ashley, who also slept with her F2 AND let him propose. Nothing andi did was out of the norm and Nick could have figured out if he looked at the history of the show.

Frankly, the fact that Ashley let Ben propose was worse (and worth noting, there hasn't been a proposal from an F2 man since). And Andi was entitled to choose Josh, no problem there. My problem was the way she handled the breakup with Nick and beyond. It would have cost her nothing to be kind.... and based on the way she led him on, I believe he was entitled to more explanation and kindness. Yes, it's part of the show to led the F2 on, but not part of the show to be heartless.

And if Andi felt like she had to be stern with the guy who tried to get into contact more than once with her, posted pictures of the two of them together to social media, wrote a letter that essentially said she made the wrong choice and he wanted a second chance, all while he knew she chose someone else and was engaged to that man, then I don't blame her. It's not her fault that Nick couldn't speak and mumbled his words. CH asked him numerous times up on that stage to ask Andi questions and he didn't. The whole full one he got out was asking her in front of millions why she slept with him.

by SueSt Sat 3 Jan 2015 - 15:37

Ash2214 wrote:
lurker11 wrote:I continue to be confused as to why andi is so much worse than Ashley, who also slept with her F2 AND let him propose. Nothing andi did was out of the norm and Nick could have figured out if he looked at the history of the show.

Yeah, this is my biggest issue as well. I have zero problem with people thinking and saying Andi is too tough or can have a bi**** personality at times or just simply not liking her, but to say she's a horrible person that has crushed someone's soul? She did nothing different in regards to Nick that every other lead hasn't done. Each season the f2 person will be led on big time. It's the name of the game. For Andi, it just so happens that her F2 guy couldn't let it go, tried to get into contact with her more than once, posted pictures of the two of them together on social media, wrote her a letter stating he thought she made the wrong choice and essentially asked for a second chance and then her F2 told millions of people slept with him.

I don't consider a lead from this ridiculous show to be a horrible, soul crushing person. None of them are. They're people that are this silly show that has nothing to do with reality. She did what every other lead has done.

Just because others have done it before does not excuse Andi's heartless and soul crushing behavior. She signed up for it and is responsible.
It may be an inflated situation but I don't think Josh, Andi or Nick would say this show has nothing to do with reality.

by Ash2214 Sat 3 Jan 2015 - 15:43

SueSt wrote:
soccermom333 wrote:
nannymargie wrote: IMO Andi is not a horrible person but she does have a strong personality. According to Josh she is a loving and nurturing woman. Andi has only done what all the others leads in the past has done. The only difference is Nick could not accept that he wasn't the one. He may have been heart broken but his ego was crushed because he always thought he was the one. IMO he was way over confident and never thought Andi could have feelings for someone else.

I do not know how I would react to someone who I broke up with that still tried to talk to me knowing I was with someone else. Even after Nick wrote her that letter he was sure she would change her mind and go back to him. Nick even said it could be a new beginning for them. He just couldn't accept that she was in love with someone else.

I really feel that Andi should have told Nick that she was in love with Josh when she broke it off with him. She probably thought that would have been to harsh to say to him at the time and didn't want to hurt him more than she had to.

I was not impressed with the article at all and having CH dressed like cupid was really weird to me.

Nanny, you said it brilliantly! You left out the fact that Nick said something on stage, live on air, that he should have kept to himself. Andi is human and reacted accordingly. imho ;)

Respectfully, I disagree.
Andi slept with Nick knowing that she was only in love with Josh ... where do you draw the line?
Shouldn't Andi have kept her body to HERself in this case??

See, while I have often said I didn't agree with Andi sleeping with Nick, I'm also an adult that understands this show is not reality and it's ridiculous. You're dating multiple men or women at one time. There's nothing exclusive about any of those relationships. While I think sex should mean more, I would would say more than half of the population view sex as sex. It's takes two to tango. Nick has said Andi never told him she loved him, which leads tend to do in the FS and something it appears she said to Josh during theirs. IMO, if Nick viewed sex as so special, it might have been best to have not have slept with her knowing there were still two other guys in the picture and not having legitimate confirmation from Andi that he was 100% the one. Like I've said a million times, they're both at fault and both made their mistakes.

by SueSt Sat 3 Jan 2015 - 15:43

Ash2214 wrote:
SueSt wrote:
lurker11 wrote:I continue to be confused as to why andi is so much worse than Ashley, who also slept with her F2 AND let him propose. Nothing andi did was out of the norm and Nick could have figured out if he looked at the history of the show.

Frankly, the fact that Ashley let Ben propose was worse (and worth noting, there hasn't been a proposal from an F2 man since). And Andi was entitled to choose Josh, no problem there. My problem was the way she handled the breakup with Nick and beyond. It would have cost her nothing to be kind.... and based on the way she led him on, I believe he was entitled to more explanation and kindness. Yes, it's part of the show to led the F2 on, but not part of the show to be heartless.

And if Andi felt like she had to be stern with the guy who tried to get into contact more than once with her, posted pictures of the two of them together to social media, wrote a letter that essentially said she made the wrong choice and he wanted a second chance, all while he knew she chose someone else and was engaged to that man, then I don't blame her. It's not her fault that Nick couldn't speak and mumbled his words. CH asked him numerous times up on that stage to ask Andi questions and he didn't. The whole full one he got out was asking her in front of millions why she slept with him.

She slept with him; he deserved an explanation.
I do blame her; a man prostrates himself before her, clearly upset, unable to speak, overcome with his emotions and she is unkind. Heartless is as heartless does.

by luvlady345 Sat 3 Jan 2015 - 15:44

It's a pattern with this series all the women IMO are judged too harshly and the men are seen by a large majority as the victims... Even with Ben F., he did whatever (they did in the ocean) on the show, he cheated on her after the show but yet Courtney is still the worst human being ever, Ben is given a pass...... Andi has done nothing IMO, if I was ever on this show, and someone like Nick was on there I wouldn't be as polite as Andi and that's saying it mildly...

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