The Final One (F1) - Bachelorette 9 - Spoilers - Discussion

2boys3girls wrote:So, Brooks can come to his senses but Des can't? Funny how one-sided it is for some.
 
The hilarious thing about all of this is even though we are 99.9% sure Brooks is F1, none of us were there but some speak as though they were

ETA: Not all of Chris and Drew fans want her to choose one of them. I would have liked it if she let them both go last week if she had that option.

Nativenewyorker wrote:

2boys3girls wrote:So, Brooks can come to his senses but Des can't? Funny how one-sided it is for some.
 
The hilarious thing about all of this is even though we are 99.9% sure Brooks is F1, none of us were there but some speak as though they were

ETA: Not all of Chris and Drew fans want her to choose one of them. I would have liked it if she let them both go last week if she had that option.

I really appreciate you adding that last line. I think it's gotten lost in all the discussion. I find it fascinating that people seem to assume that everyone wants their favorite to be the F1. I felt that way up until I watched last Monday night's episode. Once I heard Des say what she did to Brooks, then I realized that she settled on him as the one early on and never really opened up to the other guys.  The line that really got me was when she told Brooks that she went on those dates with the other guys, but really wanted to be with him.  That said it all.  

After what I saw, I no longer wanted Drew to be F1. He should not be anyone's consolation prize. Both Chris and Drew deserve much better.  I actually found myself hoping that she would let both guys go and be done with the whole thing. It's going to be hard watching their LCD's knowing that she only wanted Brooks. I would love to think that she saw the light after Brooks left. That something went off in her head and she realized that this was a blessing in disguise.  Then she would finally see Chris and Drew for who they really are.

It sounds quite lovely. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening. Where Des is at now she cannot possibly reciprocate the kind of love these two guys so richly deserve.  So please don't make assumptions or lump Chris and Drew fans into the - my favorite HAS to be F1 - category.

mercieme wrote:To all the great sleuthers,  has any one been able to solve for how Des and Brooks continued their relationship post filming? Just curious as to how Des and Brooks managed this without anyone getting a whiff of their ins/outs considering Drew has been in her neck of the wood for some time now.

treschicas wrote:Just read that interview posted with chris harrison...someone asked him about Des saying early on that she loved Brooks...Chris harrison was quick to point out that in the following sentence that Des also said she loved Chris S and then he pointed out she almost said that about Drew too. I think he also admiited maybe they focused on her saying she loved Brooks  a bit also to make whatever happened to her later in the break up more understandable (well I'll have to read that part again). Anyway my point is I think Chris is doing damage control on all the stuff of Des being so in love with Brooks. I think he wants people to know she loves Chris too because I think she does end up with Chris S eventually. Also when someone asked him if Brooks was coming back he kind of stammered and then said it was a possibility but it really didn't sound like Brooks does..but just my opinion from what Chris H. was saying..it was like Chris H was trying to lie but you could tell. I mean at first all Chris H says is the main conflict on part 2 would be what Des was gonna do with the other two guys...he doesn't really emphasize Brooks at all. I just don't think Brooks is coming back or that Des is with him. I am wondering now how these spoilers can say Brooks is F1...I just don't see how it's at all possible.

Aunties_Love wrote:

latergator wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

latergator wrote:thinking about the f3 clause... Des would be unaware of that, didn't she leave at F4 on Sean's season? so all this time that she has been understanding where Brooks was, how he didn't need to tell her certain things because she totally understood, she had been there herself. but this break-up, this she would not have anticipated because she knows nothing about that.  Des asked Brooks, you were so certain on the htd, what happened. he tried to explain as best as any man can but couldn't get out to her what the road block was.

drumming my fingers here in frustration for the two of them  

I am going to disagree on the bolded.  I don't think that is a fair statement.  Both Chris and Drew stated what they wanted quite clearly.  I know of several guys that can open their hearts and express completely what they are feeling/wanting, so to lump it all together saying "explain as best as any man can" is somewhat generic and not really applying here.  There are 3 guys, 2 of which had no problem letting her know exactly what they wanted, and one that just couldn't.  Is that because he wasn't feeling it(he did verbally tell his mom/sister/chris harrison that he DIDN'T love Des so how are us viewers suppose to magically believe that he did all along and be fine with the ending after him totally breaking her heart.  I think her storyline continues and that she surprises herself and finds the true love that she wanted in either of the other 2 guys.  Problem will be; Does Brooks come back and what happens after that.

you know Aunties_Love... where you have been around on the boards for long and have been such a old time sleuther (per one of your posts last night)... I would think you would know this.  NO... Brooks never once said he did not love Des to either his mom, his sister, Chris Harrison or to Des.  don't follow the leader with this, go back and listen for yourself.  there is a difference in saying I don't love Des and I don't think I'm feeling like she is the love of my life; there are so many things I love about Des, but I don't know if I'm prepared to propose to her; I'm pretty sure that I know the difference, I have been close to proposing in the past and I know what that felt like (just so happened that girl cheated on him so his perception of love might have been flawed). part of sleuthing is checking and rechecking the information.

again, seeing as you are this experienced then you more than likely know that Chris and Drew have told Des they love her way earlier than normal, and so did a few others that left... and yet Brooks has not said it.  hard to believe that Drew said it even before they had their first one on one... I think I'm falling in love with you. I would say that they are a little premature in their declarations, sort of jumping the gun.

you wrote

I think her storyline continues and that she surprises herself and finds the true love that she wanted in either of the other 2 guys.  Problem will be; Does Brooks come back and what happens after that.

as much as you want to believe that... here are some facts outlined on last mondays show:  when Des was crying and telling Brooks not once, not twice, not three times, not four that she loved him... that even tho he broke her heart she still loved him... I love you she said directly to his face.  she said you're the only one I can say that to, I have not shared my heart with any of the others, I wanted to give my heart to only you, when I'm not with you I think of you every minute, when I went on dates with the others I always wanted it to be you.  I wanted you to meet my parents.  

talk about living in a bubble if you think that in a few days time, she comes to her senses and choses one of the other guys?  if all it takes is coming to her senses, how easy life should be.  wow, maybe she can come to her senses about being tall, or short, or a person of color, or rich, or a movie star, or some other nonsense. after hearing her declaration of love to Brooks, why would either Chris or Drew's fans want that for their guy, just so they can win?  if she picks either of them, and I don't think for 1 minute she will, they will not last.  her heart is with Brooks, and with all she said, that is not going away in a weeks time.

Look, no disrespect intended, but I will stand up for myself here.  If you go back and listen, he flat out says that he DOESN'T love Des.  He said that to Harrison and with his mom/sister, he never said that he loves her.  

Believe me, I NEVER follow the leader on anything.  I think and feel things for myself. A lot of what I think and feel may not be popular, but it is all MY thoughts/feelings on the topic and NOT because I am following the leader!! 

You are right, there is a difference in saying I don't love someone versus saying that I don't think I am where she is at in love or this process.  He flat out said to Harrison that he's NOT in love with Des.  With Brooks saying a line as:   "there are so many things I love about Des" in NO ways does that mean that he LOVES Des.


You are right, part of sleuthing is checking and rechecking info.  Another part is not to get lost in the triangle of wanting your favorite to be the final 1 left standing.  IF you have watched my posts at all, I think you would see that I am usually pretty even keeled and do refer to the screencaps, storyline and stuff like that versus the fangirling over a favorite.  Giving a free pass to your favorite is kind of like living in a   bubble.  Sooner or later it MAY get popped(I have been on both sides of the coin). With sleuthing and being objective, you are able to see things clearer, and as I have said so many times, I have no horse in this race.  I just don't think that just because I want Drew gone because I want my fave of Brooks to win is the right way to look at things neither.

Before you get back to me, I am not saying that Brooks is my fave either, none of the guys are.  I just see differences in them and feel that her better match for the long haul is in Chris or Drew.  The guys that have stood behind her the whole way, the guys(especially Drew) that she has professed many times that she completely and thourally trust.

As far as what you have said here:

hard to believe that Drew said it even before they had their first one on one... I think I'm falling in love with you

Drew never DIRECTLY told her that before the 2 on 1 date AFTER their individual date.  YES he said it in ITM's but not directly to Des.

I NEVER said that either Chris or Drew were my faves, but when you look at the situation, I hardly think that Des is a cruel person.  Taking Drew out on that LCD with the horseback riding and sitting on the beach just to let him go as they are sitting there when she felt that she was going to let him go(as many Brooks fans seem to think) is a cruel thing.  I am thinking that she isn't necessarily saying goodbye to him there but more so talking to him about her feelings for Brooks and how Brooks leaving broke her heart.  Drew is sympathizing with her, telling her that if Brooks isn't willing to give it a go, then it will never work.

Finally;  I do understand that things are getting a little heated in here, but being condescending to the posters(me included judging from your post that I am responding to) just isn't the way to be IMO.

bilolo wrote:

treschicas wrote:Just read that interview posted with chris harrison...someone asked him about Des saying early on that she loved Brooks...Chris harrison was quick to point out that in the following sentence that Des also said she loved Chris S and then he pointed out she almost said that about Drew too. I think he also admiited maybe they focused on her saying she loved Brooks  a bit also to make whatever happened to her later in the break up more understandable (well I'll have to read that part again). Anyway my point is I think Chris is doing damage control on all the stuff of Des being so in love with Brooks. I think he wants people to know she loves Chris too because I think she does end up with Chris S eventually. Also when someone asked him if Brooks was coming back he kind of stammered and then said it was a possibility but it really didn't sound like Brooks does..but just my opinion from what Chris H. was saying..it was like Chris H was trying to lie but you could tell. I mean at first all Chris H says is the main conflict on part 2 would be what Des was gonna do with the other two guys...he doesn't really emphasize Brooks at all. I just don't think Brooks is coming back or that Des is with him. I am wondering now how these spoilers can say Brooks is F1...I just don't see how it's at all possible.

It's like you never watched the show otherwise you'd know that CH always talks smack, you can't put this much stock about what he's saying, you can use other inputs to make your points but not CH please, he's just doing his job.
I wonder if things do not pant out like the way you think, will you believe CH again ?

Nativenewyorker wrote:

2boys3girls wrote:So, Brooks can come to his senses but Des can't? Funny how one-sided it is for some.
 
The hilarious thing about all of this is even though we are 99.9% sure Brooks is F1, none of us were there but some speak as though they were

ETA: Not all of Chris and Drew fans want her to choose one of them. I would have liked it if she let them both go last week if she had that option.

I really appreciate you adding that last line. I think it's gotten lost in all the discussion. I find it fascinating that people seem to assume that everyone wants their favorite to be the F1. I felt that way up until I watched last Monday night's episode. Once I heard Des say what she did to Brooks, then I realized that she settled on him as the one early on and never really opened up to the other guys.  The line that really got me was when she told Brooks that she went on those dates with the other guys, but really wanted to be with him.  That said it all.  

After what I saw, I no longer wanted Drew to be F1. He should not be anyone's consolation prize. Both Chris and Drew deserve much better.  I actually found myself hoping that she would let both guys go and be done with the whole thing. It's going to be hard watching their LCD's knowing that she only wanted Brooks. I would love to think that she saw the light after Brooks left. That something went off in her head and she realized that this was a blessing in disguise.  Then she would finally see Chris and Drew for who they really are.

It sounds quite lovely. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening. Where Des is at now she cannot possibly reciprocate the kind of love these two guys so richly deserve. So please don't make assumptions or lump Chris and Drew fans into the - my favorite HAS to be F1 - category.

Ariela wrote:Post by LLiza Today at 10:40 am

Auntie, sweetie -- you spent a lot of time writing that post, but unfortunately the Brooksie clan here is not going to change their minds -- he will always be perfect in their eyes, no matter what. Even if you list one thousand concrete examples , they are not ready to hear anything other than their viewpoint. That is OK. Everyone can justify things in their own way. Just save yourself some time and frustration and ride the ride until it is all over. It is only a game -- a game that the producers are manufacturing. None of it is real, rosecolored glasses or not. Few will actually care if they stay together as long as they get their happy ending tomorrow night. Truth is in the eye of the beholder.

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