The Final One (F1) - Bachelorette 9 - Spoilers - Discussion

So, Brooks can come to his senses but Des can't? Funny how one-sided it is for some.
 
The hilarious thing about all of this is even though we are 99.9% sure Brooks is F1, none of us were there but some speak as though they were

ETA: Not all of Chris and Drew fans want her to choose one of them. I would have liked it if she let them both go last week if she had that option.

2boys3girls wrote:So, Brooks can come to his senses but Des can't? Funny how one-sided it is for some.

The hilarious thing about all of this is even though we are 99.9% sure Brooks is F1, none of us were there but some speak as though they were  

were you addressing my post? I don't believe I ever said that Brooks comes to his senses did I? maybe I missed that.

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Aunties_Love wrote:

latergator wrote:thinking about the f3 clause... Des would be unaware of that, didn't she leave at F4 on Sean's season? so all this time that she has been understanding where Brooks was, how he didn't need to tell her certain things because she totally understood, she had been there herself. but this break-up, this she would not have anticipated because she knows nothing about that.  Des asked Brooks, you were so certain on the htd, what happened. he tried to explain as best as any man can but couldn't get out to her what the road block was.

drumming my fingers here in frustration for the two of them  

I am going to disagree on the bolded.  I don't think that is a fair statement.  Both Chris and Drew stated what they wanted quite clearly.  I know of several guys that can open their hearts and express completely what they are feeling/wanting, so to lump it all together saying "explain as best as any man can" is somewhat generic and not really applying here.  There are 3 guys, 2 of which had no problem letting her know exactly what they wanted, and one that just couldn't.  Is that because he wasn't feeling it(he did verbally tell his mom/sister/chris harrison that he DIDN'T love Des so how are us viewers suppose to magically believe that he did all along and be fine with the ending after him totally breaking her heart.  I think her storyline continues and that she surprises herself and finds the true love that she wanted in either of the other 2 guys.  Problem will be; Does Brooks come back and what happens after that.

you know Aunties_Love... where you have been around on the boards for long and have been such a old time sleuther (per one of your posts last night)... I would think you would know this.  NO... Brooks never once said he did not love Des to either his mom, his sister, Chris Harrison or to Des.  don't follow the leader with this, go back and listen for yourself.  there is a difference in saying I don't love Des and I don't think I'm feeling like she is the love of my life; there are so many things I love about Des, but I don't know if I'm prepared to propose to her; I'm pretty sure that I know the difference, I have been close to proposing in the past and I know what that felt like (just so happened that girl cheated on him so his perception of love might have been flawed). part of sleuthing is checking and rechecking the information.

again, seeing as you are this experienced then you more than likely know that Chris and Drew have told Des they love her way earlier than normal, and so did a few others that left... and yet Brooks has not said it.  hard to believe that Drew said it even before they had their first one on one... I think I'm falling in love with you. I would say that they are a little premature in their declarations, sort of jumping the gun.

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I think her storyline continues and that she surprises herself and finds the true love that she wanted in either of the other 2 guys.  Problem will be; Does Brooks come back and what happens after that.

as much as you want to believe that... here are some facts outlined on last mondays show:  when Des was crying and telling Brooks not once, not twice, not three times, not four that she loved him... that even tho he broke her heart she still loved him... I love you she said directly to his face.  she said you're the only one I can say that to, I have not shared my heart with any of the others, I wanted to give my heart to only you, when I'm not with you I think of you every minute, when I went on dates with the others I always wanted it to be you.  I wanted you to meet my parents.  

talk about living in a bubble if you think that in a few days time, she comes to her senses and choses one of the other guys?  if all it takes is coming to her senses, how easy life should be.  wow, maybe she can come to her senses about being tall, or short, or a person of color, or rich, or a movie star, or some other nonsense. after hearing her declaration of love to Brooks, why would either Chris or Drew's fans want that for their guy, just so they can win?  if she picks either of them, and I don't think for 1 minute she will, they will not last.  her heart is with Brooks, and with all she said, that is not going away in a weeks time.

Love is a 2-way street. Des can say she loves Brooks a thousand times, but if that is not reciprocated, it really doesn't matter. I think she would be crazy to choose any of the F3 at this point.

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tennischick80 wrote:I think she goes on a LCD with Chris- because we haven't seen the manta ray date yet. She looks like she is having a blast - so Chris probably was a buffer after Brooks left. However, I do think Brooks comes back before Drew's date, and Des tries to let Drew down easy on the beach. I believe Chris picks out a ring. If she chooses Brooks who doesn't propose (because if by coming back, he works out an agreement with MF and the producers, amending the F3 clause that states he doesn't have to propose), and subsequently she rejects Chris after being won back over by Brooks (who we have seen crying in a limo wearing a suit), that means she isn't getting engaged just because "it feels good and is exciting". She will get engaged when the time is right because she wants to be with Brooks, whatever form that takes on. I feel AWFUL for Chris and Drew if this is the case. It's not all Des' fault- I blame the show and MF for making the leads string the contestants along. I would watch Des picking Brooks in Medeira, cameras following them back home over the period of a couple months as they date long distance (as many couples do). I don't need fancy shmancy, exorbitant dates to be entertained. They could be cozying up on a couch, watching a movie, snuggling and I'd watch. They could fight or get annoyed with each other-- NO SCRIPTS. That way Chris & Drew wouldn't be carried away and given the time to fall in love with Des at all- therefore, no feelings of rejection. Is that stupid?

See, I am one of the few on here I guess that feel that Des isn't letting Drew go on the beach.  Why would they go for a horseback ride to the beach where she dumps him?  Why not dump him where they meet to go on the ride or at his hotel?  I am probably in the minor category here but I am thinking that they are talking about her feelings about Brooks and he doesn't leave right then.  I am thinking that IF and WHEN Brooks shows up, it is during the FRC after Chris and Drew met her family.  Therefore the tweet from Des's brother would of been right, he never met Brooks.  Even if she does take Brooks back and they are together, the point is, I was trying to figure out how all the tweets all work out together.

Exactly, Auntie.  Why would she go through seemingly half of the date BEFORE she breaks up with him?  If Brooks came back, and Des knew she would be letting Drew go, then why didn't she tell him before the date?  Emily did this with Arie, and Ali did this with Chris L.  It doesn't make sense that she would lead him on when she knew she was breaking it off with him.

Des was probably trying to make it work with Drew, but he picks up on it that something is wrong. She tells him that she loves Brooks, and she CAN'T see a future with anybody else..maybe he leaves on his on, because its just not gonna work if she's in love with some other guy. She continues with Chris, he's understanding, and are there for her in sad times and good times. The FRC comes, chris is ready to pop the question, she says No, Brooks comes back,even do i don't believe that,,but IF he do she says Hell No, Drew comes back she says...(..)

they said it was strange ending, am thinking with my strange brain..

The not gonna work line I think is actually Drew telling her that about Brooks. If Brooks leaves and doesn't want to try, then no matter her feelings for Brooks, it`s just not gonna work. Who knows. I keep running through scenario's to see if it makes sense.

To all the great sleuthers, has any one been able to solve for how Des and Brooks continued their relationship post filming? Just curious as to how Des and Brooks managed this without anyone getting a whiff of their ins/outs considering Drew has been in her neck of the wood for some time now.

mercieme wrote:To all the great sleuthers,  has any one been able to solve for how Des and Brooks continued their relationship post filming? Just curious as to how Des and Brooks managed this without anyone getting a whiff of their ins/outs considering Drew has been in her neck of the wood for some time now.

Other than RS, and others saying that their sources indicate Brooks is the F1, there is no other proof.  There have been no airport sightings, no SC's, nothing.  I understand everyone believing the spoilers, because they have always been accurate.  However, those spoilers also had evidence(airport sightings, tweets, pictures, SC's, etc.) to back them up.  This season all we have is the spoilers and no evidence.

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mercieme wrote:To all the great sleuthers,  has any one been able to solve for how Des and Brooks continued their relationship post filming? Just curious as to how Des and Brooks managed this without anyone getting a whiff of their ins/outs considering Drew has been in her neck of the wood for some time now.

Other than RS, and others saying that their sources indicate Brooks is the F1, there is no other proof.  There have been no airport sightings, no SC's, nothing.  I understand everyone believing the spoilers, because they have always been accurate.  However, those spoilers also had evidence(airport sightings, tweets, pictures, SC's, etc.) to back them up.  This season all we have is the spoilers and no evidence.

I totally agree and I usually believe the spoilers....but it's hard to this time. There is not ONE single post FRC clue that Des and Brooks are together. And then there are clues that suggest it is not Brooks and possibly could be on of the other guys. I'm wondering how these sources are so sure Brooks is F1...did they send a private investigator out to Antigua who hid behind a bush and took pictures of Des and Brooks engagement?? I mean how else can they be so sure..esp without any other evidence??

latergator wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

latergator wrote:thinking about the f3 clause... Des would be unaware of that, didn't she leave at F4 on Sean's season? so all this time that she has been understanding where Brooks was, how he didn't need to tell her certain things because she totally understood, she had been there herself. but this break-up, this she would not have anticipated because she knows nothing about that.  Des asked Brooks, you were so certain on the htd, what happened. he tried to explain as best as any man can but couldn't get out to her what the road block was.

drumming my fingers here in frustration for the two of them  

I am going to disagree on the bolded.  I don't think that is a fair statement.  Both Chris and Drew stated what they wanted quite clearly.  I know of several guys that can open their hearts and express completely what they are feeling/wanting, so to lump it all together saying "explain as best as any man can" is somewhat generic and not really applying here.  There are 3 guys, 2 of which had no problem letting her know exactly what they wanted, and one that just couldn't.  Is that because he wasn't feeling it(he did verbally tell his mom/sister/chris harrison that he DIDN'T love Des so how are us viewers suppose to magically believe that he did all along and be fine with the ending after him totally breaking her heart.  I think her storyline continues and that she surprises herself and finds the true love that she wanted in either of the other 2 guys.  Problem will be; Does Brooks come back and what happens after that.

you know Aunties_Love... where you have been around on the boards for long and have been such a old time sleuther (per one of your posts last night)... I would think you would know this.  NO... Brooks never once said he did not love Des to either his mom, his sister, Chris Harrison or to Des.  don't follow the leader with this, go back and listen for yourself.  there is a difference in saying I don't love Des and I don't think I'm feeling like she is the love of my life; there are so many things I love about Des, but I don't know if I'm prepared to propose to her; I'm pretty sure that I know the difference, I have been close to proposing in the past and I know what that felt like (just so happened that girl cheated on him so his perception of love might have been flawed). part of sleuthing is checking and rechecking the information.

again, seeing as you are this experienced then you more than likely know that Chris and Drew have told Des they love her way earlier than normal, and so did a few others that left... and yet Brooks has not said it.  hard to believe that Drew said it even before they had their first one on one... I think I'm falling in love with you. I would say that they are a little premature in their declarations, sort of jumping the gun.

you wrote

I think her storyline continues and that she surprises herself and finds the true love that she wanted in either of the other 2 guys.  Problem will be; Does Brooks come back and what happens after that.

as much as you want to believe that... here are some facts outlined on last mondays show:  when Des was crying and telling Brooks not once, not twice, not three times, not four that she loved him... that even tho he broke her heart she still loved him... I love you she said directly to his face.  she said you're the only one I can say that to, I have not shared my heart with any of the others, I wanted to give my heart to only you, when I'm not with you I think of you every minute, when I went on dates with the others I always wanted it to be you.  I wanted you to meet my parents.  

talk about living in a bubble if you think that in a few days time, she comes to her senses and choses one of the other guys?  if all it takes is coming to her senses, how easy life should be.  wow, maybe she can come to her senses about being tall, or short, or a person of color, or rich, or a movie star, or some other nonsense. after hearing her declaration of love to Brooks, why would either Chris or Drew's fans want that for their guy, just so they can win?  if she picks either of them, and I don't think for 1 minute she will, they will not last.  her heart is with Brooks, and with all she said, that is not going away in a weeks time.

Look, no disrespect intended, but I will stand up for myself here.  If you go back and listen, he flat out says that he DOESN'T love Des.  He said that to Harrison and with his mom/sister, he never said that he loves her.  

Believe me, I NEVER follow the leader on anything.  I think and feel things for myself. A lot of what I think and feel may not be popular, but it is all MY thoughts/feelings on the topic and NOT because I am following the leader!! 

You are right, there is a difference in saying I don't love someone versus saying that I don't think I am where she is at in love or this process.  He flat out said to Harrison that he's NOT in love with Des.  With Brooks saying a line as:   "there are so many things I love about Des" in NO ways does that mean that he LOVES Des.


You are right, part of sleuthing is checking and rechecking info.  Another part is not to get lost in the triangle of wanting your favorite to be the final 1 left standing.  IF you have watched my posts at all, I think you would see that I am usually pretty even keeled and do refer to the screencaps, storyline and stuff like that versus the fangirling over a favorite.  Giving a free pass to your favorite is kind of like living in a   bubble.  Sooner or later it MAY get popped(I have been on both sides of the coin). With sleuthing and being objective, you are able to see things clearer, and as I have said so many times, I have no horse in this race.  I just don't think that just because I want Drew gone because I want my fave of Brooks to win is the right way to look at things neither.

Before you get back to me, I am not saying that Brooks is my fave either, none of the guys are.  I just see differences in them and feel that her better match for the long haul is in Chris or Drew.  The guys that have stood behind her the whole way, the guys(especially Drew) that she has professed many times that she completely and thourally trust.

As far as what you have said here:

hard to believe that Drew said it even before they had their first one on one... I think I'm falling in love with you

Drew never DIRECTLY told her that before the 2 on 1 date AFTER their individual date.  YES he said it in ITM's but not directly to Des.

I NEVER said that either Chris or Drew were my faves, but when you look at the situation, I hardly think that Des is a cruel person.  Taking Drew out on that LCD with the horseback riding and sitting on the beach just to let him go as they are sitting there when she felt that she was going to let him go(as many Brooks fans seem to think) is a cruel thing.  I am thinking that she isn't necessarily saying goodbye to him there but more so talking to him about her feelings for Brooks and how Brooks leaving broke her heart.  Drew is sympathizing with her, telling her that if Brooks isn't willing to give it a go, then it will never work.

Finally;  I do understand that things are getting a little heated in here, but being condescending to the posters(me included judging from your post that I am responding to) just isn't the way to be IMO.

2boys3girls wrote:So, Brooks can come to his senses but Des can't? Funny how one-sided it is for some.
 
The hilarious thing about all of this is even though we are 99.9% sure Brooks is F1, none of us were there but some speak as though they were

ETA: Not all of Chris and Drew fans want her to choose one of them. I would have liked it if she let them both go last week if she had that option.

Yes, I agree.

Not only that, and as I have said over and over till I am blue in the face(no jokes about that..LOL), but bottom line, I don't have a horse in this race, I don't have a fave. I am just sleuthing out the caps, video, storyline and clues we do have. I am also not playing follow the leader.

Somehow, someway, I do feel that Des's storyline goes beyond Brooks and as the storyline set up in the beginning of the season about always falling harder, quicker and more thourally for the guy that doesn't do that back to her. MAYBE she learns her "lesson" and has an ephiphany as to who she really needs and thus wants in the end. Since Brooks was so quick to check out, wonder if it will be with either Chris or Drew. Maybe Brooks leaving is just what she needed to let herself go and fall completely for either Chris or Drew. We have heard her say that she is falling for Chris. Maybe, this is where her final storyline is going??

rosesrREd wrote:

mercieme wrote:To all the great sleuthers,  has any one been able to solve for how Des and Brooks continued their relationship post filming? Just curious as to how Des and Brooks managed this without anyone getting a whiff of their ins/outs considering Drew has been in her neck of the wood for some time now.

Other than RS, and others saying that their sources indicate Brooks is the F1, there is no other proof.  There have been no airport sightings, no SC's, nothing.  I understand everyone believing the spoilers, because they have always been accurate.  However, those spoilers also had evidence(airport sightings, tweets, pictures, SC's, etc.) to back them up.  This season all we have is the spoilers and no evidence.

Exactly, so if you have no evidence to back up the spoilers, it just makes you question them more. When you logically look at it, there has been no airport sightings of Chris or Brooks that leads to LA. With Des in LA and Drew in LA, what would be more convenient. Now with Chris, yes, he is close enough, can obviously grow facial hair pretty quick so maybe he slipped through unrecognized. Yet with Brooks, he has been seen on a trip that wasn't for business, been seen in the public more when Des is seen in LA.

It is hard to feel that the spoilers are correct when there is no other evidence pointing to it.

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hberry wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

tennischick80 wrote:I think she goes on a LCD with Chris- because we haven't seen the manta ray date yet. She looks like she is having a blast - so Chris probably was a buffer after Brooks left. However, I do think Brooks comes back before Drew's date, and Des tries to let Drew down easy on the beach. I believe Chris picks out a ring. If she chooses Brooks who doesn't propose (because if by coming back, he works out an agreement with MF and the producers, amending the F3 clause that states he doesn't have to propose), and subsequently she rejects Chris after being won back over by Brooks (who we have seen crying in a limo wearing a suit), that means she isn't getting engaged just because "it feels good and is exciting". She will get engaged when the time is right because she wants to be with Brooks, whatever form that takes on. I feel AWFUL for Chris and Drew if this is the case. It's not all Des' fault- I blame the show and MF for making the leads string the contestants along. I would watch Des picking Brooks in Medeira, cameras following them back home over the period of a couple months as they date long distance (as many couples do). I don't need fancy shmancy, exorbitant dates to be entertained. They could be cozying up on a couch, watching a movie, snuggling and I'd watch. They could fight or get annoyed with each other-- NO SCRIPTS. That way Chris & Drew wouldn't be carried away and given the time to fall in love with Des at all- therefore, no feelings of rejection. Is that stupid?

See, I am one of the few on here I guess that feel that Des isn't letting Drew go on the beach.  Why would they go for a horseback ride to the beach where she dumps him?  Why not dump him where they meet to go on the ride or at his hotel?  I am probably in the minor category here but I am thinking that they are talking about her feelings about Brooks and he doesn't leave right then.  I am thinking that IF and WHEN Brooks shows up, it is during the FRC after Chris and Drew met her family.  Therefore the tweet from Des's brother would of been right, he never met Brooks.  Even if she does take Brooks back and they are together, the point is, I was trying to figure out how all the tweets all work out together.

Exactly, Auntie.  Why would she go through seemingly half of the date BEFORE she breaks up with him?  If Brooks came back, and Des knew she would be letting Drew go, then why didn't she tell him before the date?  Emily did this with Arie, and Ali did this with Chris L.  It doesn't make sense that she would lead him on when she knew she was breaking it off with him.

Des was probably trying to make it work with Drew, but he picks up on it that something is wrong. She tells him that she loves Brooks, and she CAN'T see a future with anybody else..maybe he leaves on his on, because its just not gonna work if she's in love with some other guy. She continues with Chris, he's understanding, and are there for her in sad times and good times. The FRC comes, chris is ready to pop the question, she says No, Brooks comes back,even do i don't believe that,,but IF he do she says Hell No, Drew comes back she says...(..)

they said it was strange ending, am thinking with my strange brain..

The not gonna work line I think is actually Drew telling her that about Brooks.  If Brooks leaves and doesn't want to try, then no matter her feelings for Brooks, it`s just not gonna work.  Who knows.  I keep running through scenario's to see if it makes sense.

Auntie,

I have been doing the same thing. That scene has stayed with me since I first watched it. I must have gone through every possible scenario in my head over and over. I do think it's entirely possible that your theory is right. That is certainly one that I have thought about a few times.  It's almost too obvious that the line - It would never work - is about him and Des.

Sometimes I need to just step back and take a break and get into something totally not Bach related!  

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Aunties_Love wrote:

hberry wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

tennischick80 wrote:I think she goes on a LCD with Chris- because we haven't seen the manta ray date yet. She looks like she is having a blast - so Chris probably was a buffer after Brooks left. However, I do think Brooks comes back before Drew's date, and Des tries to let Drew down easy on the beach. I believe Chris picks out a ring. If she chooses Brooks who doesn't propose (because if by coming back, he works out an agreement with MF and the producers, amending the F3 clause that states he doesn't have to propose), and subsequently she rejects Chris after being won back over by Brooks (who we have seen crying in a limo wearing a suit), that means she isn't getting engaged just because "it feels good and is exciting". She will get engaged when the time is right because she wants to be with Brooks, whatever form that takes on. I feel AWFUL for Chris and Drew if this is the case. It's not all Des' fault- I blame the show and MF for making the leads string the contestants along. I would watch Des picking Brooks in Medeira, cameras following them back home over the period of a couple months as they date long distance (as many couples do). I don't need fancy shmancy, exorbitant dates to be entertained. They could be cozying up on a couch, watching a movie, snuggling and I'd watch. They could fight or get annoyed with each other-- NO SCRIPTS. That way Chris & Drew wouldn't be carried away and given the time to fall in love with Des at all- therefore, no feelings of rejection. Is that stupid?

See, I am one of the few on here I guess that feel that Des isn't letting Drew go on the beach.  Why would they go for a horseback ride to the beach where she dumps him?  Why not dump him where they meet to go on the ride or at his hotel?  I am probably in the minor category here but I am thinking that they are talking about her feelings about Brooks and he doesn't leave right then.  I am thinking that IF and WHEN Brooks shows up, it is during the FRC after Chris and Drew met her family.  Therefore the tweet from Des's brother would of been right, he never met Brooks.  Even if she does take Brooks back and they are together, the point is, I was trying to figure out how all the tweets all work out together.

Exactly, Auntie.  Why would she go through seemingly half of the date BEFORE she breaks up with him?  If Brooks came back, and Des knew she would be letting Drew go, then why didn't she tell him before the date?  Emily did this with Arie, and Ali did this with Chris L.  It doesn't make sense that she would lead him on when she knew she was breaking it off with him.

Des was probably trying to make it work with Drew, but he picks up on it that something is wrong. She tells him that she loves Brooks, and she CAN'T see a future with anybody else..maybe he leaves on his on, because its just not gonna work if she's in love with some other guy. She continues with Chris, he's understanding, and are there for her in sad times and good times. The FRC comes, chris is ready to pop the question, she says No, Brooks comes back,even do i don't believe that,,but IF he do she says Hell No, Drew comes back she says...(..)

they said it was strange ending, am thinking with my strange brain..

The not gonna work line I think is actually Drew telling her that about Brooks.  If Brooks leaves and doesn't want to try, then no matter her feelings for Brooks, it`s just not gonna work.  Who knows.  I keep running through scenario's to see if it makes sense.

Auntie,

I have been doing the same thing. That scene has stayed with me since I first watched it. I must have gone through every possible scenario in my head over and over. I do think it's entirely possible that your theory is right. That is certainly one that I have thought about a few times.  It's almost too obvious that the line - It would never work - is about him and Des.

Sometimes I need to just step back and take a break and get into something totally not Bach related!  

LOL, yea, the reason why I think that line has to do with Brooks and Des versus Drew and Des is because the machine are trying so hard to make us think that they'd go onto a date like that and knowing she's going to give Drew the boot, keeps going on the date. I just don't see that side of Des. I don't see a cruel person, but more so, I think it has to do with Drew comforting Des and making her feel better about Brooks leaving?