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Post by Ariela Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:13 am

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Yes, we should keep in mind that this show has nothing whatsoever to do with real life!  Quadruple! Well said! Three guys and a girl! Someone should make a movie out of it!    giggling 

This show is like dating on steroids! They don't really spend much actual time with the lead and yet they are all in this competition to win her.  I think the bubble effect takes hold and they can think that it's love until they are once again back in the real world.  

People who make a commitment in real life should be willing to stick it out through the good and the bad. That's what the marriage vows say.  It's not easy to stay married, but if it's too hard right from the beginning then how on earth can they survive the real tests that they will face in life?  On this show there is a great deal of pressure to commit and fall in love quickly, but aside from that they are cut off from their family and friends, no internet, no cell phones, but a lot of time spent in beautiful locations.  It's really so strange and I am amazed that many of them deal with it so well.  

In real life Brooks would only be dating Des exclusively, I hope.  He would have plenty of time to get to know her. He could talk with his family and get some feedback. Same for the other guys. But that is not the case. I just think that Brooks may have real feelings for Des but may not be ready to make that kind of commitment.

Great post, Native!
ITA.
You have to be ready first, then meet the right one.

Just a side note: I wonder if all the hoopla previews  are about Brooks having an issue  with commitment, or if he's having a problem with Des going to FS with the other 2 ??? or a little of both?

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Post by Guest Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:14 am

nutty1 wrote:You'll never know the sources, people will not give them up.

Repeating myself.... word  giggling

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Post by Guest Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:17 am

nutty1 wrote:You'll never know the sources, people will not give them up.

Oh, I know. I wasn't expecting that. I'm just trying to figure out how that all would work/fit together in my head...esp. b/c of that one post in May, Love initially confirming, and then a new spoiler. Stuff like that has happened before so I'm not really discounting anything. But our ending filming schedule is murky, the caps are murky, and we have a changed spoiler...so I'm curious about how Love, San, sophie, and RS all ended up in the same place.

At this point I feel like we're still kind of far away from whatever F1 love story Des is living today....it's all just pieces of the bigger puzzle.


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Post by atem Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:21 am

It will be interesting to when RS is shown to be wrong again when it's Drew that stays and Brooks that 'leaves' during the FD episode.

I don't think sources should be given, but I don't see what is wrong about asking for some other indication of what happened, because other things like caps and the edit aren't bearing that out.


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Post by nutty1 Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:25 am

auntie wrote:
nutty1 wrote:You'll never know the sources, people will not give them up.

Oh, I know.  I wasn't expecting that.  I'm just trying to figure out how that all would work/fit together in my head...esp. b/c of that one post in May, Love initially confirming, and then a new spoiler.  Stuff like that has happened before so I'm not really discounting anything.  But our ending filming schedule is murky, the caps are murky, and we have a changed spoiler...so I'm curious about how Love, San, sophie, and RS all ended up in the same place.

At this point I feel like we're still kind of far away from whatever F1 love story Des is living today....it's all just pieces of the bigger puzzle.


Maybe because Brooks really is the final guy? giggling 


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Post by misticia Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:29 am

atem wrote:It will be interesting to when RS is shown to be wrong again when it's Drew that stays and Brooks that 'leaves' during the FD episode.

I don't think sources should be given, but I don't see what is wrong about asking for some other indication of what happened, because other things like caps and the edit aren't bearing that out.

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Post by MaggieBach Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:33 am

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I always try to remember that these people are much younger than I am. My life experience has taught me a lot, the hard way! So it's easy for me to see what is going on and the warning signs for Des and Brooks.   I absolutely agree that if it has to be that complicated and the guy bails and then comes back, it usually doesn't work out.  When it's that difficult and you have to work that hard and someone leaves and then comes back, it's just an indication that it was not meant to be. Now others may see it quite differently.  The other argument could be that if they can surmount these obstacles, then it will stand the test of time.  But given how quickly everything happens on this show and how difficult it is to really know each other in a compressed period of time, then I do think this kind of struggle is indicative of a relationship that won't make it in the long term.  

Native, ITA.  I'm also older and in younger days felt like the struggle proved that you had feelings for each other ... and it was worth fighting for.  But experience taught me that just the opposite is true.  Having been there, done that, I can now see that when it's right, there is no struggle; it's just easy.  No fear, no hesitation, just trust and love.

No more speculation on how the next few episodes play out as I have been wrong on so many guesses. However, I will speak to what I KNOW. I disagree with the above. I dated my husband for a year when he suddenly decided he wasn't ready for a relationship. I cried my eyes out for two days when he came back with a letter saying he was wrong (he even quoted the poem about letting a butterfly go and if it comes back it was meant to be.). We have now been married 34 years. And we still love each other like crazy and he is the most loyal, attentive, loving husband anyone could ever imagine.

Just a note for the younger folks so that they do not assume a few days of hesitation means it is over!

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Post by SueSt Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:39 am

MaggieBach wrote:
SueSt wrote:
Nativenewyorker wrote:
I always try to remember that these people are much younger than I am. My life experience has taught me a lot, the hard way! So it's easy for me to see what is going on and the warning signs for Des and Brooks.   I absolutely agree that if it has to be that complicated and the guy bails and then comes back, it usually doesn't work out.  When it's that difficult and you have to work that hard and someone leaves and then comes back, it's just an indication that it was not meant to be. Now others may see it quite differently.  The other argument could be that if they can surmount these obstacles, then it will stand the test of time.  But given how quickly everything happens on this show and how difficult it is to really know each other in a compressed period of time, then I do think this kind of struggle is indicative of a relationship that won't make it in the long term.  

Native, ITA.  I'm also older and in younger days felt like the struggle proved that you had feelings for each other ... and it was worth fighting for.  But experience taught me that just the opposite is true.  Having been there, done that, I can now see that when it's right, there is no struggle; it's just easy.  No fear, no hesitation, just trust and love.

No more speculation on how the next few episodes play out as I have been wrong on so many guesses. However, I will speak to what I KNOW. I disagree with the above. I dated my husband for a year when he suddenly decided he wasn't ready for a relationship. I cried my eyes out for two days when he came back with a letter saying he was wrong (he even quoted the poem about letting a butterfly go and if it comes back it was meant to be.). We have now been married 34 years. And we still love each other like crazy and he is the most loyal, attentive, loving husband anyone could ever imagine.

Just a note for the younger folks so that they do not assume a few days of hesitation means it is over!

:-) what a nice story, thanks for sharing your experience and POV.
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Post by iamreal2u Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:55 am

SueSt wrote:
MaggieBach wrote:
SueSt wrote:
Nativenewyorker wrote:
I always try to remember that these people are much younger than I am. My life experience has taught me a lot, the hard way! So it's easy for me to see what is going on and the warning signs for Des and Brooks.   I absolutely agree that if it has to be that complicated and the guy bails and then comes back, it usually doesn't work out.  When it's that difficult and you have to work that hard and someone leaves and then comes back, it's just an indication that it was not meant to be. Now others may see it quite differently.  The other argument could be that if they can surmount these obstacles, then it will stand the test of time.  But given how quickly everything happens on this show and how difficult it is to really know each other in a compressed period of time, then I do think this kind of struggle is indicative of a relationship that won't make it in the long term.  

Native, ITA.  I'm also older and in younger days felt like the struggle proved that you had feelings for each other ... and it was worth fighting for.  But experience taught me that just the opposite is true.  Having been there, done that, I can now see that when it's right, there is no struggle; it's just easy.  No fear, no hesitation, just trust and love.

No more speculation on how the next few episodes play out as I have been wrong on so many guesses. However, I will speak to what I KNOW. I disagree with the above. I dated my husband for a year when he suddenly decided he wasn't ready for a relationship. I cried my eyes out for two days when he came back with a letter saying he was wrong (he even quoted the poem about letting a butterfly go and if it comes back it was meant to be.). We have now been married 34 years. And we still love each other like crazy and he is the most loyal, attentive, loving husband anyone could ever imagine.

Just a note for the younger folks so that they do not assume a few days of hesitation means it is over!

:-) what a nice story, thanks for sharing your experience and POV.
It really is. Blessings to you and fam. I can see this happening with Brooks and Des.
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Post by albean99 Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:08 am

MaggieBach wrote:
SueSt wrote:
Nativenewyorker wrote:
I always try to remember that these people are much younger than I am. My life experience has taught me a lot, the hard way! So it's easy for me to see what is going on and the warning signs for Des and Brooks.   I absolutely agree that if it has to be that complicated and the guy bails and then comes back, it usually doesn't work out.  When it's that difficult and you have to work that hard and someone leaves and then comes back, it's just an indication that it was not meant to be. Now others may see it quite differently.  The other argument could be that if they can surmount these obstacles, then it will stand the test of time.  But given how quickly everything happens on this show and how difficult it is to really know each other in a compressed period of time, then I do think this kind of struggle is indicative of a relationship that won't make it in the long term.  

Native, ITA.  I'm also older and in younger days felt like the struggle proved that you had feelings for each other ... and it was worth fighting for.  But experience taught me that just the opposite is true.  Having been there, done that, I can now see that when it's right, there is no struggle; it's just easy.  No fear, no hesitation, just trust and love.

No more speculation on how the next few episodes play out as I have been wrong on so many guesses. However, I will speak to what I KNOW. I disagree with the above. I dated my husband for a year when he suddenly decided he wasn't ready for a relationship. I cried my eyes out for two days when he came back with a letter saying he was wrong (he even quoted the poem about letting a butterfly go and if it comes back it was meant to be.). We have now been married 34 years. And we still love each other like crazy and he is the most loyal, attentive, loving husband anyone could ever imagine.

Just a note for the younger folks so that they do not assume a few days of hesitation means it is over!

Thanks for sharing your great story. It's hard to know if this will be the same however because you & your husband had a year invested at that time.

Sources are tough because it seems like mostly they're known only by emails. Are they or are they not legit? If they've used them in the past there's got to be more weight on what they're saying. I'm sure RS has seen photos in the past which is why he's so certain and maybe this time as well.


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Post by nd4reality Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:15 am

atem wrote:It will be interesting to when RS is shown to be wrong again when it's Drew that stays and Brooks that 'leaves' during the FD episode.

I don't think sources should be given, but I don't see what is wrong about asking for some other indication of what happened, because other things like caps and the edit aren't bearing that out.

I would like to agree. I didn't see anyone asking for the sources just additional information from the sources.

And that is what I think is the problem here particularly with RS seeing that he has been spoiling for over a year including BP details.
He has absolutely no clue of what went down after really the F5 RC. His sources got the order of eliminations completely wrong. That is a huge detail and there is no way he can just sweep away the error by just gloating that he got the F1 right. Bottom line he has got over 75 % of the ending wrong. It remains to be seen if the remaining 25% is right.  He is in an information blackout from his sources. Interesting right ?

Oh and BTW - (IMO only I have no proof). The fact that the spoilers were leaked right on cue of the FRC both in this season and the last one makes me assume that the leak has come from a production insider and then subsequently in time, validated by family and friends. There is no way that family and friends would know what went down in Antigua on the day of the FRC.


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Post by nd4reality Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:16 am

albean99 wrote:
MaggieBach wrote:
SueSt wrote:
Nativenewyorker wrote:
I always try to remember that these people are much younger than I am. My life experience has taught me a lot, the hard way! So it's easy for me to see what is going on and the warning signs for Des and Brooks.   I absolutely agree that if it has to be that complicated and the guy bails and then comes back, it usually doesn't work out.  When it's that difficult and you have to work that hard and someone leaves and then comes back, it's just an indication that it was not meant to be. Now others may see it quite differently.  The other argument could be that if they can surmount these obstacles, then it will stand the test of time.  But given how quickly everything happens on this show and how difficult it is to really know each other in a compressed period of time, then I do think this kind of struggle is indicative of a relationship that won't make it in the long term.  

Native, ITA.  I'm also older and in younger days felt like the struggle proved that you had feelings for each other ... and it was worth fighting for.  But experience taught me that just the opposite is true.  Having been there, done that, I can now see that when it's right, there is no struggle; it's just easy.  No fear, no hesitation, just trust and love.

No more speculation on how the next few episodes play out as I have been wrong on so many guesses. However, I will speak to what I KNOW. I disagree with the above. I dated my husband for a year when he suddenly decided he wasn't ready for a relationship. I cried my eyes out for two days when he came back with a letter saying he was wrong (he even quoted the poem about letting a butterfly go and if it comes back it was meant to be.). We have now been married 34 years. And we still love each other like crazy and he is the most loyal, attentive, loving husband anyone could ever imagine.

Just a note for the younger folks so that they do not assume a few days of hesitation means it is over!

Thanks for sharing your great story. It's hard to know if this will be the same however because you & your husband had a year invested at that time.

Sources are tough because it seems like mostly they're known only by emails. Are they or are they not legit? If they've used them in the past there's got to be more weight on what they're saying. I'm sure RS has seen photos in the past which is why he's so certain and maybe this time as well.

Like that thanksgiving photograph of Chantal and Brad right ? giggling 


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