Re: The Final One (F1) - Bachelorette 9 - Spoilers - Thread #4

by Kashathediva Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:23 pm

Well, I may be old fashioned but it always helps in real life if a couple has a job or form of supporting themselves financially beyond the grace of others. That's a step in the right direction, at least.

by pander3575 Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:24 pm

Kashathediva wrote:Well, I may be old fashioned but it always helps in real life if a couple has a job or form of supporting themselves financially beyond the grace of others. That's a step in the right direction, at least.

Who doesn't have a job? Drew?

by Kashathediva Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:44 pm

pander3575 wrote:
Kashathediva wrote:Well, I may be old fashioned but it always helps in real life if a couple has a job or form of supporting themselves financially beyond the grace of others. That's a step in the right direction, at least.

Who doesn't have a job? Drew?

I was actually referring to a couple.
I don't follow Drew close enough to know what his employment status is on the heels of his recent move and his association with various modeling agencies.

by Ariela Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:02 pm

BarbB222 wrote:
nd4reality wrote:
pander3575 wrote:
Cecilia wrote:It's going to be the most dramatic ever and I can't wait! Especially for ATFR when they are happily together and all of the negative Brook haters will have absolutely nothing to say.[/quote]

Don't believe that. It doesn't stop just because they are together.

So true.

Its' Not just this season either.

So sad but true . Some have their doomsday clocks prepared. Don't really blame them. Not a lot of couples have survived. Even the well known Body Language expert Lillian Glass says Sean and Cat won't make it. Google and read. It's a tough world out there in RL for any relationship. Just gotta prove the critics wrong. Their life, their choice.

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Do we know 100% for sure that Brooks is f1? I read the spoilers....but I'm a little confused based on Des' recent tweets. They don't sound like a description of Brooks.

Maybe she picks no one and is having fun tweeting....

I don't pick a "winner". I'm an equal opportunity basher, if they deserve it based on what they say and how they act. I try to read the "intent" behind their actions instead of MF spliced/edited bites. FYI- I don't hate any of the guys. I truly believe that we ALL have good and bad in us.

by Piper61 Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:04 pm

:study:

by albean99 Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:08 pm

Cecilia wrote:It's going to be the most dramatic ever and I can't wait! Especially for ATFR when they are happily together and all of the negative Brook haters will have absolutely nothing to say.

Are you talking about here because I haven't seen any Brooks "haters"? Being doubtful about someone's intentions or actions doesn't make one a hater imo. I actually don't dislike Brooks at all & what I've seen is that most of us like all of the f3. Now if you want all positive stuff, LoveMe made some nice fan threads. That's where I lived at the end of Sean's season. :Nod:

by beader Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:18 pm

Cecilia wrote:It's going to be the most dramatic ever and I can't wait! Especially for ATFR when they are happily together and all of the negative Brook haters will have absolutely nothing to say.

You don't make it clear who you feel are "all of the negative Brook haters." Are you referring to posters on this board who may not be "in love" with Brooks, may have another favorite, may have no favorite, or maybe just feel Brooks is not their type? I haven't heard anyone on this board say they "hate" Brooks. I've heard people say they think he has a few issues, but "issues" have been brought up for many of the contestants. It's what we do.

Yes, the same thing happened last season. Anyone who was not drooling over 1F was referred to as a "hater." I really hope this negative attitude does not take precedence again this season. There's really no need to call anyone a "hater" or put down other posters. If your man is F1, enjoy it and wish them the best.

Hopefully, you were not referring to posters on this board. I don't know much about anything that goes on outside what is posted here. Maybe there really are "Brook haters" out there. IDK.

by SueSt Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:24 pm

albean99 wrote:
Cecilia wrote:It's going to be the most dramatic ever and I can't wait! Especially for ATFR when they are happily together and all of the negative Brook haters will have absolutely nothing to say.

Are you talking about here because I haven't seen any Brooks "haters"? Being doubtful about someone's intentions or actions doesn't make one a hater imo. I actually don't dislike Brooks at all & what I've seen is that most of us like all of the f3. Now if you want all positive stuff, LoveMe made some nice fan threads. That's where I lived at the end of Sean's season. :Nod:

OMG YES!!!! Thank you Albean.
hahahah on the fan threads!

by Aunties_Love Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:50 pm

Mimi27 wrote:Brooks isn't just being wishy washy. He isn't just trying to figure things out.

BROOKS QUITS.

He dumps Des.

He isn't being refreshing either, he does quit.

by Cecilia Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:53 pm

Aunties_Love wrote:
Mimi27 wrote:Brooks isn't just being wishy washy. He isn't just trying to figure things out.

BROOKS QUITS.

He dumps Des.
He isn't being refreshing either, he does quit.

Aunties_Love - why don't you wait to see what actually happens. We don't know.

by Piper61 Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:56 pm

I wish I had a crystal ball.

by Guest Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:00 pm

moonchild wrote:
gabriele wrote:
relaxing wrote:
veg_out wrote:
sydney1 wrote:
CHO wrote:My concern is that Des has apparently been thinking fairly independently for some years - and Brooks is still seemingly very dependent on his family's thoughts on "what is being in love like" and "how do I know?" I can see that as differences that might cause problems later on - how much is the family involved ?

From what was shown on the HTDs all four families are very involved in their sons lives. Because of Des indpendence, it is going to be different no matter who she choose. I don't think she would have a problem with any of the families being supportive and encouraging. We really don't know what the conversation between Brooks' Mom and sister entailed. And what's wrong with talking to your mom and sister about your feelings, that's what family is for. Why do all the guys want their mothers' blessing if it is not important to them. Just because Brooks is unsure of the depth of his feelings does not mean he is not sincere in them. And just maybe Moms wisdom and sister 's experience can open a door or shed a light that will help him make the right decision not just for him, but, for Des also. JMO

I think that Brooks' uncertainty is 80% crafted by the show and 20% self-inflicted. On their first date, Brooks says at the end, "I'm stoked" about the future. By Munich, he's telling her that he appreciates any time that he has with her. In Spain, he says that he's so happy with the way things are going. On their date in Portugal, he affirms her that "it is working" when she questions if they would work in the real world. When they're leaving the park on his HTD, he says that he and Des are on the same page. He talks to her and to his family about "their relationship." The only thing that I've heard Brooks say to Des about any hesitancy where the words actually came out of his mouth were that he wished he had the time to explore his feelings. By the end of their date, he's telling us that he doesn't want her to go, that he wants her to stay, and he talks about their future again.

I write all of that not to say that Brooks is definitely the F1 by edit; rather, TPTB have crafted the storyline of him being super behind on his feelings and that contradicts the things he's said where you actually see his mouth uttering the words, not VOs, not PIs. When Brooks leaves, I imagine it's that he just isn't ready to propose to her without more time. Brooks, it appears, is moving at real-life not Bubble speed whereas Drew and Chris have been persuaded to profess love as a stark contrast to Brooks' pace. CH keeps holding that juxtaposition in front of Des' face. That's producer-driven for sure. "Look at these guys who are in love with you."

I still think that there's room for either Chris or Drew to take this thing if the "shocking news" isn't that he's not ready to propose and more along the lines of that she isn't what he wants. I don't think it's the latter since he's said so much to date about the things he loves about her.

So, yes, I'm still very much thinking it's anyone's game depending on the way that Des deals with losing Brooks...

Thank-you! Thank-you for this unemotional, well-reasoned look At Brooks feelings vs the show story line. I really wonder how much and what type of producer influence there was in getting him to bow out.
veg, great analysis as always.

i don't even want to know what they did to brooks. with posters saying they tell the F2 they are actually the F1 and even cry to get people to do things i can only imagine what they did this season to everyone.

Thanks, Veg, this is what I have been trying to say but not nearly as articulately as you have.

I watched the HTD again and all three mothers of the final 3 factored prominently in that episode. I thought the edit was very interesting on how things were presented. I can post some of my notes on the EDIT thread if anyone is interested. I don't know that it answers any questions, but might spark something with someone else.

I do think that Brooks was manipulated big time even though he was very careful to try to think things through. I'm sure they played into his insecurities of "don't forget there are still two more guys in this and she really seems to care a lot about them. This goes back to the conversation of the F3 when Zak was being walked out, Brooks commented, " I don't think he saw it coming". You could see the wheels turning in his head.

moon, i'd love to hear your thoughts on the edit of the HTDs. it's been kinda quiet in that thread.

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