Re: The Final One (F1) - Bachelorette 9 - Spoilers - Thread #4

[Guest]

My concern is that Des has apparently been thinking fairly independently for some years - and Brooks is still seemingly very dependent on his family's thoughts on "what is being in love like" and "how do I know?"  I can see that as differences that might cause problems later on - how much is the family involved ?

From what was shown on the HTDs all four families are very involved in their sons lives. Because of Des indpendence, it is going to be different no matter who she choose.  I don't think she would have a problem with any of the families being supportive and encouraging.  We really don't know what the conversation between Brooks' Mom and sister entailed. And what's wrong with talking to your mom and sister about your feelings, that's what family is for.  Why do all the guys want their mothers' blessing if it is not important to them.  Just because Brooks is unsure of the depth of his feelings does not mean he is not sincere in them.  And just maybe Moms wisdom and sister 's experience can open a door or shed a light that will help him make the right decision not just for him, but, for Des also. JMO

I think that Brooks' uncertainty is 80% crafted by the show and 20% self-inflicted. On their first date, Brooks says at the end, "I'm stoked" about the future. By Munich, he's telling her that he appreciates any time that he has with her. In Spain, he says that he's so happy with the way things are going. On their date in Portugal, he affirms her that "it is working" when she questions if they would work in the real world. When they're leaving the park on his HTD, he says that he and Des are on the same page. He talks to her and to his family about "their relationship." The only thing that I've heard Brooks say to Des about any hesitancy where the words actually came out of his mouth were that he wished he had the time to explore his feelings. By the end of their date, he's telling us that he doesn't want her to go, that he wants her to stay, and he talks about their future again.

I write all of that not to say that Brooks is definitely the F1 by edit; rather, TPTB have crafted the storyline of him being super behind on his feelings and that contradicts the things he's said where you actually see his mouth uttering the words, not VOs, not PIs. When Brooks leaves, I imagine it's that he just isn't ready to propose to her without more time. Brooks, it appears, is moving at real-life not Bubble speed whereas Drew and Chris have been persuaded to profess love as a stark contrast to Brooks' pace. CH keeps holding that juxtaposition in front of Des' face. That's producer-driven for sure. "Look at these guys who are in love with you."

I still think that there's room for either Chris or Drew to take this thing if the "shocking news" isn't that he's not ready to propose and more along the lines of that she isn't what he wants. I don't think it's the latter since he's said so much to date about the things he loves about her.

So, yes, I'm still very much thinking it's anyone's game depending on the way that Des deals with losing Brooks...

Thank-you!  Thank-you for this unemotional, well-reasoned look At Brooks feelings vs the show story line.  I really wonder how much and what type of producer influence there was in getting him to bow out.

veg, great analysis as always.

i don't even want to know what they did to brooks. with posters saying they tell the F2 they are actually the F1 and even cry to get people to do things i can only imagine what they did this season to everyone.  

Thanks, Veg, this is what I have been trying to say but not nearly as articulately as you have.

I watched the HTD again and all three mothers of the final 3 factored prominently in that episode.  I thought the edit was very interesting on how things were presented.  I can post some of my notes on the EDIT thread if anyone is interested.  I don't know that it answers any questions, but might spark something with someone else.

I do think that Brooks was manipulated big time even though he was very careful to try to think things through.  I'm sure they played into his insecurities of "don't forget there are still two more guys in this and she really seems to care a lot about them.  This goes back to the conversation of the F3 when Zak was being walked out, Brooks commented, " I don't think he saw it coming".  You could see the wheels turning in his head.

moon, i'd love to hear your thoughts on the edit of the HTDs. it's been kinda quiet in that thread.

I second this!

[latergator]

I wish I had a crystal ball.

I just happen to have one of those Piper... you can use it  

      

there's 2 just in case one breaks

[LLiza]

It's going to be the most dramatic ever and I can't wait!  Especially for ATFR when they are happily together and all of the negative Brook haters will have absolutely nothing to say.

I would be able to handle Monday nite better if the second part played on the same nite.  But NOOOO we have a wait a week to see how the ending plays out.  One good thing is that ATFR is right after and we do not have to wait another week.

True and it will give TPTB more time to mess with our minds.  

Only if you let them. Remember, it's just a game show!

[sfrank]

Brooks isn't just being wishy washy. He isn't just trying to figure things out. 

BROOKS QUITS.

He dumps Des.

He isn't being refreshing either, he does quit.

Oh guys got to go the early screening then?!   Why don't we wait and SEE what actually happens?

[Guest]

Brooks isn't just being wishy washy. He isn't just trying to figure things out. 

BROOKS QUITS.

He dumps Des.

I'm afraid that is true.

and worse, reluctantly going to inform her. Nice.

Well, what was the alternative to *reluctantly* going to inform her??? *Eagerly* going to inform her?

Some personalities are not easy fits with quasi-real reality speed dating shows. I wouldn't have been (and my husband would have been a disaster at it  )

We'll see how it plays out, but most RL relationships have their ups and downs or their S@&*-or-get-off-the-pot moments. They just don't happen under the watchful eye of MF and co.

According to the article - he didn't want to go at all.

Its a dating reality show. What did he expect that the camara's would not be around when he got his cold feet ?

There are other ways of finding your life partner i.e the RL method. Like most of the test of us.

Which article are you referring to?

[Guest]

Brooks isn't just being wishy washy. He isn't just trying to figure things out. 

BROOKS QUITS.

He dumps Des.

He isn't being refreshing either, he does quit.

Aunties_Love - why don't you wait to see what actually happens. We don't know.  

He is refreshing to those who see and appreciate what a unique, real, genuine and thoughtful approach he's taking to this - thinking about the realities of a relationship after the show and if it will work - not trying to stay on tv longer, become the next Bach or just get engaged for the heck of it to be the winner and then realize soon after that maybe he should have thought it through a little more.  

Could not be more refreshing to me and the most real reaction to being on this show I've seen.  I know some agree and some don't, just responding to the definitive nature of that statement above.  It's up for debate.

[albean99]

Brooks isn't just being wishy washy. He isn't just trying to figure things out. 

BROOKS QUITS.

He dumps Des.

He isn't being refreshing either, he does quit.

Aunties_Love - why don't you wait to see what actually happens. We don't know.  

He is refreshing to those who see and appreciate what a unique, real, genuine and thoughtful approach he's taking to this - thinking about the realities of a relationship after the show and if it will work - not trying to stay on tv longer, become the next Bach or just get engaged for the heck of it to be the winner and then realize soon after that maybe he should have thought it through a little more.  

Could not be more refreshing to me and the most real reaction to being on this show I've seen.  I know some agree and some don't, just responding to the definitive nature of that statement above.  It's up for debate.

Do we really know what approach he's taking to the show? It seems like it's speculation to explain him leaving. I have no issue with that but it's beginning to be taken as the truth. We won't really know until we see what happens & what's said but even then it's only what they decide to show us.  Hopefully this interpretation turns out to be right for Des' sake. I don't care for Brooks just leaving at this point and then changing his mind but will wait to see how it plays out.

[Guest]

Brooks isn't just being wishy washy. He isn't just trying to figure things out. 

BROOKS QUITS.

He dumps Des.

He isn't being refreshing either, he does quit.

Aunties_Love - why don't you wait to see what actually happens. We don't know.  

He is refreshing to those who see and appreciate what a unique, real, genuine and thoughtful approach he's taking to this - thinking about the realities of a relationship after the show and if it will work - not trying to stay on tv longer, become the next Bach or just get engaged for the heck of it to be the winner and then realize soon after that maybe he should have thought it through a little more.  

Could not be more refreshing to me and the most real reaction to being on this show I've seen.  I know some agree and some don't, just responding to the definitive nature of that statement above.  It's up for debate.

Do we really know what approach he's taking to the show? It seems like it's speculation to explain him leaving. I have no issue with that but it's beginning to be taken as the truth. We won't really know until we see what happens & what's said but even then it's only what they decide to show us.  Hopefully this interpretation turns out to be right for Des' sake. I don't care for Brooks just leaving at this point and then changing his mind but will wait to see how it plays out.

I agree it's a guessed opinion which ever way one sees it. I also think he probably has major abandonment issues stemming from his dad (see his tearing up at even talking about it) and that likely affects him, a major fear of rejection maybe?

I don't like the idea of him leaving and changing his mind either and almost don't even want to watch this week. I'm trying to hold onto positive feelings that it will play out in a way that leaves Des with a happy ending, which is what I most would love. For me that only happens when she ends up with Brooks, because watching the grapevine preview it just reinforces to me how different she is Brooks vs Chris and Drew - love vs really likes to me.

[LLiza]

This reminds me of my favorite phrase...."There is no charge for dreams." Now let's get back to reality!

[Jeepers]

Well .. ALL of the previews tonight are leading the general public to believe that there is NO F1.. des will choose no one in the end..... No question about it

No question about this ploy...

[nutty1]

I'll bet viewership will be way up the next 2 weeks….and that's exactly what they were going for!

[Aunties_Love]

It's going to be the most dramatic ever and I can't wait!  Especially for ATFR when they are happily together and all of the negative Brook haters will have absolutely nothing to say.

Are you talking about here because I haven't seen any Brooks "haters"? Being doubtful about someone's intentions or actions doesn't make one a hater imo. I actually don't dislike Brooks at all & what I've seen is that most of us like all of the f3. Now if you want all positive stuff, LoveMe made some nice fan threads. That's where I lived at the end of Sean's season.  :Nod:

I agree. I haven't seen any Brooks "haters", but yes, there is not all positive and roses posts either. You are right albean, the positive and love posts will be in the fan threads if that is what someone is looking for.

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