Re: The Final One (F1) - Bachelorette 9 - Spoilers - Thread #4

by moonchild Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:03 pm

gabriele wrote:
relaxing wrote:
veg_out wrote:
sydney1 wrote:
CHO wrote:My concern is that Des has apparently been thinking fairly independently for some years - and Brooks is still seemingly very dependent on his family's thoughts on "what is being in love like" and "how do I know?" I can see that as differences that might cause problems later on - how much is the family involved ?

From what was shown on the HTDs all four families are very involved in their sons lives. Because of Des indpendence, it is going to be different no matter who she choose. I don't think she would have a problem with any of the families being supportive and encouraging. We really don't know what the conversation between Brooks' Mom and sister entailed. And what's wrong with talking to your mom and sister about your feelings, that's what family is for. Why do all the guys want their mothers' blessing if it is not important to them. Just because Brooks is unsure of the depth of his feelings does not mean he is not sincere in them. And just maybe Moms wisdom and sister 's experience can open a door or shed a light that will help him make the right decision not just for him, but, for Des also. JMO

I think that Brooks' uncertainty is 80% crafted by the show and 20% self-inflicted. On their first date, Brooks says at the end, "I'm stoked" about the future. By Munich, he's telling her that he appreciates any time that he has with her. In Spain, he says that he's so happy with the way things are going. On their date in Portugal, he affirms her that "it is working" when she questions if they would work in the real world. When they're leaving the park on his HTD, he says that he and Des are on the same page. He talks to her and to his family about "their relationship." The only thing that I've heard Brooks say to Des about any hesitancy where the words actually came out of his mouth were that he wished he had the time to explore his feelings. By the end of their date, he's telling us that he doesn't want her to go, that he wants her to stay, and he talks about their future again.

I write all of that not to say that Brooks is definitely the F1 by edit; rather, TPTB have crafted the storyline of him being super behind on his feelings and that contradicts the things he's said where you actually see his mouth uttering the words, not VOs, not PIs. When Brooks leaves, I imagine it's that he just isn't ready to propose to her without more time. Brooks, it appears, is moving at real-life not Bubble speed whereas Drew and Chris have been persuaded to profess love as a stark contrast to Brooks' pace. CH keeps holding that juxtaposition in front of Des' face. That's producer-driven for sure. "Look at these guys who are in love with you."

I still think that there's room for either Chris or Drew to take this thing if the "shocking news" isn't that he's not ready to propose and more along the lines of that she isn't what he wants. I don't think it's the latter since he's said so much to date about the things he loves about her.

So, yes, I'm still very much thinking it's anyone's game depending on the way that Des deals with losing Brooks...

Thank-you! Thank-you for this unemotional, well-reasoned look At Brooks feelings vs the show story line. I really wonder how much and what type of producer influence there was in getting him to bow out.
veg, great analysis as always.

i don't even want to know what they did to brooks. with posters saying they tell the F2 they are actually the F1 and even cry to get people to do things i can only imagine what they did this season to everyone.

Thanks, Veg, this is what I have been trying to say but not nearly as articulately as you have.

I watched the HTD again and all three mothers of the final 3 factored prominently in that episode. I thought the edit was very interesting on how things were presented. I can post some of my notes on the EDIT thread if anyone is interested. I don't know that it answers any questions, but might spark something with someone else.

I do think that Brooks was manipulated big time even though he was very careful to try to think things through. I'm sure they played into his insecurities of "don't forget there are still two more guys in this and she really seems to care a lot about them. This goes back to the conversation of the F3 when Zak was being walked out, Brooks commented, " I don't think he saw it coming". You could see the wheels turning in his head.

by Mimi27 Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:42 pm

Brooks isn't just being wishy washy. He isn't just trying to figure things out.

BROOKS QUITS.

He dumps Des.

by nd4reality Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:43 pm

Mimi27 wrote:Brooks isn't just being wishy washy. He isn't just trying to figure things out.

BROOKS QUITS.

He dumps Des.

I'm afraid that is true.

and worse, reluctantly going to inform her. Nice.

by nannymargie Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:58 pm

Mimi27 wrote:Brooks isn't just being wishy washy. He isn't just trying to figure things out.

BROOKS QUITS.

He dumps Des.

Sorry, but I just believe that at the end of this they will be together and engaged. Sometimes you have to read between the lines and this time you have to read the hidden screen caps. It will be bumpy with a lot of crying on both parts.

by FinalHydrangea Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:08 pm

nd4reality wrote:
Mimi27 wrote:Brooks isn't just being wishy washy. He isn't just trying to figure things out.

BROOKS QUITS.

He dumps Des.

I'm afraid that is true.

and worse, reluctantly going to inform her. Nice.

Well, what was the alternative to *reluctantly* going to inform her??? *Eagerly* going to inform her?

Some personalities are not easy fits with quasi-real reality speed dating shows. I wouldn't have been (and my husband would have been a disaster at it giggling

)

We'll see how it plays out, but most RL relationships have their ups and downs or their S@&*-or-get-off-the-pot moments. They just don't happen under the watchful eye of MF and co.

by nd4reality Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:12 pm

FinalHydrangea wrote:
nd4reality wrote:
Mimi27 wrote:Brooks isn't just being wishy washy. He isn't just trying to figure things out.

BROOKS QUITS.

He dumps Des.

I'm afraid that is true.

and worse, reluctantly going to inform her. Nice.
Well, what was the alternative to *reluctantly* going to inform her??? *Eagerly* going to inform her?

Some personalities are not easy fits with quasi-real reality speed dating shows. I wouldn't have been (and my husband would have been a disaster at it )

We'll see how it plays out, but most RL relationships have their ups and downs or their S@&*-or-get-off-the-pot moments. They just don't happen under the watchful eye of MF and co.

According to the article - he didn't want to go at all.

Its a dating reality show. What did he expect that the camara's would not be around when he got his cold feet ?

There are other ways of finding your life partner i.e the RL method. Like most of the test of us.

by Cecilia Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:45 pm

It's going to be the most dramatic ever and I can't wait! Especially for ATFR when they are happily together and all of the negative Brook haters will have absolutely nothing to say.

by pander3575 Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:50 pm

Cecilia wrote:It's going to be the most dramatic ever and I can't wait! Especially for ATFR when they are happily together and all of the negative Brook haters will have absolutely nothing to say.

Don't believe that. It doesn't stop just because they are together.

by nannymargie Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:52 pm

Cecilia wrote:It's going to be the most dramatic ever and I can't wait! Especially for ATFR when they are happily together and all of the negative Brook haters will have absolutely nothing to say.

I would be able to handle Monday nite better if the second part played on the same nite. But NOOOO we have a wait a week to see how the ending plays out. One good thing is that ATFR is right after and we do not have to wait another week.

by BarbB222 Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:08 pm

nannymargie wrote:
Cecilia wrote:It's going to be the most dramatic ever and I can't wait! Especially for ATFR when they are happily together and all of the negative Brook haters will have absolutely nothing to say.

I would be able to handle Monday nite better if the second part played on the same nite. But NOOOO we have a wait a week to see how the ending plays out. One good thing is that ATFR is right after and we do not have to wait another week.

True and it will give TPTB more time to mess with our minds. :stirthepot

by nd4reality Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:10 pm

pander3575 wrote:
Cecilia wrote:It's going to be the most dramatic ever and I can't wait! Especially for ATFR when they are happily together and all of the negative Brook haters will have absolutely nothing to say.

Don't believe that. It doesn't stop just because they are together.

So true.

Its' Not just this season either.

by BarbB222 Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:15 pm

nd4reality wrote:
pander3575 wrote:
Cecilia wrote:It's going to be the most dramatic ever and I can't wait! Especially for ATFR when they are happily together and all of the negative Brook haters will have absolutely nothing to say.

Don't believe that. It doesn't stop just because they are together.

So true.

Its' Not just this season either.

So sad but true . Some have their doomsday clocks prepared. Don't really blame them. Not a lot of couples have survived. Even the well known Body Language expert Lillian Glass says Sean and Cat won't make it. Google and read. It's a tough world out there in RL for any relationship. Just gotta prove the critics wrong. Their life, their choice.

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