Arie Luyendyk Jr - Lauren Burnham - Bachelor 22 - Discussion #3

I guess if it was his story to tell too (imo), I can’t fault his ex’s for telling people what manipulative poo he is. JMO. 

I’ll never respect that he disregarded his ex’s feeling and pain on nationa television show for his own benefit. Just gross. All JMO

rosefever wrote:

Ladybug82 wrote:IMO, the only thing his passing an STD test shows me is maybe he was actually smart enough to use protection.  It does not mean he doesn't or hasn't slept around a lot.  JMO

HSV-1 is primarily spread through kissing and is incurable, it's highly contagious as evidenced by about half the populatiomn having it, so if the show tests for it like some sources claim it implies that Arie hasn't slept around a lot. HSV-1 is now linked to Alzheimer, so it can no longer be considered 'annoying but harmless'. All IMO of course.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simplex_virus

As for the whole miscarriage thing, people are entirely too sensitive these days, it seems like being offended is the new national hobby. JMO.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at but to be clear, HSV1 is not considered to be a sexually transmitted disease (STD). On the other hand HSV2 is, and  can only be transmitted through vaginal, anal, and oral sex. HSV2 is connected to cervical cancer in women. The only means of protecting oneself from catching it is to abstain from having sex, use protection (condom), or get vaccinated. The vaccination can be used by both males and females. In my area, parents are encouraged to have their high school aged children vaccinated against it. However, once you've acquired the herpes virus you're SOL.

As far as testing for  STD on The Bachelor/ ette  contestants goes, I'm not sure if herpes is even considered because the likelihood that the majority having already contracted the virus (although dormant) would probably eliminate a good portion of the applicants.

Lucas15 wrote:

Aria wrote:@Aunties_Love well, I do know since she told us. Twice. She also said he lied about the details of hearing about the miscarriage and when the breakup happened because of course he did.

http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/arie-luyendyk-jr-miscarriage-153224

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/emily-maynard-arie-bachelorette-dont-pick-him-ex/

Seems to me that both of these tabloid articles have based some of their content on quotes given them by Cassie - she can't be all that uncomfortable with the discussion if she's disclosed more (including her real name) than Arie has.
JMHO

I agree, obviously it didn't bother her enough to not give the paps her "version". IMO, Arie told us the viewers what happened. He didn't sell that info or anything. On the other hand, she sold her story to the paps.....which one is worse? IMO

I never applied the word, term or indicated anyone was at blame for anything. Personally, I resent that implication. 
In fact, in two of my posts I specified there is no right or wrong being assigned.
Quoting my own posts above:

Nothing at all wrong with it.

I'm not saying what she did is wrong or right.

I don't know how much more clear I could have been. 

I don't get it, only Arie is allowed to tell the viewers what happened? Why do the viewers need this information, especially when the ex didn't want this information to be publicly broadcast on national TV?! But when the ex, who's family found out through national TV about this painful experience, tells her side of things, she's selling out to the tabloids? IMHO he was dead wrong talking about the miscarriage on national tv without his ex's approval, he didn't have that approval, yet he still talked about it. He took the ex's choice away, she wanted it to not be broadcast on tv. Her talking to the press after the fact re her side of the story means nothing Imo, when Arie already had broadcast it on tv. Jmo.

stuckinsc wrote:@Kashathediva You are right. She spoke out in anger after she felt violated by Arie. She didn’t have to. But, IMO, had Arie respected her right to not have everyone know she had a miscarriage then she would not have spoken up. JMO. I know I never told my dad about my miscarriage. It would have just upset him. I doubt my ex told his parents either. So I personally don’t find that unusual.

How do we KNOW she spoke out in anger though.....I too have had miscarriages. My husband was the father and if he so choose to talk to someone about it to help him, to help the other person, or just because he felt it was the right thing to do, then why is that wrong? Just because I didn't specifically tell him yes or no on it, it is his child too. Just like this was Arie's child. IMO, Arie has just as much right talking or not talking about that baby as the mom.....ALL imo

Cocoasneeze wrote:I don't get it, only Arie is allowed to tell the viewers what happened? Why do the viewers need this information, especially when the ex didn't want this information to be publicly broadcast on national TV?! But when the ex, who's family found out through national TV about this painful experience, tells her side of things, she's selling out to the tabloids? IMHO he was dead wrong talking about the miscarriage on national tv without his ex's approval, he didn't have that approval, yet he still talked about it. He took the ex's choice away, she wanted it to not be broadcast on tv. Her talking to the press after the fact re her side of the story means nothing Imo, when Arie already had broadcast it on tv. Jmo.

I just went back 4 pages of posting and could not find this. Maybe I missed this being discussed that only Arie was allowed to talk.

Lucas15 wrote:

Aria wrote:@Aunties_Love well, I do know since she told us. Twice. She also said he lied about the details of hearing about the miscarriage and when the breakup happened because of course he did.

http://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/arie-luyendyk-jr-miscarriage-153224

https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/emily-maynard-arie-bachelorette-dont-pick-him-ex/

Seems to me that both of these tabloid articles have based some of their content on quotes given them by Cassie - she can't be all that uncomfortable with the discussion if she's disclosed more (including her real name) than Arie has.
JMHO

If I'm following this correctly, 6 years ago Arie told Emily he lived with an unnamed ex-girlfriend and her children from a previous relationship. The unnamed ex miscarried and later moved out with her children from a previous relationship while Arie was on the road racing. The convo didn't air on TV, but the unnamed girlfriend chose to identify herself and tell her side of the story - six years ago. Her choice and no judgement from me - just clarifying what happened. 

The self-identified ex then tells the story again when Arie becomes The Bachelor. Whether she did or didn't tell her family about the loss when it happened over seven years ago, it's safe to presume they've known about it since the first time she told the story to the media six years ago. Her choice, but not one that I would subject my children to not once but twice.

Aunties_Love wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:@Kashathediva You are right. She spoke out in anger after she felt violated by Arie. She didn’t have to. But, IMO, had Arie respected her right to not have everyone know she had a miscarriage then she would not have spoken up. JMO. I know I never told my dad about my miscarriage. It would have just upset him. I doubt my ex told his parents either. So I personally don’t find that unusual.

How do we KNOW she spoke out in anger though.....I too have had miscarriages.  My husband was the father and if he so choose to talk to someone about it to help him, to help the other person, or just because he felt it was the right thing to do, then why is that wrong?  Just because I didn't specifically tell him yes or no on it, it is his child too.  Just like this was Arie's child. IMO, Arie has just as much right talking or not talking about that baby as the mom.....ALL imo

Firstly, I am sorry for your loss and for anyone else who has gone through the same pain. However, your husband was not on national tv and was not specifically asked not to share his experience. Arie it seems was and despite that shared it twice. (It is irrelevant to me that it didn't make it to air the first time.)

I am not going into who is right or wrong in the matter. Personally, I wish everyone kept their private matters just that...private. In this instance Arie didn't. He started by sharing on national tv and it seems many...obviously not all...are giving him a free pass. I don't know why then, when the ex decides to share her version...which seems to significantly differ from his...in the only way she can, she is then called an attention seeker. It seems to me, that like the other women who dared criticize Arie by going to the press, she is also faulted. They can't say anything to shed light on his repeated patterns of behaviour, but he is good to go no matter what. JMO 

@FLChica RS identified her.

Again, it was not Cassie that identified herself. RS had already done that. There were already forums "sleuthing" for information about her, before she ever spoke out.

It feels like this is deja vu all over again. There is a attempt to distract from what Arie did by not-so-subtly blaming the woman. Even if you think that her speaking out after her story and name were already out there makes her the most greedy, biggest fame-wh*re out there, what does that have to do with what Arie did? And, at some point, if you think that every single woman Arie has ever been involved with is a stupid, lying, jealous, immature fame-wh*re...what does that say about Arie? IMO.

Diana wrote:I guess if it was his story to tell too (imo), I can’t fault his ex’s for telling people what manipulative poo he is. JMO. 

I’ll never respect that he disregarded his ex’s feeling and pain on nationa television show for his own benefit. Just gross. All JMO

So does that mean that he's not allowed to tell anyone without the ex's approval? Isn't it his right and privilidge to tell the story or not without having to get permission. Wasn't it his unborn baby too?? IMO, he does have the right to tell people about it if he chooses. Just like the ex talked about it herself. That was her choice, and what Arie did was his choice. All IMO