Re: Nick Viall & Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - Discussion

by LoveDovez Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:11 pm

emusha wrote:@Sprite IMHO Vanessa is one of the most emotional contestants we have ever seen on this show ...she is impulsive, driven by her feelings and dramatic. I fully see her "crazy" that Elan described. Her logic does not calm or ground herself nor Nick IMO her logic contributes to her overanalysis of every situation.

IMO She is also extremely particular - she wants and needs very specific things exactly how she wants them to be and so she is very difficult to be in a relationship with. IMO. Nick has been talking Vanessa out of her expectations and it's evident to me that he's still doing the same off the show cos of how she described that she had to come to terms with the fact that nick has been the bachelor and that he had feelings for other women.

IMO I don't think she's a realist imho she is an idealist who's having to modify expectations consistently. Nick said something about how we're having to learn ourselves - I definitely think that Vanessa is not very self-aware and being in a relationship with Nick is making her starkly aware of her behavior. IMHO she's extremely high maintenance and it will be a LOT of hard work for Nick. Sounds like he's up for the challenge so all the luck to them.

Did you not watch Jo's season????

by Kashathediva Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:12 pm

IMO the Vialls have been more than good sports in dealing with this franchise.
In all my years following this franchise and production, I have never heard glowing praise by anyone regarding production. Some families have chosen not to be involved with them. (which imo is wise).
The families that I have knowledge of all same the same thing: the HTD and MTPS take hours. Their homes are messed up and not put back together. The ITMS and convos are spliced and diced all over the place so that often what they actually meant is not conveyed and something totally different is. Families are filmed for hours and then some members are not even shown and others given more emphasis than they had the whole day. It's all the edit. Real or not.
So--giving the finger to production or whoever might be a great Thanksgiving message in my book. That's me.

by coolangel Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:15 pm

I always thought that flipping the bird pic is an inside joke in the Viall family. Sam Viall commented on Maria's pic that her pic was way better than the one he posted. laugh out loud

It was the only pic V liked yesterday when she briefly surfaced on IG for a few minutes. I think V felt part of the family that they included her in their inside joke. Smiley

JMO.

by Cocoasneeze Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:15 pm

alwaystulips wrote:Also, the middle finger just seems a juvenile response whether it's to defend against cyber bullying or be welcomed to the family. I so wouldn't like it if my future sister-in-law chose that to post as the "welcome to the family" congrats.

Mostly, I'm thinking of Vanessa's students who are likely following the Vialls and Vanessa's public SM.

Is everyone who comes in contact with Vanessa supposed to change their behaviour to possibly not offend Vanessa's adult students? Vanessa didn't post the picture. I don't think TB viewers need to look out for Vanessa's adult students. JMO

by julychild Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:16 pm

I remember that photo of the Vialls, I think it was posted 2 years ago. Did one of them repost it? If not, i don't think it should be talked about like it is a message to producers or "those who are not fans" or whatever.

by Kashathediva Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:16 pm

IMO this is another reason to keep your sm private to your close inner circle. Too many people have too many opinions that have no place in your life.
JMOAA

by Lennoxcolinrolland Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:18 pm

LoveDovez wrote:
emusha wrote:@Sprite IMHO Vanessa is one of the most emotional contestants we have ever seen on this show ...she is impulsive, driven by her feelings and dramatic. I fully see her "crazy" that Elan described. Her logic does not calm or ground herself nor Nick IMO her logic contributes to her overanalysis of every situation.

IMO She is also extremely particular - she wants and needs very specific things exactly how she wants them to be and so she is very difficult to be in a relationship with. IMO. Nick has been talking Vanessa out of her expectations and it's evident to me that he's still doing the same off the show cos of how she described that she had to come to terms with the fact that nick has been the bachelor and that he had feelings for other women.

IMO I don't think she's a realist imho she is an idealist who's having to modify expectations consistently. Nick said something about how we're having to learn ourselves - I definitely think that Vanessa is not very self-aware and being in a relationship with Nick is making her starkly aware of her behavior. IMHO she's extremely high maintenance and it will be a LOT of hard work for Nick. Sounds like he's up for the challenge so all the luck to them.

Did you not watch Jo's season????

Not to get off topic, but JoJo was no where near as emotional. Especially not on The Bachelor (because ALL the leads get emotional on their own seasons.)

IMO.

by Skates Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:18 pm

Sprite wrote:
emusha wrote:@Sprite IMHO Vanessa is one of the most emotional contestants we have ever seen on this show ...she is impulsive, driven by her feelings and dramatic. I fully see her "crazy" that Elan described. Her logic does not calm or ground herself nor Nick - her logic contributes to her overanalysis of every situation. She is also extremely particular - she wants and needs very specific things exactly how she wants them to be and so she is very difficult to be in a relationship with. Nick has been talking Vanessa out of her expectations and it's evident to me that he's still doing the same off the show cos of how she described that she had to come to terms with the fact that nick has been the bachelor and that he had feelings for other women. I don't think she's a realist imho she is an idealist who's having to modify expectations consistently.
Nick said something about how we're having to learn ourselves - I definitely think that Vanessa is not very self aware and being in a relationship with Nick is making her starkly aware of her behavior. IMHO she's extremely high maintenance and it will be a LOT of hard work for Nick. Sounds like he's up for the challenge so all the luck to them.

Actually they both said in one of the interviews I watched...sorry can't remember which since I've watched a handful...that Nick is the impulsive one and she is more of a planner. Since I don't know either of them I can't say that either of them is difficult to be in a relationship with however, they seemed just fine in all of their interviews...other than the AFTR...and I can't really fault them for that one. The whole atmosphere on the live segment of the show was a downer...before they even got there due to the way they had set up the story line and the doubting questions CH was full of before and during their visit.

It's actually amazing even RS finds the interview from CH horrendous too negative to take in... thus, he understands the intensity of the pressure the couple has to endure and has experienced during the AFTR...reactions have been from his podcast with Sharleen...regardless, it doesn't change his opinions of their relationship not working since he sees Nick as going in not for the right reasons...

- JMO -

by sdmom Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:29 pm

LoveDovez wrote:
emusha wrote:@Sprite IMHO Vanessa is one of the most emotional contestants we have ever seen on this show ...she is impulsive, driven by her feelings and dramatic. I fully see her "crazy" that Elan described. Her logic does not calm or ground herself nor Nick IMO her logic contributes to her overanalysis of every situation.

IMO She is also extremely particular - she wants and needs very specific things exactly how she wants them to be and so she is very difficult to be in a relationship with. IMO. Nick has been talking Vanessa out of her expectations and it's evident to me that he's still doing the same off the show cos of how she described that she had to come to terms with the fact that nick has been the bachelor and that he had feelings for other women.

IMO I don't think she's a realist imho she is an idealist who's having to modify expectations consistently. Nick said something about how we're having to learn ourselves - I definitely think that Vanessa is not very self-aware and being in a relationship with Nick is making her starkly aware of her behavior. IMHO she's extremely high maintenance and it will be a LOT of hard work for Nick. Sounds like he's up for the challenge so all the luck to them.

Did you not watch Jo's season????

I remaber Moanna from Travis season was asked if she cried a lot she answered only on TV.
I follow Vanessa on sm and she seems happy and silly in real life. Most of her friends commented when her bio came out that they hoped people can see how funny she is. So I guess she's crazy in a funny way, Jmo.

by alwaystulips Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:30 pm

Kashathediva wrote:
alwaystulips wrote:Also, the middle finger just seems a juvenile response whether it's to defend against cyber bullying or be welcomed to the family. I so wouldn't like it if my future sister-in-law chose that to post as the "welcome to the family" congrats.

Mostly, I'm thinking of Vanessa's students who are likely following the Vialls and Vanessa's public SM.

A) they are adults.
B) it's like any other person, some won't care. others might. It is what it is and not meant in harm, but jest.
C) it was not posted by their teacher.
D) I would imagine most of her students as well as most people who have seen the photo have used that gesture before at some time.

Sure, Vanessa didn't post it but she acknowledged and "liked" it. I just don't care for the message it leaves to students, yes adults, who look to her for inspiration. But I get it. Many people find it funny or no big deal. I'm just not one of them. Smiley

by mprssdbyu Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:33 pm

umngirl wrote:
ReneeM wrote:Middle finger pictures are so crass IMO. And I don't mind crass at all but it's also super juvenile IMO. Like I haven't taken/posted a middle finger picture since I was 15, and I cringe at all of them. It's even worse IMO when grown azz people post them. I know the Viall's took that middle finger thanksgiving picture and it wasn't cute then IMO and posting that picture of Vanessa photoshopped or not isn't cute now. All JMO.

WORD

Like grow the f up. Or if you insist on taking the picture, keep it on private social media.

JMOAA

I've seen SOOOOO many instances in so many threads (and social media) where I have had the same exact feelings. Suspect

by Cila51290 Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:41 pm

Don't know if this is the right place to post this but why does Kaitlyn sort of hate and is indifferent towards Nick? I actually never watched her season only the FRC.

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