Vanessa Grimaldi - Bachelor 21 - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #3

RS - Character assassinating bachelor contestants since 2009!  

As for the ones who leave nasty comments on other people's IG whom they dislike, calling them fans of anyone is a disgrace to the term 'fan' IMO. These people are nothing but internet trolls. Real fans won't feel the need to demonize someone on SM to make their favorite look better. All JMO.

coolangel wrote:RS - Character assassinating bachelor contestants since 2009!  

As for the ones who leave nasty comments on other people's IG whom they dislike, calling them fans of anyone is a disgrace to the term 'fan' IMO. These people are nothing but internet trolls. Real fans won't feel the need to demonize someone on SM to make their favorite look better. All JMO.

I loved the word Notarose used to describe so many trolling Vanessa's instagram regarding Danielle L. Feral...It's perfect and fits them like a glove!

jessietrey wrote:To me Danielle's fans are the one's trying to add fuel to the fire. They're going to Vanessa's social media pages and saying whatever they can come up with about Vanessa to make her look like a villain and make Danielle look like a perfect angel. Some of the stuff I've read is ridiculous. I have not seen Vanessa fans going on Danielle's social media spewing hate. It seems to be all Danielle fans and I'm sure it will only be worse after The Women Tell All in my opinion. If Danielle and Rachel are both coming for Vanessa and Nick he better be completely on his game that night. Because who knows what will be said by all the girls who were not in her friend group on the show. Nick is going to need to send a strong message about his decisions (without revealing that Vanessa is his F1).

It's crazy but I have been concerned about WTA for several weeks. As much as I like Vanessa and Rachel, I am a Nick fan first and foremost. I spend most of my time in Vanessa's thread simply because she is F1 (unless Nick has completely snowed me). I completely understand his decision but that has nothing to do with liking Rachel less.

Back to my point, I'm wondering which Danielle and Rachel will show up at WTA.

Danielle L- the one who was so hurt by his decison or the one who gets it now (hopefully)
Rachel- the very cool classy chick on the show or the one who puts on her lawyer hat when she steps into the courtroom

I so hope its not total chaos with a bunch of women mad at Nick. His communication skills are outstanding. IMO, there is no way he left them in the dark wondering why.

Back to Vanessa...I'm so ready to see just a little of the reason he still wears that yellow bracelet!

coolangel wrote:I think Vanessa normally doesn't like so many comments. The musical performance photo is probably the only one where she has liked almost every other comment IMO. I hope she refrains from the excessive likes.

Having said that, I saw nothing wrong with her liking pacozero's comment on one of her pics. I felt she was defending herself in a way and also acknowledging his defense of her. Things did get bad with the SM comments esp. after Danielle's following tweet. If someone fans the flames, I think Vanessa is within her rights to defend herself whichever way she sees fit. All JMO.

@Dontbehayden_ I don't think I'm at liberty to say

— Danielle Lombard (@danielleIombard) February 10, 2017

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I don't really see this as fanning any flames. She basically just said "no further comment" to a question asked of her based on what the tweeter saw in her ET interview. She did not mention Vanessa at all. IMO she had every right to state that there were people questioning her intentions if in fact they were. Isn't that being "real"? Or should she have not said anything at all? But yeah then IMO she might then be accused of "only saying what others want to hear."

Cila51290 wrote:I'm over Danielle L being butthurt over Nick eliminating her. Nick is the type to not care about what other people say about someone he's interested in. It's his views of that person over yours. He let Danielle L go because he wasn't feeling her not because Vanessa said so or anyone else for that matter. JMO

I never saw any indication of Danielle blaming anyone else for her elimination (if there's evidence of this, please point me in that direction). SM fans are the ones doing that. She brought up the intentions thing as more of a general house drama talk - not as the reason she was sent home.

@TheWrongReasons Yup. I don't see how Danielle is the bad guy here. Danielle responded to a comment where she named no one and didn't make any implications about anyone specifically, Vanessa on the other hand liked a comment/post mentioning how bored Nick apparently was with Danielle. I find it rude, and really not her place to say, and if Nick were to say it I'd also find it rude and unnecessary. I understand Vanessa's frustrations with the fans, but the fans aren't Danielle and unless I'm mistaken danielle hasn't liked any negative comments about Vanessa, or made any negative comments herself.

I know it's an unpopular opinion but Vanessa strikes me as a bit of a Regina George in sheep's clothing.

@ReneeM ITA with your whole post - especially the final point.
But really, this is Nick we're talking about here so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise his alleged F1 isn't exactly Miss Congeniality (IMO).

Vanessa didn't like a comment saying Nick was bored with Danielle. She liked a comment that mentioned fans attacking her based on RS's spoiler (which is true) and the person's opinion in watching the episode that Nick looked bored.

As Pacozero said when some were coming at him for insulting Danielle - how did he insult her by merely saying that's how he interpreted Nick's expression in the episode. He didn't call her boring, just said Nick looked bored to him. Hell, I thought the same thing. That whole scene was painful for me to watch.

I don't think Vanessa's like of the comment was really about Nick's being bored part but more that Nick's dumping Danielle was his decision and for his reasons and nothing to do with her and that yes, people have been attacking her in comments for this frankly, at this point, baseless rumor. IMO of course.

eta: And you know what, I'm going to say that while it seems easy to find things to pick on about Vanessa's character based on some rumors, I don't think others are so saintly either. I don't buy Danielle was that innocent with that comment. Speaking of Regina George, IMO that was the equivalent of when she threw up the Burn Book pages and just let the chaos happen.

In other words, I don't think for one second that Danielle isn't well aware of RS's rumor/spoiler that Vanessa told Nick and the other women she was fake. So in other words, when she goes into interviews talking about someone said stuff about her, that's pretty much confirming that, just without saying the name. I don't buy that she wasn't well aware that most would jump all over it likely being Vanessa and see her comment as confirmation, without actually confirming it.

Just to be very clear, I don't think any of these women are bad people and I don't think any of them are perfect. And I'm sure most said something about one or two at some point during this whole process. Hell the episode showed, out of their own mouths, Whitney and Danielle M. saying something to the effect of Danielle not being right for Nick and ready for a relationship. But as someone noted above, Vanessa's the only one that's been latched onto as the viper and awful, evil snake in the house just because RS said so. Oh and of course the women left in the house sided with Rachel in an argument that supposedly happened between them.

@lleyki please note the last sentence in the caption of the last picture below

coolangel wrote:

@Dontbehayden_ I don't think I'm at liberty to say

— Danielle Lombard (@danielleIombard) February 10, 2017

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@ReneeM @TheWrongReasons I don't know if V has any Regina-like behavior but I definitely agree after seeing clues that there's a chance she's not just a family-loving, sweet special ed teacher, smarts, beauty, rainbows and food loving like her social media might suggest.

TheWrongReasons wrote:

coolangel wrote:I think Vanessa normally doesn't like so many comments. The musical performance photo is probably the only one where she has liked almost every other comment IMO. I hope she refrains from the excessive likes.

Having said that, I saw nothing wrong with her liking pacozero's comment on one of her pics. I felt she was defending herself in a way and also acknowledging his defense of her. Things did get bad with the SM comments esp. after Danielle's following tweet. If someone fans the flames, I think Vanessa is within her rights to defend herself whichever way she sees fit. All JMO.

@Dontbehayden_ I don't think I'm at liberty to say

— Danielle Lombard (@danielleIombard) February 10, 2017

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I don't really see this as fanning any flames. She basically just said "no further comment" to a question asked of her based on what the tweeter saw in her ET interview. She did not mention Vanessa at all. IMO she had every right to state that there were people questioning her intentions if in fact they were. Isn't that being "real"? Or should she have not said anything at all? But yeah then IMO she might then be accused of "only saying what others want to hear."

I like DLo and continue to defend her intentions coz no one really knows what went down or if something was misinterpreted ala Ashley-Caila BIP situation IMO. But I do think she was fanning the flames by that response IMO. IMO When she can't give an answer as to who it was, why bother responding. She is going to get an official platform to talk about her side of things in less than 2 weeks. She can be as real as she wants on the WTA. If it gets edited out, she can still say what happened. Plenty of women have done it in the past after WTA. Why feed trolls a 'non-response' in the meantime (IMO). It's a given most people are going to assume it's Vanessa thanks to RS even though Whitney was on record saying that she doesn't think DLo was ready for a relationship and that she can't believe she is going home on a 2-1 with DLo. IMO Whitney made it sound like being sent home compared to DLo was the worst thing that could happen. Yet there is not a single negative reaction towards Whitney - again thanks to RS. My anger is towards RS and the trolls in this scenario but DLo definitely didn't help with her non-response IMO.

All JMO.

@lleyki, Just read your post! IA!

I don't find any of these women saintly, everyone has faults, including Vanessa IMO. I haven't seen any altercations with Vanessa and anyone in the house thus far, and because I didn't see it, I can't make a decision whether she was justified or not, so I've chosen to disregard what RS said about her. We're all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. Some might question Danielle's intentions with her reply but the fact is, her post said nothing about Vanessa, nor was it implied. Some might think Vanessa was just liking the part that was complimentary about herself, but the fact is there was also a section where the poster mentioned how bored they thought Nick was with Danielle, and Vanessa liked the post. On IG there's no tool that enables you to like parts of a post, you can only like the whole thing as one. In my experience on IG, if there's a comment where I agree with some parts but not others, I simply don't like it. There are so many complimentary comments about her in that post, many of them tagged her, she was in the comment section speaking about what brand bra she was wearing so it's not like she didn't see any of them, the only other comment she liked in that post was someone correctly guessing the brand. So out of all the comments complimenting her, she CHOSE the one that insulted Danielle (and if there's a question if it's insulting, the same guy later in the post said he should have phrased it better so he didn't insult Danielle).

ReneeM wrote:I don't find any of these women saintly, everyone has faults, including Vanessa IMO. I haven't seen any altercations with Vanessa and anyone in the house thus far, and because I didn't see it, I can't make a decision whether she was justified or not, so I've chosen to disregard what RS said about her. We're all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. Some might question Danielle's intentions with her reply but the fact is, her post said nothing about Vanessa, nor was it implied. Some might think Vanessa was just liking the part that was complimentary about herself, but the fact is there was also a section where the poster mentioned how bored they thought Nick was with Danielle, and Vanessa liked the post. On IG there's no tool that enables you to like parts of a post, you can only like the whole thing as one. In my experience on IG, if there's a comment where I agree with some parts but not others, I simply don't like it. There are so many complimentary comments about her in that post, many of them tagged her, she was in the comment section speaking about what brand bra she was wearing so it's not like she didn't see any of them, the only other comment she liked in that post was someone correctly guessing the brand. So out of all the comments complimenting her, she CHOSE the one that insulted Danielle (and if there's a question if it's insulting, the same guy later in the post said he should have phrased it better so he didn't insult Danielle).

@ReneeM

@coolangel - I was going to respond with why I disagree but I think ReneeM said it better than I could so I'll just quote her above, especially the bolded

@emusha a random note - I must say "sweet" never came to mind for me re. Vanessa ... even with her IG stuff Which is fine. She's just not my cup of tea and I'm a little disappointed I can't finally fangirl the heck out of a Nick pairing but that's my problem

Curious as to how someone rejected in week 7 has come to play such a large role. He found her sexy.  They danced on stage twice.  They had some conversations.  He didn't want to give her any more roses so he ended it.
Personally I like things about each of the girls that went to St. Thomas, and I'll add Alexis who didn't to my list as well, but this show is about Nick finding out if there is a woman who he can find mutual love with so for me I expect 29 women to exit because otherwise he will be alone again.

We know as fact, Nick chose to keep 6 women he wanted in order to get to know them better for another week. 4 of those women he preferred enough to want to meet their families. It's possible that he even fell in love with one of those women. That woman could be Vanessa. We are vicariously following, as Nick referred to it in an interview, the "documentary" of his experience.

 Nick, the guy almost none of his fellow cast liked on A's season.  Nick, who was the center of arguments with some guy the night Eric was let go, with Cody on a GD, with Josh-Chris-Brian-Marcus before hometown dates.  Gee, there's probably more but you get my drift.  Nick, who blasted Josh in the infamous leaked plane vid.  Moving along to the next season: Nick who had words in K's season with a different Josh, 2 tense convos with Shawn, and Nick who even told K during his FS that Shawn was a guy with a history of ...now what exactly was the term for 2 guys sharing a girl?
Using Nick himself as a measure for comparison, I find it a challenge to come up with a known indiscretion on Vanessa's part toward any of her fellow cast that could rival what Nick is known to have actually done in the past. No one can catch up to Nick  
JMO

OH, and to be clear, I've always been in Nick's corner because for me single acts do not override the totality of a man or woman.