Nick Viall - Bachelor 21 - Episode 2 Jan 9th - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

How the heck does RS know how many people the lead slept with? I can't imagine all the leads running to RS with proof of them doing the deed. The only proof we have is Liz and Nick admitting it themselves. If we're going to assume, then lets say IMO so and so slept with, other than that there is no proof.

I'm sure he's not the first contestant to have sex.

IMO RS is such a slime ball and IMO loves blabbing sexual information for his own entertainment.

GuardianAngel wrote:How the heck does RS know how many people the lead slept with? I can't imagine all the leads running to RS with proof of them doing the deed. The only proof we have is Liz and Nick admitting it themselves. If we're going to assume, then lets say IMO so and so slept with, other than that there is no proof.

I'm sure he's not the first contestant to have sex.

IMO RS is such a slime ball and IMO loves blabbing sexual information for his own entertainment.

He probably wishes he got as much action as what he makes about the leads

Wasn't there a preview that it seems like that Corinne "snuck" to his room and of course the lovely sounds that happen. So i'm going to guess Corinne is one that he slept with

@mizzoufan RS said he didn't. Let's wait and see.

mizzoufan wrote:Wasn't there a preview that it seems like that Corinne "snuck" to his room and of course the lovely sounds that happen. So i'm going to guess Corinne  is one that he slept with

There was an interview with one of the executive producers (Fleiss or Mills, can't remember which) where he said that Nick did not have sex with anyone before the FS this time. He made a number of jokes about Nick "keeping it in his pants" and learning his lesson. Wish I could find the link to the interview.. it was a good one.

sdmom wrote:If RS is true, I take comfort in the following things:
Corinne didn't get 1-1 but just a 2-1 date.
Nick didn't have sex with her but sent her back when she sneaked into his hotel room.
She was sent home at f4 and we have proof of this (she was photographed with friends when it's still filming), so Nick didn't need to spend a night with her.
Theses things tell me Nick uses his big head to make important decisions. IMO.

Exactly! I have no doubt Corinne is there to fulfill the villain quota and honestly as crazy as she is I am not bothered by her antics because even without spoilers or sleuthing I have zero doubt that Nick wouldn't go there with her nor would he choose her. He may be a lot of things but he's not stupid, IMO. It's all there just for the show and to get the tweeters tweeting and viewers' talking. Job done.

sdmom wrote:@mizzoufan RS said he didn't. Let's wait and see.

Okay. I appreciate all of you that read RS and report it here. I can't stand the man and reading anything he writes makes me ill.

I don't get it. Is it the 'producers' or is Nick lying?

I believe RS spoiler on Corrine or any other contestant - that nothing happened using the following logic (my speculation). Nick is very aware that the show (producers) create the environment for a story to happen, it is up to the characters to make it happen. Nick said this in the Afterbuzz TV before he was announced as TB.  

So obviously he knew why Liz was there, why Corrine went to his room, etc. He was also well aware about this in the Janet Jackson scene (we don't know what happened before or after that made it ok to the other ladies).  So when he says, "this is not a good idea" voiced over the cottage in  Bimini that voice track may be from something else (could have been from that Janet Jackson scene that they spliced out) that producers strategically added to the exterior shot of the room to make us believe he is a sleazy guy.  I agree with others, it is the story line TPTB have created for him, we'll see how that pans out - for Nick or TPTB.

atem wrote:I don't get it.  Is it the 'producers' or is Nick lying?

We need to see the epi IMO because previews are just a jumble of snippets. The purpose is to get people excited to watch.
Ex: "the slap" which some viewers thought would be a real confrontation until they watched epi 2

I ended up reading here first then watched the show...interesting how I had a somewhat different take on the evening... I actually found Corrine ridiculous and funny - almost like a cartoon character. The Liz spots were so cringe worthy. Although I do not believe that Liz was there for "fame" or just to be on TV. I think that she actually liked Nick but was so out of place and didn't know how to act or what to say to him. I thought that how Nick dealt with the situation was appropriate and mature. Also I felt Liz took the "breakup" very well.

Based on the spoilers we know that Corrine doesn't get coveted 1-on-1 time - he saved those for the women that come across as mature, level headed and ready for marriage, the Rachels, Vanessas, Ravens and Danielles M of the world. Those four are the ones who get the two 1-on-1s (Raven with the last GDR which may have extra time?) To be honest if I were to pick four ladies based on what we have seen so far - those would be the four.

What I find interesting this season is how Nick's arch as the lead is going. In most seasons early on the lead is seen as the "coveted" prize, someone who can do no wrong - at least until mid-way through the season or at the end - i.e. Ben loving two women, JP with his treatment of Andi/Claire, Jake picking Vienna, Ben picking Courtney. In each of those season's the bachelor was the prize at the beginning and did not get the outlash or negative arch until near the end, with some unable to ever redeem themselves (i.e. Ben F and JP)

This season is very different in that Nick started off as less than perfect, not being the Luke a lot were expecting, as some of the girls stated "better than they originally thought". Now his intentions are being questions with the Corinne and Liz situation, this is happening episode 2!

- Episode 1 - Nick seen as the unknown - will he be the guy everyone says he is
- Episode 2 - Nick being questioned for Corinne his attraction to her etc.
- Episode 3 - Nick being questioned about Liz and for being there to "eff" around
- F6 - He denies Corinne of pre-FS sex
- F4 - He gets rid of Corinne and is left with three well liked contestants who everyone will cheer for being left and saying FINALLY NICk
- Finale - He picks an age appropriate, special needs teacher who constantly challenged him to be a better version of himself and to take this seriously

Based on this I believe his arch will be unlike other bachelors in that he will have the low points much earlier in the season - with much of the positive momentum picking up at F6/F4, as he denies Corinne pre-FS and by eliminating her F4. Also by keeping her around till F4 the other ladies I suspect will be largely unscathed avoiding a negative edit that they might have gotten otherwise without the Corrines of the world there. As part of this edit Vanessa his eventual F1 will play the role of personally challenging him and letting him be the "best version of himself" based on the previews (i.e. with her saying "are you looking for a wife or someone to eff around with" and "I am sick of the decisions he is making". He ended up with a great F3 that everyone will be so happy and excited for - the end being more about them choosing him vs. him choosing them.

@sbolduc good posting! I also see the same story arc with Nick and posted up-thread that it makes sense to me that it would be this way -- where Nick has more doubt about him in the beginning than the end (his spoiled F3 and F2 are all solid choices from what has been sleuthed so far).

It's because of this that I think Nick's storyline will be autobiographical to his journey on this franchise with 4 parts to it just like the number of seasons he has been on and ultimately the 4th and final part is that Nick will fulfill his slogan that 4th time really is the charm.