Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #2

I will say that he did get more physically attractive IMO over the past couple of years. It seems like he finally found out a beard can do wonders for a guy.

I would never want to see the lead get turned down by the F1. As silly and scripted that this show is, that would really be horrible for the lead IMO, especially post show when it's suppose to be a happy time doing media rounds, there they are alone.

Imagine the last couple of leads, being turned down by their F1? That's not something I want to invest a whole season in IMHO.

I would have a hard time seeing that happen. I don't see how that would benefit TPTB. And in the long run, that's what it's all about.

Nick sure does invoke some strong emotions in people. I can understand being disillusioned by him if you liked the private software salesman, but I still don't see what he's done to deserve being dumped at the podium. He's harmless at worst IMO.

BTW, speaking of Andi, I think Nick went through a little obsessive phase after the season, which might be why he's so understanding of Ashley and her Jared obsession. He obviously learned his lesson though since he got over Kaitlyn pretty fast and gracefully.

Eh, to each there own. Most don't get upset for the F2 who has a proposal rejected or the woman who thought she would be proposed to. IMO the lead is no more special or deserving than the F2. He would have just dumped a woman who claimed to love, whose family he met, who he may have had sex with (likely after she had said ILY) and who had met his family. The dumped F2 is part of the show, why is the lead any different.

While I have grown to dislike Nick, I have wished this for both MeAndi and farmer, so perhaps I am a horrible person, but seeing a new and different ending over a fake engagement to date would not bother me.

All JMO.

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I'm looking forward to this season alot for some reason I think Nicks gonna be fun despite everything and totally make it worth the watch. Hes lookin pretty fine too so theres always THAT  

Admittedly I've liked the idea of a lead getting dumped at FRC in the past. It's different and it hasn't happened yet. Some of our illustrious former leads should have had it coming.

I just truly don't want to see this for Nick. We've already seen him dumped and humiliated twice. To see it again, this time as the lead when the odds are stacked high in your favor, not to mention he'd be the first.... Just no thanks. To me it would be like laughing at the poor kid being beat up by the bullies on the playground. I just would not get any entertainment out of seeing Nick strike or again.

Nick is sort of like our little Bachelor Rudy. The little, unassuming, non conventional guy. The guy who wasn't even supposed to be cast to begin with. The guy who got dumped. The guy who came back and got dumped again. The guy who picked himself up and kept trying, and trying, and trying and now holy crap, his hard work paid off and he's done it! He made it to the big leagues. I want our Rudy to get some redemption. That would be a far more entertaining and satisfying storyline and final bow for Nick for me. JMO.

stuckinsc wrote:Eh, to each there own. Most don't get upset for the F2 who has a proposal rejected or the woman who thought she would be proposed to. IMO the lead is no more special or deserving than the F2. He would have just dumped a woman who claimed to love, whose family he met, who he may have had sex with (likely after she had said ILY) and who had met his family. The dumped F2 is part of the show, why is the lead any different.

While I have grown to dislike Nick, I have wished this for both MeAndi and farmer, so perhaps I am a horrible person, but seeing a new and different ending over a fake engagement to date would not bother me.

All JMO.

Nick has been that heartbroken F2 twice though, so if anyone's paid his dues in that regard it's him. It's just the name of the game unfortunately. We don't yet know how he'll handle it though. Maybe he'll impress us all.

mindless wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:Eh, to each there own. Most don't get upset for the F2 who has a proposal rejected or the woman who thought she would be proposed to. IMO the lead is no more special or deserving than the F2. He would have just dumped a woman who claimed to love, whose family he met, who he may have had sex with (likely after she had said ILY) and who had met his family. The dumped F2 is part of the show, why is the lead any different.

While I have grown to dislike Nick, I have wished this for both MeAndi and farmer, so perhaps I am a horrible person, but seeing a new and different ending over a fake engagement to date would not bother me.

All JMO.

Nick has been that heartbroken F2 twice though, so if anyone's paid his dues in that regard it's him. It's just the name of the game unfortunately. We don't yet know how he'll handle it though. Maybe he'll impress us all.

Anything is possible. I admit I tend to judge people by those they hang out with, farmer and Ashley I don't impress me. I am also not impressed with professional reality stars and that is what Nick is now. He better than anyone else should know TPTB care about ratings more than people. The last three couples are currently going strong, so TPTB will decide if two time broken hearted finds love is better or dumped by F1 for the first time ever will generate more buzz for the show. How the breakup with Jen happens could effect this, if he is the one who chooses to let her go, then poor dumped Nick won't really exist anymore. He will be just another guy who dumped someone else, probably why they announced him a week early to soften the blow of Nick as dumper, of course that is my wild speculation. All JMO.

stuckinsc wrote:Eh, to each there own. Most don't get upset for the F2 who has a proposal rejected or the woman who thought she would be proposed to. IMO the lead is no more special or deserving than the F2. He would have just dumped a woman who claimed to love, whose family he met, who he may have had sex with (likely after she had said ILY) and who had met his family. The dumped F2 is part of the show, why is the lead any different.

While I have grown to dislike Nick, I have wished this for both MeAndi and farmer, so perhaps I am a horrible person, but seeing a new and different ending over a fake engagement to date would not bother me.

All JMO.

The lead is different in terms of the show and from the prospective of TPTB because the lead is the draw of the show. The lead is the hook for the ratings. imo
TPTB can bring in a bang up cast (from their POV, not necessarily ours). They can have a bang up storyline. They can have bang up dates and locales. None of that is going to carry a season without a decent lead. If the lead can't carry viewership and ratings there are major problems. imo
So imo, it's not creating a successful romance, it's creating successful ratings and something to keep the audience interested in coming back for the next season.

sosleepy wrote: I just think he makes good TV. He entertains me. And I have a real life connection to him and know through people I know and trust first hand that he's a good guy. I'm so excited for his season! Far more excited to see how he finishes his lengthy franchise arch than I was for snoozer Luke or Chase. Admittedly I like the on-going soap opera nature of this show, and don't mind the recycling or repeat contestants. It's for my entertainment, that's all. Not like I'm personally "doing life" with any of these people.

Regarding the bolded: thank you for sharing this. I also believe Nick to be a good guy and I'm looking forward to watching Nick's season and hopefully seeing Nick find his person.

Kashathediva wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:Eh, to each there own. Most don't get upset for the F2 who has a proposal rejected or the woman who thought she would be proposed to. IMO the lead is no more special or deserving than the F2. He would have just dumped a woman who claimed to love, whose family he met, who he may have had sex with (likely after she had said ILY) and who had met his family. The dumped F2 is part of the show, why is the lead any different.

While I have grown to dislike Nick, I have wished this for both MeAndi and farmer, so perhaps I am a horrible person, but seeing a new and different ending over a fake engagement to date would not bother me.

All JMO.

The lead is different in terms of the show and from the prospective of TPTB because the lead is the draw of the show. The lead is the hook for the ratings. imo
TPTB can bring in a bang up cast (from their POV, not necessarily ours). They can have a bang up storyline. They can have bang up dates and locales. None of that is going to carry a season without a decent lead. If the lead can't carry viewership and ratings there are major problems. imo
So imo, it's not creating a successful romance, it's creating successful ratings and something to keep the audience interested in coming back the following season.

Agreed, but the never happened before excites them too. They loved Brooks leaving Des, it turned out to be one of their best love stories, but they loved the train wreck of broken hearted Des. I can totally picture a destroyed Nick media tour and redemptive appearance on DWTS including showmance with his partner. Then the beautiful, amazing F2, who would have given him her all gets her chance and 're-establishes our faith in love.

Anything is possible and nothing would surprise me with TPTB. Added bonus, unlike most dumped leads that might needed to worry about playing along, they know Nick like DeAnna would do the media and play it for all he can get.

This is my opinion and wild speculation, but honestly three happy couples in a row, plus Tanner and Jade, I could see them switching it up. JMO.