Bachelor 21 - Nick Viall - General Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #2

Based on the previews where Nick is crying at FRC for BIP I think he is going to have a really, really tough time hurting anyone as a lead.

If anyone knows what it feels like to be F2 and hurt it is Nick. It is also why I think he will make a great lead because he gets it and has been there himself and can put himself in the shoes of any woman that will be on his season and likely be empathetic because of this, imo.

Nick has his flaws to be sure but I do believe he is a genuine guy and has empathy and doesn't want to hurt someone. I hope he finds someone who is just as genuine and caring as him.

Ash2214 wrote:It would be quite poetic if Nick's F2 girl gets caught trashing his new fiancé on video and then the F2 girl asks him to speak and meet with him on more than one occasion and then writes a long letter asking for a second chance knowing he's happily engaged to someone else. I'd be curious to see how nick would handle that knowing how it would affect his new fiancé that already has to deal with watching the show.

I'll always respect Robby for going to Jordan, not JoJo, to speak about what happened on the show. JMO

Ignoring the part about Andi being "happily" engaged to Josh ... However he handles this hypothetical circumstance, hopefully he handles it better than Andi did. Because she messed up in regards to her transparency with both her F2 left, right and center, all around. Robby and Jordan were friends, by the way. Much easier for Robby to go to Jordan than Nick to go to Josh Murray or Shawn, for that matter. Heck, back in the day Arie went to Emily, even though he was buds with Jef. It's not like what Nick did was revolutionary. He just wanted closure. Andi failed to do that multiple times, and then was absolutely heinus towards him on live tv. She had it coming. I don't foresee Nick treating any woman he dumps in such a callous way. That would shock me.

AllAboutLove wrote:Based on the previews where Nick is crying at FRC for BIP I think he is going to have a really, really tough time hurting anyone as a lead.

If anyone knows what it feels like to be F2 and hurt it is Nick. It is also why I think he will make a great lead because he gets it and has been there himself and can put himself in the shoes of any woman that will be on his season and likely be empathetic because of this, imo.

Nick has his flaws to be sure but I do believe he is a genuine guy and has empathy and doesn't want to hurt someone. I hope he finds someone who is just as genuine and caring as him.

They are probably crocodile tears. Assley must have showed him how.

sosleepy wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:It would be quite poetic if Nick's F2 girl gets caught trashing his new fiancé on video and then the F2 girl asks him to speak and meet with him on more than one occasion and then writes a long letter asking for a second chance knowing he's happily engaged to someone else. I'd be curious to see how nick would handle that knowing how it would affect his new fiancé that already has to deal with watching the show.

I'll always respect Robby for going to Jordan, not JoJo, to speak about what happened on the show. JMO

Ignoring the part about Andi being "happily" engaged to Josh ... However he handles this hypothetical circumstance, hopefully he handles it better than Andi did. Because she messed up in regards to her transparency with both her F2 left, right and center, all around. Robby and Jordan were friends, by the way. Much easier for Robby to go to Jordan than Nick to go to Josh Murray or Shawn, for that matter. Heck, back in the day Arie went to Emily, even though he was buds with Jef. It's not like what Nick did was revolutionary. He just wanted closure. Andi failed to do that multiple times, and then was absolutely heinus towards him on live tv. She had it coming. I don't foresee Nick treating any woman he dumps in such a callous way. That would shock me.

Per Andi, the first couple of months engaged to Josh were pure bliss, probably because he didn't know she slept with Nick since she lied to him.

Regardless, most F2's have enough respect for the lead and the final person to move forward. There have been plenty of F2's that have been put through the ringer far worse than Nick and they let it go. It's respectful. Chris Harrison flat out told Nick on video that Andi was happily engaged to Josh and he didn't care. He still wrote her that letter asking for another chance. Also, per Arie, Jef and Emily, when Arie did that, he didn't know Emily ended up with Jef. RS didn't have the spoilers out yet. Nick knew she was with Josh.

I hope that whoever is Nick's F2 she's respectful enough to respect Nick and his new fiancé and not put them in that difficult position. JMO

seton wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:Based on the previews where Nick is crying at FRC for BIP I think he is going to have a really, really tough time hurting anyone as a lead.

If anyone knows what it feels like to be F2 and hurt it is Nick. It is also why I think he will make a great lead because he gets it and has been there himself and can put himself in the shoes of any woman that will be on his season and likely be empathetic because of this, imo.

Nick has his flaws to be sure but I do believe he is a genuine guy and has empathy and doesn't want to hurt someone. I hope he finds someone who is just as genuine and caring as him.

They are probably crocodile tears. Assley must have showed him how.

I disagree. I think anyone that has been in a situation where they have been hurt and F2 like Nick has would feel empathy being on the other side which is what I see with Nick.

Ash2214 wrote:

sosleepy wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:It would be quite poetic if Nick's F2 girl gets caught trashing his new fiancé on video and then the F2 girl asks him to speak and meet with him on more than one occasion and then writes a long letter asking for a second chance knowing he's happily engaged to someone else. I'd be curious to see how nick would handle that knowing how it would affect his new fiancé that already has to deal with watching the show.

I'll always respect Robby for going to Jordan, not JoJo, to speak about what happened on the show. JMO

Ignoring the part about Andi being "happily" engaged to Josh ... However he handles this hypothetical circumstance, hopefully he handles it better than Andi did. Because she messed up in regards to her transparency with both her F2 left, right and center, all around. Robby and Jordan were friends, by the way. Much easier for Robby to go to Jordan than Nick to go to Josh Murray or Shawn, for that matter. Heck, back in the day Arie went to Emily, even though he was buds with Jef. It's not like what Nick did was revolutionary. He just wanted closure. Andi failed to do that multiple times, and then was absolutely heinus towards him on live tv. She had it coming. I don't foresee Nick treating any woman he dumps in such a callous way. That would shock me.

Per Andi, the first couple of months engaged to Josh were pure bliss, probably because he didn't know she slept with Nick since she lied to him.

Regardless, most F2's have enough respect for the lead and the final person to move forward. There have been plenty of F2's that have been put through the ringer far worse than Nick and they let it go. It's respectful. Chris Harrison flat out told Nick on video that Andi was happily engaged to Josh and he didn't care. He still wrote her that letter asking for another chance. Also, per Arie, Jef and Emily, when Arie did that, he didn't know Emily ended up with Jef. RS didn't have the spoilers out yet. Nick knew she was with Josh.

I hope that whoever is Nick's F2 she's respectful enough to respect Nick and his new fiancé and not put them in that difficult position. JMO

No doubt Nick crossed a line and had some boundary issues regarding Andi post-filming. Perhaps if either she OR Josh had been a little more empathetic and kind towards him, Josh during filming, Andi during airing, he wouldn't have gone there. Regardless, two wrongs don't make a right. Andi could have been upfront with Josh about what was going on with Nick. She could have taken one single phone call and told Nick how it was. She didn't. And then she was cold and malicious to him on live tv.

AllAboutLove wrote:

seton wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:Based on the previews where Nick is crying at FRC for BIP I think he is going to have a really, really tough time hurting anyone as a lead.

If anyone knows what it feels like to be F2 and hurt it is Nick. It is also why I think he will make a great lead because he gets it and has been there himself and can put himself in the shoes of any woman that will be on his season and likely be empathetic because of this, imo.

Nick has his flaws to be sure but I do believe he is a genuine guy and has empathy and doesn't want to hurt someone. I hope he finds someone who is just as genuine and caring as him.

They are probably crocodile tears. Assley must have showed him how.

I disagree. I think anyone that has been in a situation where they have been hurt and F2 like Nick has would feel empathy being on the other side which is what I see with Nick.

Well, we'll know soon enough just how fake those croc tears are. Shrug.

Here is my take. Nick is nervous because he knows exactly what he is getting into. He got his real "dream job" being the Bachelor...now he has to live up to the expectations. I totally believe Nick is going to be a willing puppet to his storyline. I don't believe Nick will find his wife because I don't believe he is even ready or wanting that. Nick being  almost 36 and headed to 40 is not a problem in the relationship sector but IMO it is a big factor to any woman that has goals that include financial stability and a grounded vs vapid lifestyle.  Or a woman that values a home, car or nice dinners out that don't entail pizza. The type of woman Nick wants may not be the type of woman that wants him back. Especially in LA where $$$$$ is coveted by most. The women who will be into Nick are those who want to chase Fame with him...and don't mind the freebee lifestyle. Nick got the gig according to Millsy because he is so different than Ben. Liberal vs Conservative. If Nick does not bring the edge and the sex to his season...I think the bus will be running over him big time. TPTB want salaciousness...unedited, unfiltered Nick style.

Regarding BIP and Nicks redemption edit.... TPTB totally could have flipped the edit on Nick and made his comments look like a sneaky and jealous neighborhood gossip. TPTB chose to make Nick the "voice of reason" because that was his role. It was IMO calculated by production.

I have watched Nick way more than I should have since Andi's and Kaitlyn's season and particularly this past year. IMO Nick has changed exponentially since moving to LA. And not in a good or more mature way. Quite the opposite IMO.

as always JMO.

sosleepy wrote:

Ash2214 wrote:

sosleepy wrote:

Ignoring the part about Andi being "happily" engaged to Josh ... However he handles this hypothetical circumstance, hopefully he handles it better than Andi did. Because she messed up in regards to her transparency with both her F2 left, right and center, all around. Robby and Jordan were friends, by the way. Much easier for Robby to go to Jordan than Nick to go to Josh Murray or Shawn, for that matter. Heck, back in the day Arie went to Emily, even though he was buds with Jef. It's not like what Nick did was revolutionary. He just wanted closure. Andi failed to do that multiple times, and then was absolutely heinus towards him on live tv. She had it coming. I don't foresee Nick treating any woman he dumps in such a callous way. That would shock me.

Per Andi, the first couple of months engaged to Josh were pure bliss, probably because he didn't know she slept with Nick since she lied to him.

Regardless, most F2's have enough respect for the lead and the final person to move forward. There have been plenty of F2's that have been put through the ringer far worse than Nick and they let it go. It's respectful. Chris Harrison flat out told Nick on video that Andi was happily engaged to Josh and he didn't care. He still wrote her that letter asking for another chance. Also, per Arie, Jef and Emily, when Arie did that, he didn't know Emily ended up with Jef. RS didn't have the spoilers out yet. Nick knew she was with Josh.

I hope that whoever is Nick's F2 she's respectful enough to respect Nick and his new fiancé and not put them in that difficult position. JMO

No doubt Nick crossed a line and had some boundary issues regarding Andi post-filming. Perhaps if either she OR Josh had been a little more empathetic and kind towards him, Josh during filming, Andi during airing, he wouldn't have gone there. Regardless, two wrongs don't make a right. Andi could have been upfront with Josh about what was going on with Nick. She could have taken one single phone call and told Nick how it was. She didn't. And then she was cold and malicious to him on live tv.  

My main issue was that Nick made it very, very clear that reaching out to Andi had to do with wanting a second chance. That alone makes me understand why Andi acted the way she did. Heck, Nick wanted to fly out to Mexico to meet with Andi while she was down there on a safe house visit with Josh

He crossed too many boundaries. Perhaps Andi could have been a little softer and not an ice queen, but I get it. I don't know how I would handle that situation. It must be difficult, which is why hopefully Nick's F2 doesn't do the same thing to him as he did on his first season of this show. JMO

Nick is the same guy to me overall and no different than when I first saw him on Andi's season. I never saw him any different back then from who he is today and if anything, I see him as even more multi-dimensional.

Alright... I'm gonna bow out for a bit. It's not even like I'm some huge Nick fan or Nick apologist. I just think he makes good TV. He entertains me. And I have a real life connection to him and know through people I know and trust first hand that he's a good guy. I'm so excited for his season! Far more excited to see how he finishes his lengthy franchise arch than I was for snoozer Luke or Chase. Admittedly I like the on-going soap opera nature of this show, and don't mind the recycling or repeat contestants. It's for my entertainment, that's all. Not like I'm personally "doing life" with any of these people.

AllAboutLove wrote:Nick is the same guy to me overall and no different than when I first saw him on Andi's season. I never saw him any different back then from who he is today and if anything, I see him as even more multi-dimensional.

Yes! I totally agree. :Nod: