THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - **NO SPOILERS** - Episode Discussion - *SLEUTHING* DISCUSSION #2

agentcurls wrote:

MiaHawk wrote:I rewatched all of the HTDs and am curious about the conversation that Jojo and Jordan had outside on the bench after she had met his family. She said that a part of her was still scared that Jordan would want it to be forever.

Why did she say that? Is it a vibe she gets from Jordan that his feelings may not be as deep as what she wants them to be? Did a family member say something that she interpretted to mean that Jordan may not be ready to settle down at this point in his life? Is it his lack of previous relationship experience? I think it may be all of the above. What do you all think about her comment to Jordan?

Thoughts on bench conversation: 
1) Jordan is the only one who she seems to care about what he thinks/feels at the moment where I saw more ambivalence with the others
2) this conversation was left in the edit to cast doubt upon Jordan and to possibly paint a picture of what JoJo might be feeling post-show 
3) JoJo is still not fully convinced of his authenticty.  Her gut instincts are telling her to put the brakes on trusting him fully with her heart.

Do you think a comment was made by a family member that put that thought into her head in that moment?

I watched and rewatched the scenes when she walked out of homes and said her good byes to each man.

With Luke she teared up on the bench and I saw sadness in her eyes. She knew that she was going to be letting him go. IMO

With Robby she was smiling and looked happy walking out of house, she reassured Robby about her being ok with the discussions of ex, and they were standing there embracing long enough for the rain to stop (which I admit in FL could have been one minute) and they no longer needed the umbrella, and the look in her eyes as Robby leaned into car to kiss her was a look of love and contentment. IMO

With Jordan, as they walked out of house, he says "that was the best" and without any expression on her face or emotion in her voice she replied "yeah". She makes no positive comments outside about his family. Then she comments to him on bench about worrying that he'll want her forever. Then we see PI where she says that at times when Jordan tells her ILY she wants to say ILY back, (which means she has feelings of love for him), but then she goes on to say that she stops herself from saying ILY to Jordan because when Ben told her ILY (and then picked Lauren) it hurt her so badly. I interpret that to mean that even though she is falling in love with Jordan she doesn't feel ready saying that to him because she isn't totally sure she will end up with him. She also is falling in love with Robby, per her admission to Robby's mom. So, this is proof that she is definitely feeling like she is falling in love with (at least) 2 men - Jordan and Robby. Then we hear her question whether Jordan is 'telling her everything she wants to hear', and that scares her. The whole gibe on the bench and during their good bye is kind of serious and pensive on Jojo's end. We see one more time that Jordan has to tell her that he can be trusted, because her gut instinct (and/or other intel) is telling her she may not be able to trust him to want the same goal of marriage. Very strange vibe during that whole scene. Doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about them as a couple. Don't know if that is because the editors are trying to make me doubt Jordan or because Jojo actually does doubt Jordan is the one. I wish I knew what order the HTDs were filmed.

With Chase they walk out and embrace by car. He then tells her he is falling in love with her. She reassures him that that means a great deal coming from him because she knows what that means to him. She will miss him and she doesnt want to say goodbye. To me she said similar things to Luke, but Luke's goidbye seemed sadder like it was the beginning of 'the big good bye'. Chase's good bye didnt give me that vibe. And we saw why at RC when her intention was to say the big good bye to Luke.

Not much new to work with, but finally a preview!



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So, that preview makes it official...only 3 men go on to Thailand.

Mia, I think Robby leaves!

Thanks LB! Doesn't look like they're going to give us much this week.

So you all think it's Luke right? I'm 50/50, with a comeback by either...but ooohhh would I love it to be Jordan that leaves, but if it is Luke at least she's upset about it.

Oh Jojo!! She is so heart broken. I think she will still send Luke home, or keep him until after the FS (she is lusting after him so I can understand her wanting to spend "quality time" with him.
IMO, Chase has moved up to F1 and Jordan F2. I think Robby is gone, may be not this week, but definitely after FS. I can't wait until next week, I am really enjoying Jojo and the guys.
Is it just me or Jordan doesn't seem to be deeply invested for someone who is in love. May be he is just not an emotional person I see no emotion from him at all, IA with Jojo, I can't read him either. JMO

Mia, BUT maybe Jojo would send him home?? He's gone, then comes back since we do see him with the ring.  But yeah, I see it being Luke she lets go too, not sure why she'd do that since she was wanting that I love you so badly, he says it-so she says...too late, time for me to move on. I'd think feelings would still be running deep between the two. If she did let him go after that, I can see why she's saying what's she's saying...but will it be enough for a comeback from Jo or Luke in that next week or two, here's hoping.

Also interesting your comment about Jordan's reaction to Robby Mia, we def. saw his reaction in regard to Luke pulling Jojo from the RC. He didn't like that one bit.

Mag-no, I see that also with Jordan.

Edit-Ok, watching that vid again, did she say "and he just thought I knew" that would be Luke. So it probably is Luke she sent home! I'll be crying like Jo, can't even imagine how she said goodbye to him!

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Some key SCs:
Night time in Thailand? (Tropical trees)

FRC, looking pensive? Or relieved and happy? Awaiting her F2/F1? (shoes off)-

(My own SCs)

Does anyone know if we are going to be down to F2 Monday?  We know someone goes home at beginning but do you think we will be left hanging again until the following week for her to send F3 home???  Usually by MTA  they are down to the F2. Are they headed to Thailand this week?

What is that in the background of the last cap? It looks like steps of some kind.

My thoughts/comments after watching that new preview:

1) Would love to analyze SCs of the FRC scenes - beach, steps?, red line?, sunlight.....pretty please.

2) I think she will elim Luke at start of Monday's show and she is going to elimin Chase at F3 AFTER the day portion and dinner but PRIOR to FS portion. I think VOs of 'he was having a hard time' and 'I don't know how to do this' may go with this, and her in navy dress at night are after she says good bye to Chase. Trista did this on her season, did not go to the FS with her F3 guy.