THE BACHELORETTE - SEASON 12 - JOJO FLETCHER - **NO SPOILERS** - Episode Discussion - *SLEUTHING* DISCUSSION #2

^^ moon, You KNOW that's my choice too!! He was looking so good tonight! The man can shoot too, well, I'd hope so since he WAS in the military.

Litta, did Jo's 'come to me' to Luke remind you of Tim from RFL, he used to do a similar hand gesture and say 'come here little one'.

I thought the guys all looked great tonight, loved James' slicked back look. He does seem like a sweet guy, hope he finds a sweet girl!

Once again, Jojo's face is so transparent. When Alex was spilling his heart to her, her face was screaming, NO! It wasn't a surprise when she cut him loose. She moves decisively when she knows her heart is not in it.

When she was sitting at the table with Jordan, her expression was the total opposite. She gets a little satisfied smile when she hears worlds of love from a man that she's into. Then she sort of melts. As the music swelled, my thoughts were that he could just put a ring on it then and there. Yet of the F5, Jordan is the one I don't like. I can't think of anything really wrong with him. I'm just not a fan. The only things that are really casting a shadow on him are that he still has a bit of a negative reputation in the house (there was a comment about arguments tonight,) and that he is not close to his brother Aaron. That really bothers me, and if I were Jojo, I'd want to know more about that.

Robby -- what I found really interesting is that when they were talking on the park bench, she already seemed to have a pre-existing agreement with him that he was going to hometowns. It was like they both understood that it was a foregone conclusion. Therefore it was no surprise when he got the rose. From the previews, it looks like the ex-girlfriend issue is going to keep following him around.

Chase -- I think what is going to ultimately shoot Chase down is that he is moving a bit slower in his feelings toward Jojo than the other guys. Tonight I got an F4 vibe from him.

Luke -- IMO got by far the best edit tonight. He is the complete package -- handsome, smart, well spoken, and accomplished. He looked so manly on the horse and while shooting. I kept looking at him and thinking, Jojo, what more could you want?

JT -- What a sweetheart. If it were up to me, I would have sent Jordan home and kept JT. I wouldn't entirely count him out for the next Bachelor.

Just a few comments before i read all of yours.

Luke is my overall favorite person and the only one I want to see being next Bachelor. Chase i find to morose and like him less as the season progresses.  Robbie i still find a little to cocky.   I actually felt sorryr for Jordan last night.  Always being accused of acting entitled because of who his brother is but little do they know thats very far from the truth as its a sore subject with him as Aaron doesnt seem to have a relationship with his brother or the rest of the family.  Jojo is still chasing Jordan, and cant leep her hands off of him no matter what theyre doing...couldnt even stay in her own bucket of grapes... And shes got to love the guy if she had at least 2 sips of his feet juice

ETA ... Forgot to say what I thought of JT. The way he sells out the guys to Jojo over ridiculously petty things, according to most guys, he'd be called "a bitch". He's so pathetic.

I thought maybe this week's episode would make things a little more clear for me in regards to her connection with the guys, but mostly I feel let down.  There was no 'forward movement' for me as a viewer.  TPTB try so hard to give us the smoke and mirrors routine that they seem to have completely forgotten we watch the show to see a love story evolve.  By this time in the season I usually have a feel for a couple of the guys/girls and an interested in their interaction with the lead.  I have to say the only person I am interested in is Chase, and that is purely because of my own attraction to him.  His bear hugging, swallow you whole kissing, protective, caring, thoughtful, lava cake self can sweep me off my feet any day  :hearts love:

Jordan:  She is gaga over him but his responses to her seem calculated.  The wine date was fun and showed their physical attraction.  I am not sure what the real story is behind his brother being estranged from the him and his family, but it seems a bit weird that they aired that publicly.  Possibly is was to get sympathy for Jordan and make Aaron look like the bad guy (??)  To me it screamed "Aaron, notice me!"

Robby: (or Mia )  I am keeping my eyes and opinion open to him being her F1, but I don't see an even connection with these two.  Robby is all sure of himself and that is a good quality but I don't see JoJo returning the over-the-top emotions she does when she is all in.  I see a playful interaction with these two, him taking her dare, etc....  but I am not sure that she is 100% confident that Robby can be "protector".  He seems more needy than most of the men (dad/brothers) in her life.  I think she is looking for a strong minded man and for some reason I can't get there with Robby.

Luke:  His edit to me says next Bach, JoJo talks like she is "selling" him to the american public. On paper he is everything she says she wants, and they have the chemistry but last night she asked him about leaving the small town and I don't think he was absolute on making the move to the city life.  I have to rewatch and better gauge his reaction.  I think he has a sense of humor but we are not getting to see much of it.

Chase: If he loves JoJo I will be sad when he gets his heart broken but it won't surprise me. I wonder if it's the edit or his natural, low-key demeanor that can come off strange at times on camera.  He isn't looking for a singing or acting career that I know of, so when he is disappointed or upset he tends to get quiet and interalize his feelings, instead of going in front of the camera and verbalizing it or trashing the other guys.  You could see the absolute disappointment on his face when she gave Robby the GDR, but he stayed quiet and let JT do all the talking. The outtake of him and JoJo at the end of last night episode was funny.  I felt again like there are SO MANY moments we are not being shown.

Truth be told I think good interactions with each of the F4 are on the editting floor.  JoJo seems to be a smart girl so #1 She did this season for more publicity and is looking to make a name for herself or #2 She was serious about finding love and it is so obvious who her F1 is from the start that they had to leave a bunch of scenes out as to not give the ending away too soon. Jordan getting the FIR, lots of air time, and their physical chemistry doesn't have me completely convinced he is the one.

^^Regarding the outtake: I have one of those head wands. When my husband does that to me, it is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!!!!!! So many goosebumps!

locoforbach wrote:I thought maybe this week's episode would make things a little more clear for me in regards to her connection with the guys, but mostly I feel let down.  There was no 'forward movement' for me as a viewer.  TPTB try so hard to give us the smoke and mirrors routine that they seem to have completely forgotten we watch the show to see a love story evolve.  By this time in the season I usually have a feel for a couple of the guys/girls and an interested in their interaction with the lead.  I have to say the only person I am interested in is Chase, and that is purely because of my own attraction to him.  His bear hugging, swallow you whole kissing, protective, caring, thoughtful, lava cake self can sweep me off my feet any day  :hearts love:

Jordan:  She is gaga over him but his responses to her seem calculated.  The wine date was fun and showed their physical attraction.  I am not sure what the real story is behind his brother being estranged from the him and his family, but it seems a bit weird that they aired that publicly.  Possibly is was to get sympathy for Jordan and make Aaron look like the bad guy (??)  To me it screamed "Aaron, notice me!"

Robby: (or Mia )  I am keeping my eyes and opinion open to him being her F1, but I don't see an even connection with these two.  Robby is all sure of himself and that is a good quality but I don't see JoJo returning the over-the-top emotions she does when she is all in.  I see a playful interaction with these two, him taking her dare, etc....  but I am not sure that she is 100% confident that Robby can be "protector".  He seems more needy than most of the men (dad/brothers) in her life.  I think she is looking for a strong minded man and for some reason I can't get there with Robby.

Luke:  His edit to me says next Bach, JoJo talks like she is "selling" him to the american public. On paper he is everything she says she wants, and they have the chemistry but last night she asked him about leaving the small town and I don't think he was absolute on making the move to the city life.  I have to rewatch and better gauge his reaction.  I think he has a sense of humor but we are not getting to see much of it.

Chase: If he loves JoJo I will be sad when he gets his heart broken but it won't surprise me. I wonder if it's the edit or his natural, low-key demeanor that can come off strange at times on camera.  He isn't looking for a singing or acting career that I know of, so when he is disappointed or upset he tends to get quiet and interalize his feelings, instead of going in front of the camera and verbalizing it or trashing the other guys.  You could see the absolute disappointment on his face when she gave Robby the GDR, but he stayed quiet and let JT do all the talking. The outtake of him and JoJo at the end of last night episode was funny.  I felt again like there are SO MANY moments we are not being shown.

Truth be told I think good interactions with each of the F4 are on the editting floor.  JoJo seems to be a smart girl so #1 She did this season for more publicity and is looking to make a name for herself or #2 She was serious about finding love and it is so obvious who her F1 is from the start that they had to leave a bunch of scenes out as to not give the ending away too soon. Jordan getting the FIR, lots of air time, and their physical chemistry doesn't have me completely convinced he is the one.

The show is really playing up Luke's "roots". On their 1st 1-1 date they discussed where he lives. He said he lives in Nashville and also spends a lot of time in Austin. Austin is a huge music scene. JoJo replied (paraphrasing), I like them both, this is good. His parents' place is near Austin. From what he has said in his intro and on the show, he sees the benefit of growing up in a small town, but realized it hadnt prepared him for the rest of the world. I loved his answer to her last night. I also would think that his folk's place would be a fun place to visit on the weekends and a great experience for their kids during the summer. I can also easily see him moving to Dallas. She said she was open to moving.

Im heading over to the dark side

Enjoyed being unspoiled up to this point but as i really dont care one way or the other how it turns out, Ive decided to find out how it supposedly ends right now. My prediction is that Jordan os her F1 and that Luke will be the next Bachelor. See you all later

Litta123 wrote:^^Regarding the outtake: I have one of those head wands. When my husband does that to me, it is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!!!!!! So many goosebumps!

Litta, same here!!!

Thanks for doing the SCs Litta!

Thank you both, ladies! 

Team work. Thanks @Litta123 and @Ladybug82

YW, guys!