The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - ATFR - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* #3

KB_Mom wrote:As hard as it must be in the four months or so between filming ending and finale to be limited to super secret SHVs where the couple is in seclusion and can't leave the SH, my impression from the media rounds this past week is that Ben and Lauren used that time wisely to really talk through what went on during filming, the ILYs to JoJo etc.  I have the impression Ben really "came clean" about everything, maybe Lauren was hurt, angry, upset, but they worked through it.  And for Ben to re propose at ATFR, when he now feels so "detached" from filming, and after he and Lauren really had the chance to hash out what happened on show, really brought it full circle.  They seem very much in sync, ready to move past the show drama, and go back to real life and continue building their relationship.  JMO

Good post!  I personally respect Ben more if what he felt off JoJo was genuine and I admire Lauren more for how she accepted and moved on. Either way, I see a strong couple without any of the red flags I felt about any of the final couples since Sean Cat. I expected Chris and Des to fail and learned so much about when the real relationship starts from them. BenLo remind me of them in that regard. I expect good things for them.

SarahD wrote:snip

We have not seen what Ben told her but I bet there's more to the story than we would ever know because if not, why would Lauren put up with that?

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IMO the truth that Ben had to tell to Lauren was things that he could not say before the FRC - which would have been filmed and used as part of the show. Once they were done filming he could say things that he never could have said during filming. IMO that's why he waited.

Sprite wrote:
While I agree that the producers had a lot to work with this year, I think most of it was a result of Ben and Lauren. I saw lots of emotions from them, not so much from JoJo. Yes, she liked Ben, was attracted to him, but I question just how much she was really in love with him. While I acknowledge her being manipulated and in the bubble, I also take into account that she...through her brother...knew much more how the show worked right from the start. Not to mention, that she herself...and the other women...saw the connection that Ben had with Lauren. She and they commented on it. I just can't reconcile those two things. She is not stupid. She is not going to let herself fall for a guy that she sees so obviously into someone else...no matter what he says. She knows how things work. She was always suspicious of his feelings. I just don't buy the broken hearted F2. I saw more of a woman conscious of the possibility of the next lead staring her in the face. I saw the same thing last season with Ben and Kaitlyn.

Sprite    

Nonina430 wrote:Gosh, i fully respect the last 3 posters views, I saw as others have
a different story, I saw Ben/Jo's love story. Yes Jo was hesitant
and rightly so. She saw Ben was totally smitten with Lo and
pulled back. Smart girl with the sixth sense. He liked her thought
fullness and sensuality. Let's face it without Jo we would have
been looking at 2 bowls of farina. I am so looking forward to her

season. Wish her much luck and love. 

So funny, I had farina for lunch. It was the first that I can ever remember having it since I was a small itty bitty child.

Ha ha I too started eating it again when I was blessed with
Grandchildren. Now I'm waiting for Great GC.

Wow I'm embarrassed. I had to look up what farina was. I thought it was some fancy Italian dish and it's just cream of wheat.

Glad you looked it up blu. I was just about to do that, because being Italian background, farina is flour.

Why are they eating flour?

LOL mine was cinnamon apples with walnut instant. I was really good.

I love what everyone has to say.  Many who have been on the show have commented on how brilliantly it is produced.  Figuring out what is real and what is created for the sake of a story only is why I like watching. I loved this season because I think we saw a real love story between Ben and Lauren. First Ben actually chased after Lauren and I don't remember seeing that shown so blatantly before. Giving her the picture the night of the 2nd cocktail party and evidently a first kiss was the first step in trying to alleviate Lauren's skepticism. I also think Lauren's htd sealed the deal for her being F1. Knowing that Lauren was filmed last helps explain why Ben was so emotional. Ben showed how stressful the process was for him and the producers allowed us to see his tears of relief that there would be a girl he could propose to in the end.  Did Ben enjoy his times with JoJo? - definitely.   Did Ben see JoJo a someone he could propose to?  After the htd he had to have concerns.  
So after htds Ben's mind is made up and there are still two more shows to film. Ben made it through the FD week, because it was not that hard for him to express feelings for JoJo for the sake of the show. The hard part came for him during the last week when he had to let JoJo go.  Ben is such a nice guy, he doesn't want to hurt people.
I wish we had gotten to see the loving fun parts of Ben and Lauren's last date - thank you Ben for today's pic. I think JoJo was able to tell from Lauren's comments at the FD rose ceremony that she was not the only one. And imo Ben did not need to tell Lauren about JoJo because she was always the one - what happened with JoJo was for the sake of the show.

I have to think he told JoJo that he was also in love with Lauren, to give her a heads up. He was dreading the hurt he was going to inflict, and I think by telling her that, gave her confirmation as to what she and others saw all season long.

That's why I thought blindside cannot be claimed simply because of the very premise of the show and he actually told Jojo the ILY he dropped was meaningless.

Mgrissom wrote:I love what everyone has to say.  Many who have been on the show have commented on how brilliantly it is produced.  Figuring out what is real and what is created for the sake of a story only is why I like watching. I loved this season because I think we saw a real love story between Ben and Lauren. First Ben actually chased after Lauren and I don't remember seeing that shown so blatantly before. Giving her the picture the night of the 2nd cocktail party and evidently a first kiss was the first step in trying to alleviate Lauren's skepticism. I also think Lauren's htd sealed the deal for her being F1. Knowing that Lauren was filmed last helps explain why Ben was so emotional. Ben showed how stressful the process was for him and the producers allowed us to see his tears of relief that there would be a girl he could propose to in the end.  Did Ben enjoy his times with JoJo? - definitely.   Did Ben see JoJo a someone he could propose to?  After the htd he had to have concerns.  
So after htds Ben's mind is made up and there are still two more shows to film. Ben made it through the FD week, because it was not that hard for him to express feelings for JoJo for the sake of the show. The hard part came for him during the last week when he had to let JoJo go.  Ben is such a nice guy, he doesn't want to hurt people.
I wish we had gotten to see the loving fun parts of Ben and Lauren's last date - thank you Ben for today's pic. I think JoJo was able to tell from Lauren's comments at the FD rose ceremony that she was not the only one. And imo Ben did not need to tell Lauren about JoJo because she was always the one - what happened with JoJo was for the sake of the show.

ITA. The last two dates were her part of her storyboard/audition for the ette role!