The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 9 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

avacaroline wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:Before this gets out of hand with information that isn't correct, Ash2214 provided IMO the correct explanation. One may say he forgot, however that's not what was actually quoted.

"He just got to the point where he felt that emotion with two women," Harrison said, explaining that Higgins wasn't actually aware that he had told two different women he loves them until the producers pulled him aside to talk about it after the fact.

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Still, even if it is the bachelor bubble, how can someone be unaware that they have told two different people that they love them?  This is so odd to me.  The first couple of times you say "I love you" to someone, it's pretty purposeful and intentional.  I can't help but think that one of these "I love you's" was said with different meaning behind... in a different context....something other than that of expressing a true deep love.

Get me in a bubble, exhausted and a couple drinks in me and I will probably say things I don't remember. Or not until I am reminded.

What I find interesting is the fact it appears they flipped the date order from filming so we will see it say it to Lauren first then JoJo but was filmed opposite.

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avacaroline wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:Before this gets out of hand with information that isn't correct, Ash2214 provided IMO the correct explanation. One may say he forgot, however that's not what was actually quoted.



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Still, even if it is the bachelor bubble, how can someone be unaware that they have told two different people that they love them?  This is so odd to me.  The first couple of times you say "I love you" to someone, it's pretty purposeful and intentional.  I can't help but think that one of these "I love you's" was said with different meaning behind... in a different context....something other than that of expressing a true deep love.

Get me in a bubble, exhausted and a couple drinks in me and I will probably say things I don't remember.  Or not until I am reminded.

What I find interesting is the fact it appears they flipped the date order from filming so we will see it say it to Lauren first then JoJo but was filmed opposite.

That flip is going to really mess with everyone's heads. Ben handed his "obstacle" with Lauren over to TPTB on a giant silver platter.

The general audience has no clue about changing the order from actual filming to how it is edited and the order of things .. And Ben didn't hand totb anything .. They control the goings on anyways

mindless wrote:I don't really get his worry though. They weren't supportive because they figured he's not that into her, since he was giving some strange political answers about expecting to have lots of good conversations with her (say what?). If he was to propose then I don't see why they'd still be thinking he's not into her. Ben just needs everyone to love him. I bet he falls for JoJo just to prove the brothers wrong (in his mind).  

ITA with this.  I actually think that Ben's HT visit with JoJo will make him try even harder to win JoJo over. Ben does not like to not be liked.  Perhaps this is why he likes the word like so much.   It would not surprise me if Ben chose JoJo but it also won't surprise me if he chooses Lauren.  I believe the stories that have been written about the FS dates and I think Ben's actions made all the women feel more secure and think they might be the One.  I also believe Ben was truly conflicted on his final decision.  The real relationship with whomever ends up the F1 and Ben will really be determined by what happens between the two of them after the cameras stopped filming and particularly after the airing of ATFR.  Real life is always the real determination of success or failure for all of these Franchise couples.

JMO

Jeepers wrote:The general audience has no clue about changing the order from actual filming to how it is edited and the order of things .. And Ben didn't hand totb anything .. They control the goings on anyways

I'm making the assumption that he said "I love you to JoJo". They couldn't have predicted that. In my opinion, this gave them the ability to show more of the love story between Lauren and Ben, because we now have a conflict for them to overcome.

avacaroline wrote:

Jeepers wrote:The general audience has no clue about changing the order from actual filming to how it is edited and the order of things .. And Ben didn't hand totb anything .. They control the goings on anyways

I'm making the assumption that he said "I love you to JoJo".  They couldn't have predicted that.  In my opinion, this gave them the ability to show more of the love story between Lauren and Ben, because we now have a conflict for them to overcome.

Yes my comment started with my assumption he said I love you to his F2 on their FD.

If true in real life he said it to JoJo first then Lauren, but they will show it as him saying it to Lauren before JoJo. All manufactured drama/doubt.

jcrbil wrote:Okay... so I just looked at the preview of B and JoJo's FD- the whole "support of the family" thing is setting up the phone call- which IMO is totally unrelated to what's really going on- but in the context of the show, what they want viewers to believe, I think tptb will play up that just to make the phone call seem super dramatic in previews.  Who knows how they'll set it up in the finale.

sorry what phone call?

The phone call at FRC- previewed.

wait I'm a bit confused on what you think the phone call is for then. so you think its jojob and he is calling her brothers?

^^^No, I don't. But I wouldn't put it past tptb to try to make the audience think that Ben's calling the family.

Which would only happen if JoJo was F1

But I do bet he calls family...

Actually .. He is calling CH .. Cuz he forgot the ring :bigsmile:

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