The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 9 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Tiggerlgh wrote:I think Lauren gets the first two ILYs we saw the I have known for a while I am in love with you (I think appears sweet) as well as the next morning "I do love you" Which could have been part of the goodbye and a reminder he loves her especially if she was showing doubt.  I think the third one when we only see his face and not clothes is to JoJo (also sweet).

IMHO he lets Calia go in the green shirt we see him crying in but never says I love you to her.

All IMHO.

I agree. There's just no way IMO that Caila got an I love you. The press release ended with Ben having two girls left that he's "madly in love with." It is interesting that it looks like both Lauren and JoJo got a seemingly genuine and sweet "I love you." I don't doubt that he picks Lauren, but it looks like it will be crazy to watch the finale.

I think GA should get royalties for coining the Besnick term. This one might find it's way into the urban dictionary like the Mesnick did .
Good thing we're just working on a 3/4 and not the full Mesnick. What a tug of war this might end up being.

It could end up being 50% or less if we are going by the actual footage vs CM's description. He exaggerates.

Since JoJo has been talking about her ex which explained his presence on htd (obviously producer driven since dates are planned) to show that she'd over him to Ben. Ben is alright with the htd fiasco and JoJo is now confident moving forward.

Kashathediva wrote:It could end up being 50% or less if we are going by the actual footage vs CM's description. He exaggerates.

I obviously missed your explanation about CM for Chris Harrison what does it mean?

Chris Manson, long lost cousin twice removed from Charles Manson. Both have vapid, blind cult followings willing to do anything asked of them.

Crazylady29 wrote:

bilolo wrote:

nutty1 wrote:If he says ILY to Caila and sends her home, then ILY to Lauren and not Jojo, wouldn't that be a total give away that Lolo is the F1? To the average viewer, I mean.

No they'll be like wait maybe he'll send Lauren home then because he told her ILY too.
So the one who didn't get the ILY will be the choosen one.

so you think its jojo?

I was just going by logic from the original post
But i think he said it to Jojo because it does make sense

tennischick80 wrote:

Tiggerlgh wrote:I think Lauren gets the first two ILYs we saw the I have known for a while I am in love with you (I think appears sweet) as well as the next morning "I do love you" Which could have been part of the goodbye and a reminder he loves her especially if she was showing doubt.  I think the third one when we only see his face and not clothes is to JoJo (also sweet).

IMHO he lets Calia go in the green shirt we see him crying in but never says I love you to her.


All IMHO.

I can totally see this happening. I think the "I love you" slip to Jojo was more out of lust, passion (why he didn't remember he said it) than logic and reason which is what is going to bite him (for a commercial break at least) in the end (but not really, because he still gets the girl).

That's the think with this whole I love you deal.  How could he not remember that he said I love you to someone.  I would be so insulted if I was the recipient.  Geez.

iamreal2u wrote:

tennischick80 wrote:

Tiggerlgh wrote:I think Lauren gets the first two ILYs we saw the I have known for a while I am in love with you (I think appears sweet) as well as the next morning "I do love you" Which could have been part of the goodbye and a reminder he loves her especially if she was showing doubt.  I think the third one when we only see his face and not clothes is to JoJo (also sweet).

IMHO he lets Calia go in the green shirt we see him crying in but never says I love you to her.


All IMHO.

I can totally see this happening. I think the "I love you" slip to Jojo was more out of lust, passion (why he didn't remember he said it) than logic and reason which is what is going to bite him (for a commercial break at least) in the end (but not really, because he still gets the girl).

That's the think with this whole I love you deal.  How could he not remember that he said I love you to someone.  I would be so insulted if I was the recipient.  Geez.

Wait, I'm confused. Is this something that Ben said? Or is this referring to what CH was saying about how Ben didn't even realize he said it to two girls? I thought CH was simply saying that he kept each relationship separate and focused just on the person he was with, so he didn't really understand the predicament he put himself in by saying it to two girls because he was so deeply involved with the both of them, not because he simply just didn't remember who he said it to. IMO

Ash2214 wrote:

iamreal2u wrote:

tennischick80 wrote:


I can totally see this happening. I think the "I love you" slip to Jojo was more out of lust, passion (why he didn't remember he said it) than logic and reason which is what is going to bite him (for a commercial break at least) in the end (but not really, because he still gets the girl).

That's the think with this whole I love you deal.  How could he not remember that he said I love you to someone.  I would be so insulted if I was the recipient.  Geez.

Wait, I'm confused. Is this something that Ben said? Or is this referring to what CH was saying about how Ben didn't even realize he said it to two girls? I thought CH was simply saying that he kept each relationship separate and focused just on the person he was with, so he didn't really understand the predicament he put himself in by saying it to two girls because he was so deeply involved with the both of them, not because he simply just didn't remember who he said it to. IMO

Yes, from CH's quote. I could see it from your perspective as well, Ash.

Before this gets out of hand with information that isn't correct, Ash2214 provided IMO the correct explanation. One may say he forgot, however that's not what was actually quoted.

"He just got to the point where he felt that emotion with two women," Harrison said, explaining that Higgins wasn't actually aware that he had told two different women he loves them until the producers pulled him aside to talk about it after the fact.

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GuardianAngel wrote:Before this gets out of hand with information that isn't correct, Ash2214 provided IMO the correct explanation. One may say he forgot, however that's not what was actually quoted.

"He just got to the point where he felt that emotion with two women," Harrison said, explaining that Higgins wasn't actually aware that he had told two different women he loves them until the producers pulled him aside to talk about it after the fact.

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Still, even if it is the bachelor bubble, how can someone be unaware that they have told two different people that they love them? This is so odd to me. The first couple of times you say "I love you" to someone, it's pretty purposeful and intentional. I can't help but think that one of these "I love you's" was said with different meaning behind... in a different context....something other than that of expressing a true deep love.