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Post by mindless Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:03 am

These are the rooms:

JoJo's room (based on contemplation clip on the ABC press site): Riviera Honeymoon Beachfront One Bedroom Butler Suite - HP1

JoJo's FS: Butler Village Honeymoon Romeo & Juliet Sanctuary One Bedroom Villa Suite with Private Pool - RJ

Lauren's room (based on contemplation vid): Butler Village One Bedroom Poolside Villa Estate Suite - G1

All at: http://www.sandals.com/main/ochorios/or-accommodations/

Lauren's FS: Villa Plantana - VR at http://www.sandals.com/main/plantation/rp-accommodations/
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Post by michelle1 Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:07 am

casjacknick wrote:So I just watched it AGAIN and Ben doesn't seem that drunk to me. Lauren seems a little tipsy when she tells him he's the man of her dreams and Ben's blinking reaction seems odd. Maybe he thought she was going to say ily then? Or maybe he's just really listening to her, or maybe that's not his reaction to her and that's his reaction to something someone else said. Ugh. I don't know. I don't like this new ily. He sounds really sincere.

I know your so right....did you notice when lauren says this nights what ive been waiting for sounds as if shes pissed? or am i reading too much into it

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Post by casjacknick Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:08 am

michelle1 wrote:
casjacknick wrote:So I just watched it AGAIN and Ben doesn't seem that drunk to me. Lauren seems a little tipsy when she tells him he's the man of her dreams and Ben's blinking reaction seems odd. Maybe he thought she was going to say ily then? Or maybe he's just really listening to her, or maybe that's not his reaction to her and that's his reaction to something someone else said. Ugh. I don't know. I don't like this new ily. He sounds really sincere.

I know your so right....did you notice when lauren says this nights what ive been waiting for sounds as if shes pissed? or am i reading too much into it

I don't know but you've just convinced me to watch it. Again. Be back with my thoughts
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Post by Guest Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:09 am

Listen to this clip towards the end of the vid before it goes slo-mo. Ben says, I have no clue what just happened . I don't know what I did. Perhaps referring to the two girl ily? Oh, Benny boy, what mess did you get yourself into!

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Post by casjacknick Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:14 am

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michelle1 wrote:
casjacknick wrote:So I just watched it AGAIN and Ben doesn't seem that drunk to me. Lauren seems a little tipsy when she tells him he's the man of her dreams and Ben's blinking reaction seems odd. Maybe he thought she was going to say ily then? Or maybe he's just really listening to her, or maybe that's not his reaction to her and that's his reaction to something someone else said. Ugh. I don't know. I don't like this new ily. He sounds really sincere.

I know your so right....did you notice when lauren says this nights what ive been waiting for sounds as if shes pissed? or am i reading too much into it

I don't know but you've just convinced me to watch it. Again. Be back with my thoughts

So I'm not sure when Lauren says "this is the night I've been waiting for" that she sounds pissed but scared or unsure in the very least. Is she talking to him? I mean who else is there, right? She certainly doesn't sound as happy as Jojo with her "Feels so good" comment. She seems happy and also tipsy? Are they all drunk?!
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Post by casjacknick Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:17 am

ForeverLove wrote:Listen to this clip towards the end of the vid before it goes slo-mo. Ben says, I have no clue what just happened . I don't know what I did. Perhaps referring to the two girl ily? Oh, Benny boy, what mess did you get yourself into!

Hmmm it is odd. The sound quality changes and I don't think we've heard him say that yet. However, he could have and they just cut it. I am worried for him that he's made a big old mess. Hopefully it's all just in the editing and it won't be as bad as I feel it might be. There was once this interview with Des and Chris in which Chris says he never watched the Brooks footage. Whoever is Ben's final 1, if they are still together, should not watch the next two episodes. In my ever humble opinion
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Post by michelle1 Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:23 am

casjacknick wrote:
michelle1 wrote:
casjacknick wrote:So I just watched it AGAIN and Ben doesn't seem that drunk to me. Lauren seems a little tipsy when she tells him he's the man of her dreams and Ben's blinking reaction seems odd. Maybe he thought she was going to say ily then? Or maybe he's just really listening to her, or maybe that's not his reaction to her and that's his reaction to something someone else said. Ugh. I don't know. I don't like this new ily. He sounds really sincere.

I know your so right....did you notice when lauren says this nights what ive been waiting for sounds as if shes pissed? or am i reading too much into it

I don't know but you've just convinced me to watch it. Again. Be back with my thoughts

Honestly i think shes gonna be scared when she tells him cause thats how they are playing it to be right now cause shes held it in for long, but i think it just makes it thatmore genuine. But i just got a vibe thats seems like she says is this the night ive been waiting for? ...idk maybe ben didnt give her a good reaction at first and her eyes are also teary....

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Post by KB_Mom Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:25 am

Not sure what if any significance it has, but in first ILY in eonline vid, there's a change in the inflection in Ben's voice: "I love you.

Maybe after his goof up with saying ILY to 2nd woman (who I think is JoJo), he tells Lauren what he did, and emphasizes to Lauren "I love you.???


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Post by grace8136 Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:35 am

ForeverLove wrote:
Eagle Eye wrote:
avacaroline wrote:

Oh Ben.....  That was my first thought!  He looks a little sloppy to me!  And, that would totally explain CH's little quip about not him even realizing he had said it until they told him!

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Honestly, I think this is exactly what happened. We know that the "I've known that I'm in love with you for a while, as well" is to Lauren, yes? Is that the one with the blonde hair in the corner? I'm getting all confused. Anyways, that looks like the grey collared shirt he's wearing at their FD dinner. And then the "I do love you" is definitely to her also -- navy blue v-neck t-shirt that he's wearing the morning after the FD. Both of those ILYs were completely intentional. So if CH said one of the ILYs just slipped out without Ben even realizing it, then by the process of elimination it has to have been the new, possibly drunken "I love you" which is presumably to JoJo. Ack. As a Ben/Lauren fangirl I think I'm going to be cringing through this episode.

Me too! We'll need drama-mine for sure. I can see why FRC would be so crazy for him. Guess it's his journey to unravel but I don't feel like I'm on a train anymore if Jojo gets 2nd girl ily, I'll feel like I'm on a roller coaster called Punch Drunk Love.

Drunk love. giggling I also thought he seemed a little tipsy on the turtle date, but he's been looking so stressed out, so not surprising. By next week he might be drinking straight from the bottle too.

I've not been following everything. Did y'all rule out that Caila goes to his room sometime after her fantasy date? Could he have been drunk when she showed up? I guess they would have had to set the cameras up, but I was just thinking if it was sprung on him, he might have been drinking beforehand.

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Post by casjacknick Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:36 am

KB_Mom wrote:Not sure what if any significance it has, but in first ILY in eonline vid, there's a change in the inflection in Ben's voice:  "I love you.  

Maybe after his goof up with saying ILY to 2nd woman (who I think is JoJo), he tells Lauren what he did, and emphasizes to Lauren "I love you
.???  

I've actually thought a lot about this possibility simply because even though he's supposed to compartmentalize each relationship, IF he knows he loves one more and wants to propose to her he had better mention that he told another woman that he said I love you. Would this happen this episode though? I'm not so sure. It seems more like a talk to be had during the finale so we don't have all of that spoiled for us. Who knows. How do you guys do this? I'm ready to give up. I feel like I watch the same 20 second to minute and a half clips over and over. Why can't I just wait for Monday like most viewers?
Also in response to an upthread comment Lauren is teary eyed in the new promo "best night of my life" bit. For what reason? I wish I knew.


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Post by Cinn3 Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:41 am

You guys have me cracking up!! In this moment i love all of you!! Wow what a number this new video did to us...have us losing our minds. We were perfectly fine b4 because we thought we knew who he said i love you to and his inflections showed with someone it meant more...but now man im soooooo scared guys help. Im laughing and i want to cry. Im going crazy and stressed out
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Post by michelle1 Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:47 am

Cinn3 wrote:You guys have me cracking up!! In this moment i love all of you!! Wow what a number this new video did to us...have us losing our minds. We were perfectly fine b4 because we thought we knew who he said i love you to and his inflections showed with someone it meant more...but now man im soooooo scared guys help. Im laughing and i want to cry. Im going crazy and stressed out


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