The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 9 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

Jeepers wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:Ok. So we have to wait till Monday because that's when we'll know . Remember tho, one is said at his place as identified by someone here by the flowers. When he's wearing the purple t-shirt. It's said un romantically , and it's at his place. Fits Caila. I
The situation and the place. At FRC, Ben will tell Jojo that he loved her but.....not as much as Lauren . They hype here is two ily's on Monday. One just doesn't fit telling his F2. IMHO

Then it appears that the location has been identified at two different places .. And the shirt .. Isn't that the same that he had on with Lauren??  

Could be same and then maybe another . Washed and worn again? I'm really thinking that those of us here who think it's Caila are right. Words and location match. If he's gaga over Lauren, what scenario would he need to be in to talk to her in that almost stoic tone? It doesn't match. My guess , two ily's to Caila and Lolo. Jmho

I may be wrong here .. But wasn't the ILY in the navy shirt .. Same as the one where is kissing Lauren .. Was identified as being at the location of the villa where Lauren is staying .. Not at the location where he is staying .. The facial hair. Also matches

^^^They would be listing the dates in the order they will be shown. But as with HTD which were not filmed in the order shown, it is entirely possible that they were filmed in the order that has been sleuthed above.

Because they are flipping the order of dates for TV, they can't show Ben breaking up with Caila in the same clothes he was last seen in saying goodbye to Lauren. Unless they let Caila go mid episode, before JoJo's date, which they aren't going to do. Ben looks distraught in lots of shots with the green shirt- where he states "I told two people this week that I love them." I think this is where he breaks up with Caila. Both original "I love you's" are to Lauren, as proven with screen caps. The third ILY I think is likely JoJo, not conclusive, but I'm bracing myself for it.

Julie81 wrote:Yes, I also see the red mark but he's much more clean shaven in the bottom pic.

It's a good point, but, yes, he could be scruffy by the evening esp if it's late at night. Some of the men at my work come in clean shaven and have the 5 o'clock shadow, scruff by 3 p.m.

We'll see!

Jeepers wrote:I may be wrong here .. But wasn't the ILY in the navy shirt .. Same as the one where is kissing Lauren .. Was identified as being at the location of the villa where Lauren is staying .. Not at the location where he is staying .. The facial hair. Also matches

I saw it was matched as Ben's place and the flowers and all matched up? Well, we just have to wait till Monday and if one is Calia, then Jojo will not be getting and ily until FRC rejection . Only Caila and Lauren will. Jojo will leave as a "normal " F2. But Ben will express deep feeling like Mesnick. Mo

ForeverLove wrote:

Jeepers wrote:I may be wrong here .. But wasn't the ILY in the navy shirt .. Same as the one where is kissing Lauren .. Was identified as being at the location of the villa where Lauren is staying .. Not at the location where he is staying .. The facial hair. Also matches

I saw it was matched as Ben's place and the flowers and all matched up? Well, we just have to wait till Monday and if one is Calia, then Jojo will not be getting and ily until FRC rejection . Only Caila and Lauren will. Jojo will leave as a "normal " F2. But Ben will express deep feeling like Mesnick. Mo

There was a prior identification of that location a few days ago .. With very compelling specifics .. Those flowers are all over the island .. There is a bench in the sc that is a perfect match to the outside area of Lauren's bills

ForeverLove wrote:

Jeepers wrote:I may be wrong here .. But wasn't the ILY in the navy shirt .. Same as the one where is kissing Lauren .. Was identified as being at the location of the villa where Lauren is staying .. Not at the location where he is staying .. The facial hair. Also matches

I saw it was matched as Ben's place and the flowers and all matched up? Well, we just have to wait till Monday and if one is Calia, then Jojo will not be getting and ily until FRC rejection . Only Caila and Lauren will. Jojo will leave as a "normal " F2. But Ben will express deep feeling like Mesnick. Mo

Hmmm. But, wasn't there another heartfelt ILY where it doesn't show his shirt and we all thought it was Jojo's FD suite? About the cut on neck..he could have had it at Jojos' date and then Lauren's within the next two days, so its hard to base it off the cut, but GREAT catch.

It wasn't confirmed at Jojo's from what I read. If it was, someone posted here today that on the bachsnap Ben was saying to watch Monday where he says ily to SOMEBODY, maybe twice. If it was Jojo, wouldn't it be kinda cruel ? Ok, I'll be patient but there are some of us here feeling it's a little trick and that it might be Caila as the other stoic ily.

Jeepers, one of the ILY's is definitely Lauren. The questionable one is the latest they have show us, where we only see Ben's head, not even his shirt.

I know Nutty

ForeverLove wrote:It wasn't confirmed at Jojo's from what I read. If it was, someone posted here today that on the bachsnap Ben was saying to watch Monday where he says ily to SOMEBODY, maybe twice. If it was Jojo, wouldn't it be kinda cruel ? Ok, I'll be patient but there are some of us here feeling it's a little trick and that it might be Caila as the other stoic ily.

I also read that Caila surprises him looking for more time and it intimated that she might not like what he had to say...
that second ILY could be to Caila after his FD with Lauren with a heavy but interjected after... We haven't seen any night time portion of Lauren's date...I suppose he could be saying "ILY" to Lauren at night. However, if he's saying ILY twice to Lauren, won't the GA sort of feel like "Game over" before LCD? It would be weird that TPTB show us so many actual love declarations (especially when the show never lets the lead say it) to Lauren and then have a normal FRC, right? Which leads me to believe its Jojo that gets it, perpetuating his confusion (and ours) until 1 hours and 50 minutes into the Finale (when the F2's shoe steps out of the limo) and the world heaves a collective gasp in whatever way they are feeling (excitement, shock, disappointment).