The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - Episode 9 - Discussion - *Sleuthing - Spoilers*

tennischick80 wrote:

ForeverLove wrote:It wasn't confirmed at Jojo's from what I read. If it was, someone posted here today that on the bachsnap Ben was saying to watch Monday where he says ily to SOMEBODY, maybe twice. If it was Jojo, wouldn't it be kinda cruel ? Ok, I'll be patient but there are some of us here feeling it's a little trick and that it might be Caila as the other stoic ily.

I also read that Caila surprises him looking for more time and it intimated that she might not like what he had to say...
that second ILY could be to Caila after his FD with Lauren with a heavy but interjected after... We haven't seen any night time portion of Lauren's date...I suppose he could be saying "ILY" to Lauren at night. However, if he's saying ILY twice to Lauren, won't the GA sort of feel like "Game over" before LCD? It would be weird that TPTB show us so many actual love declarations (especially when the show never lets the lead say it) to Lauren and then have a normal FRC, right? Which leads me to believe its Jojo that gets it, perpetuating his confusion  (and ours) until 1 hours and 50 minutes into the Finale (when the F2's shoe steps out of the limo) and the world heaves a collective gasp in whatever way they are feeling (excitement, shock, disappointment).

What we know is he slipped on one of them. Could very well be Lauren. The mistake now could be he told the F1 and not  Jojo. There's logic in what I'm saying. The way we'll know is if he says one  ily to Caila to validate her before she leaves. That's the 2 ILY's they are hyping . It's not that he doesn't have love for Jojo, but it's not said to her face to face. Imagine telling the ily to the F1 when f2 is still there ? That's one big mistake imo

What CH says....

@NCGalBecca wrote:
Chris doing what he does best...

Host Chris Harrison on Bachelor Ben Higgins Telling 2 Women He Loves Them: That's ‘Not Something You Can Script'
It was definitely a caught-on-camera, impromptu FEELING(singular event)  and emotion," Harrison said. "I mean, honestly if he had come to me and asked my opinion I probably would have said: 'Don't do that!' But he just left himself go, in that MOMENT(singular event), which is a special, wonderful thing(singular event )."

As for the finale, which will air March 14, Harrison said "what's going to happen now is so deep and so emotional that I think it's just incredible to watch."

"You've seen how emotional Ben gets – he does pull at least a ¾ Mesnick," Harrison said. "He really narrowed it down to two women that he loves and he knows that he's going to hurt somebody and he knows that he's going to lose somebody he loves."
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I put in parenthesis the singular event CH is talking about. We know one is not so romantic and one is. The romantic one is the one CH is talking about. Never been done imo. If the one where Ben lets his emotion go is Lauren, then how do we account for Jojo being told ily?  This is IF the unromantic one goes to Caila.

When you read CH talk about the Finale, yes , Ben does feel love for Jojo. But his dilemma is saying goodbye to her . By then, he may have very well told Lauren multiple times he loves her before the Finale. Does that make sense?

Nice interpretation and dissection, Forever!

tennischick80 wrote:Nice interpretation and dissection, Forever!

You are a very good sleuther. I read your interpretations too. I'm trying to show logic and not mania ! Do you think this could be right ?

Also, and I think I've asked this before so forgive me if it has been answered, but are we just letting go of the spoiler that he says I love you to someone by a waterfall? Also we have neither read nor seen that he for certain says I love you to his final 2. So there is always a possibility that it's to Caila and Lauren. The probability is different from the possibility but no one will watch the finale if the other I love you is to Caila in a "it's been real but..." fashion. Well I guess I shouldn't say no one. Fewer people maybe?

I don't think people would stop watching if he tells Caila ily only because we knows it's not going to be a declaration of love but just a general, ily as a person.

It really wouldn't matter if that's what happened imo. It's still a first . If there's a spoiler of an ily under the waterfall , then I'm lost. If one is indeed Caila, then is it possible 3 women who get ily? But that's not hype . They only way imo, is if Caila leaves with a ily validation , and we find out one is Lauren, then the dramatic voice will now say...
Oh No! Ben did it again to a third woman.

casjacknick wrote:Also, and I think I've asked this before so forgive me if it has been answered, but are we just letting go of the spoiler that he says I love you to someone by a waterfall? Also we have neither read nor seen that he for certain says I love you to his final 2. So there is always a possibility that it's to Caila and Lauren. The probability is different from the possibility but no one will watch the finale if the other I love you is to Caila in a "it's been real but..." fashion. Well I guess I shouldn't say no one. Fewer people maybe?

Was that a spoiler? Doesn't Lauren have an LCD by a waterfall? To the BOLDED:absolutely, which brings me back to the stark reality that he loves Jojo, too, and very well could've told her on camera. But, he could just love Lauren more...

Ok. I'll rest my case. I'm just trying to reason on things. Albeit badly . We'll see.

Remember one more thing. What stays in the FS stays in the FS? Could be that "slipped" ily. If it's Jojo , then Lauren won't be getting one if the first is Caila. But, we already know Lauren DOES get one at some point .

Julie81 wrote:I don't think people would stop watching if he tells Caila ily only because we knows it's not going to be a declaration of love but just a general, ily as a person.

Right, but the idea I think, is that he says it to Caila, she leaves, so the only one left to whom he declared it was Lauren, leaving many viewers to scratch our heads to say, "What about Jojo? Why do we even need to watch the finale?...show's over- he obviously picks Lauren." But, I'm preparing for a blindside, so it is possible they leave Jojo's ILY to the LCD (if not said to her at FD, then they'll include it in the preview for LCD), which may indicate a slow burn F1 instead of "I've known I've been in love with you for a while." (to Lauren) =Hot flame...but I just can't shake the feeling that Lauren's hot flame never was extinguished in Ben's heart. I know I'm all over the map here, so forgive me. It's late and I'm sleep deprived!

tennischick80 wrote:

Julie81 wrote:I don't think people would stop watching if he tells Caila ily only because we knows it's not going to be a declaration of love but just a general, ily as a person.

Right, but the idea I think, is that he says it to Caila, she leaves, so the only one left to whom he declared it was Lauren, leaving many viewers to scratch our heads to say, "What about Jojo? Why do we even need to watch the finale?...show's over- he obviously picks Lauren." But, I'm preparing for a blindside, so it is possible they leave Jojo's ILY to the LCD (if not said to her at FD, then they'll include it in the preview for LCD), which may indicate a slow burn F1 instead of "I've known I've been in love with you for a while." (to Lauren) =Hot flame...but I just can't shake the feeling that Lauren's hot flame never was extinguished in Ben's heart. I know I'm all over the map here, so forgive me. It's late and I'm sleep deprived!

We are all sleep deprived and making less and less sense, I'm sure, because of it. I would LOVE it if his only I love you's are to Lauren and Caila and Caila's is the dismissing one. I'm just pretty sure it is not. I get what you guys are saying with the we have no proof that it is his final 2 and this could all be production manipulation of (what feels like) a dozen promos just so people will watch. I just cannot get out of my head 2 things: First, what he said to his parents. Second the "I just love someone else....more" Maybe he never says it to Jojo and he just talks about how he feels about her without ever letting her know. It just doesn't seem likely.

Just remember, we see him saying in his green t-shirt something about a mistake . He had to be told he said it. It was in the moment . It's never said he doesn't love Jojo if the slipped ily is Lauren. It's just that he goofed up. Just doing the math, if one is Caila , then the other, the oops slip has to be Lauren because there is another SC identifying her. He can still go on with his date because he does love Jojo . He just might not tell her until he lets her go . Under that scenario , it would fit the what stays in the FS won't stay and the 2ilys.