The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

sosleepy wrote:

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:Maybe Ben's 2 ILY's is his way of being able to claim he stuck to his values through the last weeks, that he'd never be intimate with someone unless he was in love with that person. Ben gets to spend the rest of his life reflecting upon his last intimate encounter before marriage and know that at least it was with someone who loved the poor unlovable guy.
Just a thought - and I've not had many thoughts around the season

Huh. Interesting thought and a good take on the situation. I do remember during Ben's Sex Ed class on Kaitlyn's season he explained to the kids "hopefully you are in love and feel and attachment to the person" or something along those lines.... So, to have sex with both, he needs to convince himself he's in love with both? Lol- maybe.

That being said, I personally think he had sex with Caila too. The break up scene where she came out of the car- to me while they never came out and said it, that's what they were dancing around- did he know she was going home before he had sex with her? His answer- "no, that wouldn't have been helpful to either of us." Go back and watch that scene- it was definitely about sex, IMO. (end quote - ?? lost it)



Ben, Ben, Ben - I agree it is likely with Caila too, but not as likely to be brought up on camera, IMO, but kind of expect sex with JoJo will be brought up ATFR. Caila must be kept unscathed and pure and head-tossy. It will be interesting to see if Ben makes some show of support for Kaitlyn after his season has aired. Maybe he'll say he understands her better.

No matter how Ben was feeling about Lauren at this stage, he kept his JoJo option open in a most brutal way. IMO, no matter how producers lead him on, he made the decision to say those words to justify his sexy time.

sosleepy wrote:

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:Maybe Ben's 2 ILY's is his way of being able to claim he stuck to his values through the last weeks, that he'd never be intimate with someone unless he was in love with that person. Ben gets to spend the rest of his life reflecting upon his last intimate encounter before marriage and know that at least it was with someone who loved the poor unlovable guy.
Just a thought - and I've not had many thoughts around the season

Huh. Interesting thought and a good take on the situation. I do remember during Ben's Sex Ed class on Kaitlyn's season he explained to the kids "hopefully you are in love and feel and attachment to the person" or something along those lines.... So, to have sex with both, he needs to convince himself he's in love with both? Lol- maybe.

That being said, I personally think he had sex with Caila too. The break up scene where she came out of the car- to me while they never came out and said it, that's what they were dancing around- did he know she was going home before he had sex with her? His answer- "no, that wouldn't have been helpful to either of us." Go back and watch that scene- it was definitely about sex, IMO.

Historically, the Bachelor Fantasy Suites have gotten a little hot and heavy. After all, it's the first time that the suitor and his potential mates can spend time away from the cameras. But newly minted Bachelor Ben Higgins insists his Fantasy Suites will be significantly more PG.

"I set boundaries for myself, especially physically and intimately" says the 26-year-old software accounts manager...

Says Higgins: "I based [the boundaries] on my Christian faith and also the fact that a lot of people are going to be watching this show and seeing a representation of dating, relationships and how a man treats a woman. I want them to get a good picture of what a healthy relationship can be."

northernviewer wrote:I've never believed that the "scripting" that the producers do, goes as far as telling a lead he has to say ILY to his final 2 girls or specific things of that nature.  I think they may try to manipulate a desired outcome, based on personalities of lead and contestants but as far as informing the parties involved, i dont buy that as, face it, theyre not actors, plain and simple, and could never pull it off.  IMO, each season is a crap shoot for tptb and they make it up as the season progresses, hoping the certain personalities cast will act as anticipated and provide them the drama they strive for.  I do agree that tptb have a plan in mind, and its the basis for their casting process, and the reason that some get chosen.... But i dont think the lead or contestants are in on it...theyre nothing more than little puppets and manipulated to do and say things without them even realizing.  

mindless wrote:

northernviewer wrote:I've never believed that the "scripting" that the producers do, goes as far as telling a lead he has to say ILY to his final 2 girls or specific things of that nature.  I think they may try to manipulate a desired outcome, based on personalities of lead and contestants but as far as informing the parties involved, i dont buy that as, face it, theyre not actors, plain and simple, and could never pull it off.  IMO, each season is a crap shoot for tptb and they make it up as the season progresses, hoping the certain personalities cast will act as anticipated and provide them the drama they strive for.  I do agree that tptb have a plan in mind, and its the basis for their casting process, and the reason that some get chosen.... But i dont think the lead or contestants are in on it...theyre nothing more than little puppets and manipulated to do and say things without them even realizing.  

I agree. If it was that scripted, seasons like Brad 1.0 and Juan Pablo would have never happened. They can't force anyone to say or do anything except be there for the duration of their contract. If Ben's really as nice of a guy as he's made to be, he wouldn't intentionally mess with someone to that extent just because the producers told him to. He may be a puppet, but surely he has a conscience.

Seabear wrote:ITA with all these last several posts.  Just liking them was not enough.  I have the same read on the emotional prodding vs scripting and on FS sexy time X 3 and multiple ILY's to both JoJo and Lauren.  I think as the FRC approached Ben got more and more emotionally conflicted and really was torn over which woman to choose.  He has said himself....that he would wake up in the night and think about it and was very confused. He looks and sounds very sleep deprived and from the previews is an emotional wreck.  I am looking forward to seeing (within the edit :/) what factors pushed him in the direction to make the final determination of his F1 vs F2 choice.

JMO

kikora wrote:Ben wrote about his intentions regarding the FS:

Historically, the Bachelor Fantasy Suites have gotten a little hot and heavy. After all, it's the first time that the suitor and his potential mates can spend time away from the cameras. But newly minted Bachelor Ben Higgins insists his Fantasy Suites will be significantly more PG.

"I set boundaries for myself, especially physically and intimately" says the 26-year-old software accounts manager...

Says Higgins: "I based [the boundaries] on my Christian faith and also the fact that a lot of people are going to be watching this show and seeing a representation of dating, relationships and how a man treats a woman. I want them to get a good picture of what a healthy relationship can be."

http://www.people.com/article/bachelor-ben-higgins-says-fantasy-suites

There's obviously no guaranteeing he stuck with that (part of the snipped referenced his FS with Kaitlyn also) but just wanted to bring this forward since he said in advance they'd be more "PG" and he had "boundaries...physically and intimately..." for the FS dates.