The Bachelor 20 - Ben Higgins - F1 to F4 - *Sleuthing - Spoilers* - #2

SarahD wrote:- Lauren has been traveling to far away places with her family. She seems to be drawing support from her fam. This is he biggest red flag for me because I find it strange that if you're the F1 coming off from the TV show and trying to make it in the real world with the guy who put you through hell and back, I would think you won't go to such places that are so far away for long periods of time without your guy.

Maybe she wanted to get away from the social media circus that came with the two ILYs episode and have the support of her family around her through that.

I wouldn't consider either of the places she vacationed far. I would say if you can go--go. JMO

Whitney went on trips last year and she was F1. IMO it doesn't mean she's F2 just because she's super close with her family and goes on trips with them

Hawaii is still part of the US so really, she stayed within the states. Mexico is a hop skip and a jump away from Cali.

Lauren going on trips with her family is a testimony of their closeness. I know some people who look to get away from their families, . She calls her siblings her best friends although she is socially balance. Her friends know her family and they all seem close. That's a positive.

Based on her IG, it looks like she'd been to Hawaii and Mexico so it's a familiar routine for her. She and her sister probably have airline perks.

Do you think we'll get a different preview after the WTA? That's one of the main reasons I'll watch WTA. That and see what Leah has to say about her lie.

So both F2 took trips since November. I don't see either as a clue, just that both are doing their normal activities.

Were Ben and Jojo in Hawaii at the same time?

tennischick80 wrote:Do you think we'll get a different preview after the WTA? That's one of the main reasons I'll watch WTA. That and see what Leah has to say about her lie.

I know Leah is one of the hooks to watch WTA. We already saw in her tweet the night it showed , it wasn't her finest hour. Hope she owns. I'm anxious to see the previews too and how they'll slice and dice it.

TPTB set up safe house visits in LA.  The cast are meant to live their real lives post filming and during the airing of the season.  All they need to adhere to is not to be seen "dating" someone else if they are late season eliminations.  Taking vacations with family or friends is part of many peoples real life.  IMO the Franchise would not sanction a Hawaiian vacation get together for any couple during the airing of the season.  In the LA area they are able manage the SH visits with ease.  Barring the cast using their snap chat.

JMO

NCGalBecca wrote:What really chaps me is that he was often turning to JoJo for counsel about the whole experience, i.e. they talked about the difficulty in having to eliminate the girls. On that pig date he asked her how to handle it and navigate the awkward situation.  Therefore, I can imagine how she could have hoped that it was a quid pro quo kind of thing, i.e. that he wouldn't hurt her unnecessarily because they'd discussed it and were confidentes, in general.

I pulled this post over from the Screencaps thread.

Jo was the counselor this season. We witness her numerous times listening to the other contestants--Caila and Joobs in episode 3, Olivia in episode 5--or giving them comfort--Lauren in episode 6, Becca and Emily in episode 7. Weirdly, for her being younger, it at times felt like Ben may have seen in Jo traits of his mom with whom he's really close. We're often drawn to people who resemble our caregivers, for better or worse.

Speaking of his mom, there was a hint left in JoJo's date where Ben wishes for "a guide" to help him sort out his love for the two women. I'm thinking that guide is either just his mom or his parents. Ben sees this decision as one that impacts his family. His mom has been featured since the premeire and then again in Warsaw. We saw her response to Emily and then Ben's subsequent dismissal. That elimination also featured reflection from JoJo that almost felt like foreshadowing: Emily thought that she was going to have a great date and receive the reassurance that she needed only to be sent home.

I'm still wading through the edit of this season and am on the fence. I'm glad that the board is really digging in to find the clues that explain the season. As for Ben, he has two very kind, beautiful, generous women as his F2. He really can't go wrong with either of them.

tennischick80 wrote:Were Ben and Jojo in Hawaii at the same time?

I think that was cleared up earlier, somewhere in here and the answer was no. Please feel free to correct me if that is wrong.